Westernesse: A Númenórean Colony Quest
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D'oh. Fixed. Added Mordor while I was at it.
Much appreciated, I spent a bunch of time working on the various Guilds and figuring out how a society of centenarian supermen would develop. The answer: like ours, but with more sneering and elitism.
And the average Numenorean warrior is perhaps a hair less strong than Turin, but they also have an extra hundred years or two to develop their skills and strengths. Imagine an island of Aragorns, except they're
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And tall.
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Nicely done.
...that's, that's obscene. Jesus. Turin was among the best of the best, and his standard is at best a tiny bit above average, more likely average to slightly below?
Man, I'm surprised Elendil didn't beat Sauron like a red headed stepchild, alone...am I missing something or is this a "weaker Age" thing?
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Sauron at his height was equal to Morgoth at his weakest — and Morgoth at his weakest still slew the greatest of the Kings of the Elves.
And in a way, yes it is. For all how the Faithful stuck to the old ways, they too had diminished in the decline of Numenor. Numenor at it's end was less than Numenor at it's height. Elendil was probably roughly equal to Aragorn in strength and will, and far outstripped him in skill, yet Sauron beat him like a redheaded stepchild because the Numenoreans had just gotten weaker and Sauron was still...Sauron.
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Oh? Some would say his weakest was at the end of the War of Wrath.
So, comparatively they were obscenely powerful as individuals, but the passing of the Ages is a bitch?
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Precisely. Aragorn and Elendil were roughly equal in strength and spirit to any of the great heroes of Men who had come before them, but the very world they lived in was lesser, which is what made them so special: they were basically throwbacks to the glory days of the First Age.
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Hmm, were the Orcs and Goblins not affected? They just seemed lesser in number.
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Orcs and things of darkness are perversions to the natural order, and thus do not follow any natural decline or growth. Any increases or decreases to their strength are equally perverse and artificial, such as the Uruk-Hai of the Third Age, who were made by breeding men and orcs.
However, the decline still affected the Shadow in general: for example, in the First Age there were great armies of dragons thousands strong, the size of small mountains. In the Third the greatest of the dragons is Smaug, who, while terrifying, is nowhere near the great dragons of the First Age.
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[X] Plan Royal Forge For the Last Alliance
[X] Plan The Sorceress of Enedwaith
[X] Plan The Sorceress of Get The Fuck Out And Save Old Lore
There would be quite a few benefits to playing as a female character.
- can produce children; if we focus some of our time to regularly having kids we'll provide an example to our people, and more Numenoreans pre-Fall is a very good idea.
- IRL women have longer average lifespans than men do, so we might live longer than our male vote. This also ties well with Shaper background, where we forge and command instead of being on the front lines directly.
[X] Plan The Sorceress of Enedwaith
[X] Plan The Sorceress of Get The Fuck Out And Save Old Lore
There would be quite a few benefits to playing as a female character.
- can produce children; if we focus some of our time to regularly having kids we'll provide an example to our people, and more Numenoreans pre-Fall is a very good idea.
- IRL women have longer average lifespans than men do, so we might live longer than our male vote. This also ties well with Shaper background, where we forge and command instead of being on the front lines directly.
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Thing about preservation is....well, simple: Sauron.
We know he is going to become chief advisor of Numenor kings relatively soon.
At that point, Faithful - and, frankly, everyone who is not doing what Sauron wants them too, which is not in interests of Middle-Earth and thus us - are becoming enemies of the state, in some form. As are those who preserve Numenorean traditions in a way non compliant to how Sauron wants them too - be it not enough slavery, not enough humans sacrificed, too much reverence for Valar, not enough hating other races, not enough burning down the forests and murdering Ents if need be, you name it.
If we are too close to the Kings, we are gonna be drawn into this mess. So if we want to preserve lores of Numenor not tainted by the Enemy, we have to distance ourselves from Kings as much as possible, and avoid their attention once Sauron starts doing his thing and corrupting Numenor and all its knowledge.
Which all culminates in, well
So, what do I propose to deal with it? Take Faithful, who are most distant from Kings and their silliness and thus least corrupt, and pick a location which is farthest from the prying eyes - Far North.
