The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

  • Yes

    Votes: 593 80.4%
  • No

    Votes: 145 19.6%

  • Total voters
    738
[X] Vote for Champion Surt's proposal to increase the tithe
-[X] Argument 1: The Trust's elites have allowed it to punch above its weight against many dangerous foes, and will surely continue to do so. Ensuring that worlds can supply them in larger numbers is good for the security of the Trust.
-[X] Argument 2: Given the upcoming tech trade, it is very likely that we will receive new technologies that will enhance the Trust's industrial capacity, which will increase the amount that worlds are able to tithe. As such, we may be able to lower the tithe rate once these technologies are implemented due to that increase.

[X] Vote against pursuing a merger with the Dragon's Nest
-[X] Argument 1: Expanding to such a larger area would require a change in the government of the Trust because its current methods of administration simply can't scale to such an increased size. Any reasonable agreement that they would be likely to accept would also result in them having a majority control in the system of government vastly changing the political landscape of the Trust.
-[X] Argument 2: We've recently experienced difficulty defending the 37 worlds of the current Trust against high speed raiding efforts by the forces of Chaos and this vulnerability would only be increased if our size expanded. Against larger more predicted threats we already pool our resources. This would make us more vulnerable to raiding without making us better against a major assault.
-[X] Argument 3: Improving their infrastructure to the point that they are a greater contributor would be the work of a century, and given the primary economic engine of the Trust is the largely unreproducible productivity of Niflheim and Muspelheim they likely wouldn't ever contribute as much proportionally.
-[X] Argument 4: The heavy infiltration by spies would be very difficult to overcome without the advantage of a century of isolation. Not only could we expect more rapid leakage of technology, but it will likely lead to increased penetration of spies in their traditional roles of providing information on our activities, resources, and current troop dispositions.

[X] Propose spending a Minor Favor with the Eldar to have Saint Lin healed as best as they can manage.
-[X] Saint Lin is a living treasure who was blessed by the Emperor himself, and thus we should do what we can to preserve his life and health. He's a living symbol of the Emperor we fight for, the last such living Saint, and his value is far beyond anything simply material.

[X] Propose spending a Minor Favor with the Eldar to decode the locked data jewels we possess.
-[X] Decoding the data jewels on our own will take an immense amount of Archmagos Tranth's and Grandmaster Ridcully's time, and the Eldar have the ability to save much of that by doing it quickly. They both have other tasks that they could be doing that would be of great value to the Trust, so this time savings would be worth it. Further, we would have access to the technology and knowledge in the crystals earlier, allowing the Trust to benefit from those technologies sooner than later, and possibly use that data in the upcoming tech trade. The Eldar also wouldn't really gain anything from it, since their tech base is already extremely advanced and based on different principles.


Posting my own vote against the merger.

I also adjusted the Saint Lin argument to be a bit less ruthlessly pragmatic and instead more appealing to religion. I doubt it matters at all because I have extreme doubts anyone in the Trust will be against helping Saint Lin.

I'll admit I'm a bit hesitant on the tithe issue though. I kind of expect it just leads to the same problem happening again in a little bit as both Avernus and Jotunheim provide even more elites and soak up the increased value. I think lowering the rebate would be a better long term solution. I doubt the voters want to go for that though.
 
I haven't seen much discussion on what the spend the Eldar favors on.

I would like to propose webway access.
I dislike webway access because it's a red flag that we are in cahoots with the Eldar and were involved with the Nurgle's Garden incident.
I'm up for access to our data jewels and extending Lin's life with minor favors and banking the rest.
I am one hundred percent convinced that there is a World Tree around here somewhere that we could use to move around. Like a plant based alternative to the Old Ones Webway, there is too much foreshadowing. We just need to divine for the source of the Temple Cat network to find it. Ridcully has the traits to succeed.

No can do the webway around Avernus is wrecked and the Elgar have to repair it. Which will be sometime when ever they can.

Saint Lin life extended and the codes for the tech crystals with one favor for Eldar warp travel tech if we do not get nothing good at the conference.
I agree with these, but want to bring up and keep the idea in circulation that whenever we have another spare Minor Favor getting info and training out of the Eldar about redirecting and manipulating Orks would help.
 
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Bleh. While I think some sort of merger (or at least tightening of ties) with Dragon's Nest is a good idea in the long run, having it start up now is super inconvenient. Our long term plan is certainly going to include continuing to grow, both in planets and in a per planet sense, but what is feasible or even a good idea in the mid term is super dependent on what sort of goodies we get from the tech trade.

Ultimately I feel like a confederacy of some form is the most plausible arrangement there, from both sides. It would allow both the Trust and Dragon's Nest to keep most of their current setup for governance, outside of the powers granted to the confederacy itself, which would solve any issues arising from people being worried about dilution of votes in the High Council and the Blood Dragons wouldn't need to worry about giving up their authority. It would also really simplify bringing any peer or near-peer powers into the fold going forward. Of course, the downside would be that it would form another layer of government and wouldn't be as capable of steering things strategically as a stronger form of central government would.

