The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Angelform · Mar 22, 2019

Doomed Wombat said:
Never in a million years. Not hyperbole given how long the PM's been doing this, but that doesn't mean we won't have things not avernus for him to do.

Except that there are other biologists in the Trust who do not have access to Avernus and thus do not have a million year backlog of Old One lab results to go through. Niflheim knows a thing or three about genetic tinkering. Either use Diplomacy or at the next High Council meeting ask them to do it.

Adventwolf said:
The knowledge gained from studying and improving the Thunder Warriors is also very useful. Not only would it make Maximal a better positioned member of the Mechanicus it is likely to help push him to the next rank the one Thranth had before he got his promotion to living saint equivalent. Also studying and learning to improve on a process would also make Maximal more of a scientist as well if one more spected towards biology instead of general science.

That argument would hold more weight if our biologists didn't die with such frequency. I have no confidence he would survive long enough to reap the benefits of spending a century on this one project.

Void Stalker · Mar 22, 2019

[ ] Plan No Promethium To Midgard
Muspelheim
Sell 1,860 Units of Promethium for 12,090 CR 148.8 Cargo Used (149)
Buy 4,029 Cargo for 12,087 CR (3,880 left)
Reduce debt by 3 CR

Midgard
Sell 50,000 Units of Metal for 290,000 CR 4,000 Cargo Used
Buy 87,878 Units of Thrones for 289.997.4 CR
Increase debt owed to us by 2

Promethium Sold: 1,860,000,000 per year
Metal Sold: 50,000,000,000 per year
Thrones Acquired: 79,090,200,000 per year (395,451,000,000 per turn).

[ ] Plan Some Promethium To Midgard
Muspelheim 166.8 Cargo Used (167)
Sell 2,085 Units of Promethium for 13,552 CR 166.8 Cargo Used (167)
Buy 4,516 Cargo for 13,548 CR (4,349 left)
Reduce debt by 4 CR

Midgard 4,468.96 Cargo Used (4,469)
Sell 50,000 Units of Metal for 290,000 CR 4,000 Cargo Used
Sell 5,862 Units of Promethium for 38,103 CR 468.96 Cargo Used
Buy 99,425 Units of Thrones for 328.102.5 CR
Increase debt owed to us by .5 CR

Promethium Sold: 7,947,000,000 per year
Metal Sold: 50,000,000,000 per year
Thrones Acquired: 89,482,500,000 per year (447,412,500,000 per turn).

[ ] Plan Max Promethium To Midgard
Muspelheim 179.52 Cargo Used (180)
Sell 2,244 Units of Promethium for 14,586 CR 179.52 Cargo Used (180)
Buy 4,860 Cargo for 14,580 CR (4,349 left)
Reduce debt by 6 CR

Midgard 4,800 Cargo Used
Sell 50,000 Units of Metal for 290,000 CR 4,000 Cargo Used
Sell 10,000 Units of Promethium for 65,000 CR 800 Cargo Used
Buy 107,575 Units of Thrones for 354.997.5 CR
Increase debt owed to us by 2.5 CR

Cargo Used: 4800 + 180 = 4980
Cargo Available: 120 +4860 = 4980

Promethium Sold: 12,244,000,000 per year
Metal Sold: 50,000,000,000 per year
Thrones Acquired: 96,817,500,000 per year (484,087,500,000 per turn).

[ ] Plan 100 Billion Thrones
Muspelheim 179.52 Cargo Used (180)
Sell 2,244 Units of Promethium for 14,586 CR 179.52 Cargo Used (180)
Buy 4,860 Cargo for 14,580 CR (4,349 left)
Reduce debt by 6 CR

Midgard 4,800 Cargo Used
Sell 50,000 Units of Metal for 290,000 CR 4,000 Cargo Used
Sell 10,000 Units of Promethium for 65,000 CR 800 Cargo Used
Buy 111,112 Units of Thrones for 366.669.6 CR
Owe Midgard 5,308.2 CR

Cargo Used: 4800 + 180 = 4980
Cargo Available: 120 +4860 = 4980

Promethium Sold: 12,244,000,000 per year
Metal Sold: 50,000,000,000 per year
Thrones Acquired: 100,000,800,000 per year (500,004,000,000 per turn).