Bonus points:
1. Kings Men explicitly avoid Far North lands, and Gil Galad hangs around in those places:
2. Faithful are explicitly masters of Old Lore. Or if not masters than at least better than others at it. So if you want Old Lore, they are a good pick.
We will have little support against orcs, men of darkness and others, but we will not have random goons asking us to give their kings more slaves for sacrifice on altar of Sauron or whatever the fuck is going to go down over there.
[X] Plan The Sorceress of Get The Fuck Out And Save Old Lore
-[X] Minhiriath
-[X] The Faithful
-[X] Belenor
-[X] Female
-[X] The Shaper
-[X] Phazân, the Royal-Blooded
-[X] Sapthân, the Wise
edit: another thing about Guilds is that they are subservient to the King. Less so than Kings Men, but we will be somewhat hard-pressed to both be loyal to our Guild and not get drawn into the silliness of Late Numenor.
Besides, Venturers are flat out Eastern Trade Company expy, what with Numenor being Tolkien's jab at British Empire, and Shapers are...not much better. Faithful are, as per Telamon, also drunk on Numenorean kool-aid, but it is in form of Numenorean Man Burden more than Literally Belgian Congo.
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KnightDisciple
Brotherhood. Unity. Peace.
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So Royal Forge is getting decent support, but doesn't quite satisfy me.
Part of me wants to pick the Harnen but I feel like that would end poorly....
[X] Plan Men Can Change The Winds Of Fate
-[X] The Isen
-[X] The Faithful
-[X] Elanoth (sun-flower, Sindarin)
-[X] Male
-[X] The Shaper
-[X] Sapthân, the Wise
-[X] Izindu-bêth, the Farseeing
[X] Plan The Sorceress of Get The Fuck Out And Save Old Lore
[X] Plan The Sorceress of Ithilien
[X] Plan The Sorceress of Anfalas
[X] Plan The Sorceress of Enedwaith
Part of me wants to pick the Harnen but I feel like that would end poorly....
[X] Plan Men Can Change The Winds Of Fate
-[X] The Isen
-[X] The Faithful
-[X] Elanoth (sun-flower, Sindarin)
-[X] Male
-[X] The Shaper
-[X] Sapthân, the Wise
-[X] Izindu-bêth, the Farseeing
[X] Plan The Sorceress of Get The Fuck Out And Save Old Lore
[X] Plan The Sorceress of Ithilien
[X] Plan The Sorceress of Anfalas
[X] Plan The Sorceress of Enedwaith
Chimeraguard
We do deserve to exist.
[X] Plan The Sorceress of Get The Fuck Out And Save Old Lore
[X] Plan Missionaries
Maybe this time the formatting won't screw up my vote.
[X] Plan Missionaries
Maybe this time the formatting won't screw up my vote.
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The Harnen is basically me getting to write about Harad and Rhun and all the lands that later fell totally under Sauron's power. You'll be on the front lines of the Númenorean struggle against the Dark Lord (though you'll fight Sauron in every location). No matter your politics, your location as a stronghold against the Enemy will make you invaluable to the King's Men...but you have to fairly constantly fight Nazgûl and elephants as a tradeoff.
KnightDisciple
Brotherhood. Unity. Peace.
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Would it be at least possible to turn more of the Men of the East against Sauron if we picked it?
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Okay, that's extremely tempting if we want to preserve Old Lore but be way too irreplaceable to be assassinated or lose support of Numenor or...
But, again, it all tumbles down once Sauron is defeated and becomes Vizier of Numenor. Then we suddenly lose our importance, or big chunk of it, and are left with some issues.
OTOH Harad and Rhun.
OTOH OTOH Far North probably has cool old relics from First Age?
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Very much so, yes. The Men of the East are not inherently evil. The Haradrim, the Varaigs, the Easterlings, and all the 'Men of Darkness' only serve the Shadow because it is all they have ever known. For centuries they have been born, lived, and died all under the power of Sauron, and before him Morgoth.