For now, I'm really tempted to push for tabling an actual merger, but implementing measures to strengthen them as our allies and making a future merger more feasible, including releasing more of our technology to them as they demonstrate they can protect it, counterintelligence help, and the like.
Other methods of partial integration include formalizing a treaty of mutual defence, and integrating chains of command in our militaries, ie. clear laws about how outranks who, consistent when applied to either of our forces.

But it needs to be noted that Dragon's Nest is actually running their traditional fuedal power expansion policy with us, we've called on their military aid several times, and every time they've given it to us for a favor. Eventually we're supposed to be enough in their debt and convinced enough of their ability to protect us that we are willing to swear fealty in exchange for guaranteed protection.

@Durin
1. why have we never offered them military aid with their problems? Did they just not ask?
 
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Well, I ended up throwing together my own version of things. Here you guys go.

[X] Vote for Champion Surt's proposal to increase the tithe
-[X] Argument 1: The Trust's elites have allowed it to punch above its weight against many dangerous foes, and will surely continue to do so. Ensuring that worlds can supply them in larger numbers is good for the security of the Trust.
-[X] Argument 2: Given the upcoming tech trade, it is very likely that we will receive new technologies that will enhance the Trust's industrial capacity, which will increase the amount that worlds are able to tithe. As such, we may be able to lower the tithe rate once these technologies are implemented due to that increase.

[X] Vote to puruse a merger with the Dragon's Nest
-[X] Argument: The benefits of merging with the Dragon's Nest will outweigh the negatives. Improving their existing infrastructure with our technology would provide a major boost to the Trust's total production capacity, and in time would outstrip growth from elsewhere. For negatives, we are already obligated by our alliance to send forces to fight for them in the event of them being attacked, so while merging increases that it doesn't increase our obligations from being nothing. With regards to the security issues, it's already very likely that some of our tech will end up stolen, though the Chaotic polities will not be all that likely to share it with eachother, and we can further mitigate that though a careful merger where we dedicate the right resources to rooting out infiltrators, improving internal security within the Dragon's Nest, and improving the technology of worlds only as they meet security goals.

[X] Propose spending a Minor Favor with the Eldar to have Saint Lin healed as best as they can manage.
-[X] Saint Lin is a living treasure who was granted knowledge from the Emperor himself, and extending his lifespan has many benefits. He is a one of a kind resource for research into certain esoteric subjects, including Chaos and how to fight it, and cannot be replaced. His death will also be a blow to the Trust's morale when it occurs, so it would be good to delay it.

[X] Propose spending a Minor Favor with the Eldar to decode the locked data jewels we possess.
-[X] Decoding the data jewels on our own will take an immense amount of Archmagos Tranth's and Grandmaster Ridcully's time, and the Eldar have the ability to save much of that by doing it quickly. They both have other tasks that they could be doing that would be of great value to the Trust, so this time savings would be worth it. Further, we would have access to the technology and knowledge in the crystals earlier, allowing the Trust to benefit from those technologies sooner than later, and possibly use that data in the upcoming tech trade. The Eldar also wouldn't really gain anything from it, since their tech base is already extremely advanced and based on different principles.

[X] Propose that we talk to the Eldar during the upcoming meeting about possibly continuing to loan the troops to them that we did to pay for the upcoming meeting. This should not be done for free, but earning even minor favors from the Empire of Ashes shouldn't be discounted given how much they are worth.
I really like your plan, and the only thing I think I'd add to it is that the merger with the Dragon's Nest will need some commitment to reform of the Imperial Trust's governmental and military structures, as they simply weren't designed for incorporating a polity as large as the Imperial Trust, and I'm doubtful they'll be able to cope in the long term. We need to ensure we can successfully protect a much larger territory from hostile incursions, and that we can efficiently and stably govern it as well.