Okay here are 3 different trade plans. The first two are about trade without increasing our debt and leaving us with some promethium income.
First plan sells no promethium to Midgard and keeps a healthy per turn income. The second sells some based on having a net 0 promethium income after last expenditures for new actions based on the turn that just finished. The third is to grab 100 billion a year after levy and requires us to go into debt with Midgard as it maxes metal and promethium income. We have a small positive net promethium income on turn starts but action costs will push us negative each turn until the next council meeting when we redo all trade again.

Edit-
Added a 4th plan that sends the max promethium and metal to Midgard but does not put us in debt buying thrones instead only buying trade value. It will see us decrease our promethium reserves but is about 37 billion more thrones a turn by maxing promethium trade, and only 16 billion thrones per turn less then the debt plan.

Adhoc vote count started by Void Stalker on Mar 22, 2019 at 11:27 PM

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TotallyNotEvil · Mar 22, 2019

Adventwolf said:
These are Knight Titans only. The Psi Throne is for Knights not for full Titans sine the Psi-Titans aren't piloted by Psykers instead they are powered by Psykers strapped in as batteries.

Which are highly fucking illegal.

Or, well, they used to be.

Considering it's Avernus, and bleeding-edge psychic research is our bread and butter, and we have tons of DAoT tech, I think we can do better than the old "damned-psyker brain plugged into the engine while a blank pilots it and fires waves of hate" model.

Wasn't "every soldier a minor psyker channeling a shield throug his rune-inscribed set of power-armor while firing rune-inscribed weapons of terrible power" one of our endgame goals?

Void Stalker · Mar 22, 2019

[X] Plan Some Promethium To Midgard

This is my preference currently, as it prevents us from reducing our promethium reserves too much before the next council meeting where we redo trade while also getting us a lot of throne income and keeping some Midgard credits on hand to trade at the next trade session to reduce our debts to other planets.

Adhoc vote count started by Void Stalker on Mar 22, 2019 at 11:29 PM, finished with 121624 posts and 1 votes.

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[X] Plan Some Promethium To Midgard
- Void Stalker

Adventwolf · Mar 22, 2019

Angelform said:
That argument would hold more weight if our biologists didn't die with such frequency. I have no confidence he would survive long enough to reap the benefits of spending a century on this one project.

Considering that Maximal has outlived every other one by over a century and has become one of the best fighters says you are wrong. He also found the thing that kept killing most of our old ones.

Dragon_352 · Mar 22, 2019

do we know if our psi-throne will be tortorous for the psykers hooked up to it like the lore given by the wiki says the original was?

Adventwolf · Mar 22, 2019

Tom Smith said:
do we know if our psi-throne will be tortorous for the psykers hooked up to it like the lore given by the wiki says the original was?

The Psi trone is to control the Knight. The things used for Titan is not a Psi Throne it is a regular throne using a blank as a pilot and the psykers are just the power source.

Nurgle · Mar 22, 2019

[X] Plan Some Promethium To Midgard
Muspelheim 166.8 Cargo Used (167)
Sell 2,085 Units of Promethium for 13,552 CR 166.8 Cargo Used (167)
Buy 4,516 Cargo for 13,548 CR (4,349 left)
Reduce debt by 4 CR

Midgard 4,468.96 Cargo Used (4,469)
Sell 50,000 Units of Metal for 290,000 CR 4,000 Cargo Used
Sell 5,862 Units of Promethium for 38,103 CR 468.96 Cargo Used
Buy 99,425 Units of Thrones for 328.102.5 CR
Increase debt owed to us by .5 CR

Promethium Sold: 7,947,000,000 per year
Metal Sold: 50,000,000,000 per year
Thrones Acquired: 89,482,500,000 per year (447,412,500,000 per turn).

this plan makes the most sense and does not go into debt.
SO VOTE PEOPLE VOTE!