The only thing separating them from the Númenoreans is that they never went west, never met the elves, and never had a chance to deny the Shadow.
In canon, the Valar eventually send the Blue Wizards into the east to free the continents under Sauron's grip, and they apparently have some success in leading rebellions and uprisings there. This is implied to be vital to the War of the Ring, as Sauron cannot simply throw continents full of his servants at Middle-earth until it is conquered.
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KnightDisciple
Brotherhood. Unity. Peace.
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I will be submitting a 2nd revised plan later, but it'll be a few hours....
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Okay, so I can bring plan two of, too, preserving some of the lore, but...uh, in a different way? Hm.
[X] Plan Missionaries
- [X] The Harnen
- [X] The Faithful
- [X] Elthalion (strong-star, Sindarin)
- [X] Female
- [X] The Battler
- [X] Phazân, the Royal-Blooded
- [X] Sapthân, the Wise
So, this plan is thus about going to Harad to teach them about Valar and shit (the Wise), while being all Tall, Wise and Strong like royals are.
And beat some shit out of Nazghuls in the process, hence Battler.
[X] Plan The Sorceress of Get The Fuck Out And Save Old Lore
-[X] Minhiriath
-[X] The Faithful
-[X] Belenor
-[X] Female
-[X] The Shaper
-[X] Phazân, the Royal-Blooded
-[X] Sapthân, the Wise
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
I went ahead and edited this vote into my vote, because I agree with you on it being a potentially good way to go about slipping the King's leash, though it does mean saving less of the lore.Thing about preservation is....well, simple: Sauron.
We know he is going to become chief advisor of Numenor kings relatively soon.
At that point, Faithful - and, frankly, everyone who is not doing what Sauron wants them too, which is not in interests of Middle-Earth and thus us - are becoming enemies of the state, in some form. As are those who preserve Numenorean traditions in a way non compliant to how Sauron wants them too - be it not enough slavery, not enough humans sacrificed, too much reverence for Valar, not enough hating other races, not enough burning down the forests and murdering Ents if need be, you name it.
If we are too close to the Kings, we are gonna be drawn into this mess. So if we want to preserve lores of Numenor not tainted by the Enemy, we have to distance ourselves from Kings as much as possible, and avoid their attention once Sauron starts doing his thing and corrupting Numenor and all its knowledge.
Which all culminates in, well
So, what do I propose to deal with it? Take Faithful, who are most distant from Kings and their silliness and thus least corrupt, and pick a location which is farthest from the prying eyes - Far North.
Bonus points:
1. Kings Men explicitly avoid Far North lands, and Gil Galad hangs around in those places:
2. Faithful are explicitly masters of Old Lore. Or if not masters than at least better than others at it. So if you want Old Lore, they are a good pick.
We will have little support against orcs, men of darkness and others, but we will not have random goons asking us to give their kings more slaves for sacrifice on altar of Sauron or whatever the fuck is going to go down over there.
[X] Plan The Sorceress of Get The Fuck Out And Save Old Lore
-[X] Minhiriath
-[X] The Faithful
-[X] Belenor
-[X] Female
-[X] The Shaper
-[X] Phazân, the Royal-Blooded
-[X] Sapthân, the Wise
edit: another thing about Guilds is that they are subservient to the King. Less so than Kings Men, but we will be somewhat hard-pressed to both be loyal to our Guild and not get drawn into the silliness of Late Numenor.
Besides, Venturers are flat out Eastern Trade Company expy, what with Numenor being Tolkien's jab at British Empire, and Shapers are...not much better. Faithful are, as per Telamon, also drunk on Numenorean kool-aid, but it is in form of Numenorean Man Burden more than Literally Belgian Congo.
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Clearly, the situation to this whole 'Sauron problem' is to choose Miyâtan, keep the fact that we have a twin secret and have one twin act as a king's man and the other as one of the faithful during meetings in a complex scheme that I can only assume will involve a hotel organized like a library.
This is totally a plan that will not end in fire.
This is totally a plan that will not end in fire.
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I'm 100% down to write A Series of Unfortunate Númenorean Events.