Adventwolf · Mar 22, 2019

[X] Plan Some Promethium To Midgard

get us that money

huntsman0697 · Mar 22, 2019

[X] Plan Some Promethium To Midgard

Thule · Mar 22, 2019

[X] Plan Some Promethium To Midgard

Andres · Mar 23, 2019

Nurgle said:
Midgard 4,468.96 Cargo Used (4,469)
Sell 50,000 Units of Metal for 290,000 CR 4,000 Cargo Used
Sell 5,862 Units of Promethium for 38,103 CR 468.96 Cargo Used
Buy 99,425 Units of Thrones for 328.102.5 CR
Increase debt owed to us by .5 CR

Why not spend all of their debt with us for maximum Thrones? Seriously, this pattern where we buy insufficient Thrones so that we're forced to spend an action getting more later is dumb. We should just get all the resources we need right now so that we save an action.

Nurgle · Mar 23, 2019

Andres110 said:
Why not spend all of their debt with us for maximum Thrones? Seriously, this pattern where we buy insufficient Thrones so that we're forced to spend an action getting more later is dumb. We should just get all the resources we need right now so that we save an action.

Void stalker came up with the plan but that is per year for 497,125 a turn. Which makes a lot of the things we want available.

Andres · Mar 23, 2019

Nurgle said:
Void stalker came up with the plan but that is per year for 497,125 a turn. Which makes a lot of the things we want available.

I will say again, this is a pattern. Each time we buy enough resources to "make the things we want available", but then we get to a point where those resources aren't enough, and we have to spend an action to get those extra resources we thought we wouldn't need. Continuing this pattern is a bad thing, while ending it would be a good thing, so we should get MORE resources than what we think we need.

Nurgle · Mar 23, 2019

Andres110 said:
I will say again, this is a pattern. Each time we buy enough resources to "make the things we want available", but then we get to a point where those resources aren't enough, and we have to spend an action to get those extra resources we thought we wouldn't need. Continuing this pattern is a bad thing, while ending it would be a good thing, so we should get MORE resources than what we think we need.

Ok maybe I did the math wrong but that is 497 billion 125 million thrones a turns. Which is 9 times our current intake.

Andres · Mar 23, 2019

Nurgle said:
Ok maybe I did the math wrong but that is 497 billion 125 million thrones a turns. Which is 9 times our current intake.

That's great, but let's get more just in case we quinquagintuple our economy and expenditure again.

Nurgle · Mar 23, 2019

Andres110 said:
That's great, but let's get more just in case we multiply our economy and expenditure fiftyfold again.

Well there are other plans that Void Stalker made that get us more, but we go into debt. So you can vote for one of those if you like.

random_npc · Mar 23, 2019

Durin said:
Complete
Year five d100=100+26(Intrigue)+5(traits)+20(double down)=151: Greater Critical Success

Wait a second, isn't a nat 100 is supposed to be a natural or perfect crit or something? Does it being a greater crit mean there was a hidden modifier?

Andres · Mar 23, 2019

random_npc said:
Wait a second, isn't a nat 100 is supposed to be a natural or perfect crit or something? Does it being a greater crit mean there was a hidden modifier?

Durin said:
A: for a critical either it must be a nat 100 or both over a hundred and seventy-five above the target, for a greater crit it must be either all of the above or both over a hundred and a hundred and twenty-five above the target, or a perfect crit it must be either all of the above or both over a hundred and two hundred above the target,

guyfromtheplace1 · Mar 23, 2019

Nurgle said:
We should just warn everyone in the region and hope chaos units against the tyranids.

I agree with the concept, but am sceptical enough to realize that difficulties in execution have already been foreshadowed. Waaagh Ironbusta was directed into Amir-Ka by their own Tzeentchian faction and Amir-Ka plans to launch another military campaign the instant they win this war.
While most of the Tzeentchians involved may think they are provoking winnable wars to influence politics, they are actually betraying Amir-Ka to Tzeentch's plan to get humans off of Avernus, by weakening the powers that stand between us and the Tyrannid fleet.

If we warn Amir Ka it might do something, but the Tzeentchians will use their influence to discredit our claims.

Proposed plan: 1. Divine who exactly the major figures of this conspiracy are.
2. Send Commisar Sepet to assasinate prominent Tzeentchians in Amir Ka, with preference for figures of the conspiracy and people who speak against our claims, or just assasinate Tzeentchians who can make themselves listened to in the wider political sphere. While also warning everyone in the area.
3. Find another Ork to unify Ironbusta's domain while the Tyrannids are busy chewing through Amir Ka.

Andres · Mar 23, 2019

Warp Talons - 1d4chan

Warp Talons are Chaos Raptors with extra Chaos.

The Warp has overtaken them so hard that their capacity for reason or even basic speech is no longer present. They're little more than deranged bat-monsters with an overactive hunting instinct. Their hands and feet have mutated into wickedly sharp talons, at the cost of being unable to use any other weapon, and they are partially daemonic; in fact, they are capable of travelling directly through the Warp, cutting their way through the Veil itself whenever a good battle can be had.

@Durin, are Warp Talons canon in Embers?

guyfromtheplace1 · Mar 23, 2019

TotallyNotEvil said:
Wasn't "every soldier a minor psyker channeling a shield throug his rune-inscribed set of power-armor while firing rune-inscribed weapons of terrible power" one of our endgame goals?

I think the non-psyker soldiers are going to be a necessary part of the order of battle until someone manages to more reliably replicate the blank tolerant psyker variant that Aria is. Under extreme conditions it would be desirable to have normal soldiers to rotate between screening our psykers and resting within a blank field.

Also on that note: I would offer my vote to anyone who manages to work in talking to the governor of niflhiem about colonizing the ice world in our system, we even have a second reason to talk to them now, as they might be well suited to figuring out the Thunder warrior research, and might even be able to create a blank tolerant variant on the technique.

Adventwolf · Mar 23, 2019

thatguy said:
I think the non-psyker soldiers are going to be a necessary part of the order of battle until someone manages to more reliably replicate the blank tolerant psyker variant that Aria is. Under extreme conditions it would be desirable to have normal soldiers to rotate between screening out psykers and resting within a blank field.

Also on that note: I would offer my vote to anyone who manages to work in talking to the governor of niflhiem about colonizing the ice world in our system, we even have a second reason to talk to them now, as they might be well suited to figuring out the Thunder warrior research, and might even be able to create a blank tolerant variant on the technique.

This is a trade vote between the three of worlds. Niflheim has nothing to do with this and we can not bring them in because we have no actions to do so.

Very much doubt we will be able to make a blank or null version of the Thunder Warriors. At least not for a very long time because of every attempt to do so killed the blank.

guyfromtheplace1 · Mar 23, 2019

Adventwolf said:
This is a trade vote between the three of worlds. Niflheim has nothing to do with this and we can not bring them in because we have no actions to do so.

Very much doubt we will be able to make a blank or null version of the Thunder Warriors. At least not for a very long time because of every attempt to do so killed the blank.

Yeah it wouldn't happen soon, I am perhaps jumping the gun.

Moving on to a completely different topic, do you have an opinion on my guessed at Tzeentchian conspiracy? We would need to move quickly on the issue if we want to do anything about it, because we would need to act before the end of their war with the Orkz.

Also I've been getting the impression that the discussion is more active on discord lately, do you know how to access it?

Adventwolf · Mar 23, 2019

thatguy said:
Yeah it wouldn't happen soon, I am perhaps jumping the gun.

Moving on to a completely different topic, do you have an opinion on my guessed at Tzeentchian conspiracy? We would need to move quickly on the issue it we want to do anything about it, because we would need to act before the end of their war with the Orkz.

Also I've been getting the impression that the discussion is more active on discord lately, do you know how to access it?

There is a link to it on the front page. As for the conspiracy it is very unlikely. Tyranids are one of the things no one whats on Avernus. They are more likely to trigger the galaxy cleanse then humans are. This was simply a power play by internal factions that weren't expecting the Splinter fleets to make it through to our location. As just so everyone remembers this splinter fleet is the size of the full hive fleets that were around during the age of the Imperium.

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