[X] Enjou
 
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[X] Vote against pursuing a merger with the Dragon's Nest
-[X] Argument 1: Expanding to such a larger area would require a change in the government of the Trust because its current methods of administration simply can't scale to such an increased size. Any reasonable agreement that they would be likely to accept would also result in them having a majority control in the system of government vastly changing the political landscape of the Trust.
-[X] Argument 2: We've recently experienced difficulty defending the 37 worlds of the current Trust against high speed raiding efforts by the forces of Chaos and this vulnerability would only be increased if our size expanded. Against larger more predicted threats we already pool our resources. This would make us more vulnerable to raiding without making us better against a major assault.
-[X] Argument 3: Improving their infrastructure to the point that they are a greater contributor would be the work of a century, and given the primary economic engine of the Trust is the largely unreproducible productivity of Niflheim and Muspelheim they likely wouldn't ever contribute as much proportionally.
-[X] Argument 4: The heavy infiltration by spies would be very difficult to overcome without the advantage of a century of isolation. Not only could we expect more rapid leakage of technology, but it will likely lead to increased penetration of spies in their traditional roles of providing information on our activities, resources, and current troop dispositions.
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I'd say that the issues of developing the Dragon's Nest's economy and increasing its security are probably fairly minor. Our inquisition can help with security issues, and we can also implement any tech that would help to prevent espionage. Economic development is also something that we could help simply by sharing various relevant STCs and bits of technology. We could leave military tech upgrades until such time as their security was tighter and their economies developed to the point where they could actually manufacture advanced equipment and deploy it across their armed forces effectively.

There are issues with administration, and with how the Imperial Trust's armed forces would be organised to deal with things. However, I think it would make far more sense to suggest reform rather than scrapping the idea of integration altogether. If the current political system won't work then we should change it so that it will. Will it be difficult? Yes. But it will absolutely be worth it in the long run. The same is also true when it comes to difficulties of defending a much larger polity. Again, it will be difficult, but the cost is still far outweighed by the benefits.
 
I really like your plan, and the only thing I think I'd add to it is that the merger with the Dragon's Nest will need some commitment to reform of the Imperial Trust's governmental and military structures, as they simply weren't designed for incorporating a polity as large as the Imperial Trust, and I'm doubtful they'll be able to cope in the long term. We need to ensure we can successfully protect a much larger territory from hostile incursions, and that we can efficiently and stably govern it as well.
Everyone knows that already though.
 
I really like your plan, and the only thing I think I'd add to it is that the merger with the Dragon's Nest will need some commitment to reform of the Imperial Trust's governmental and military structures, as they simply weren't designed for incorporating a polity as large as the Imperial Trust, and I'm doubtful they'll be able to cope in the long term. We need to ensure we can successfully protect a much larger territory from hostile incursions, and that we can efficiently and stably govern it as well.

As has been mentioned the DN us actually a strong polity that has over 100 worlds, is run by veteran astartes and has some really high defenses that they developed over the centuries. They also have been resisting raiding from Turoq as well. So while help from us would be nice they more than likely don't actually need it that much.
 
Everyone knows that already though.
It may be that everyone voting in the quest does, but I'm not so sure about everyone in the Quest. The mention in the actual threadmark isn't really very broad.
The first issue is that the Blood Dragon's are unlikely to accept relinquishing control over their territory so you would need to add a method for multi-system states to exist within the Imperial Trust. Next you would need to deal with the larger size and therefore greater reaction time that adding Dragon's nest would impose on the Trust. Hopefully the expanded Trust Guard and a powerful, mobile force in Dragon's Nest will be enough to deal with that problem.
Nothing there really suggests the kind of dramatic structural changes that would probably be the best way of dealing with those challenges. Instead the emphasis seems to be more on patching the current structure of the Imperial Trust, as opposed to any kind of bolder reform.
 
[X] Vote for Champion Surt's proposal to increase the tithe
-[X] Argument 1: The Trust's elites have allowed it to punch above its weight against many dangerous foes, and will surely continue to do so. Ensuring that worlds can supply them in larger numbers is good for the security of the Trust.
-[X] Argument 2: Given the upcoming tech trade, it is very likely that we will receive new technologies that will enhance the Trust's industrial capacity, which will increase the amount that worlds are able to tithe. As such, we may be able to lower the tithe rate once these technologies are implemented due to that increase.

[X] Vote to puruse a merger with the Dragon's Nest
-[X] Argument: The benefits of merging with the Dragon's Nest will outweigh the negatives. Improving their existing infrastructure with our technology would provide a major boost to the Trust's total production capacity, and in time would outstrip growth from elsewhere. For negatives, we are already obligated by our alliance to send forces to fight for them in the event of them being attacked, so while merging increases that it doesn't increase our obligations from being nothing. With regards to the security issues, it's already very likely that some of our tech will end up stolen, though the Chaotic polities will not be all that likely to share it with eachother, and we can further mitigate that though a careful merger where we dedicate the right resources to rooting out infiltrators, improving internal security within the Dragon's Nest, and improving the technology of worlds only as they meet security goals.

[X] Propose spending a Minor Favor with the Eldar to have Saint Lin healed as best as they can manage.
-[X] Saint Lin is a living treasure who was granted knowledge from the Emperor himself, and extending his lifespan has many benefits. He is a one of a kind resource for research into certain esoteric subjects, including Chaos and how to fight it, and cannot be replaced. His death will also be a blow to the Trust's morale when it occurs, so it would be good to delay it.

[X] Propose spending a Minor Favor with the Eldar to decode the locked data jewels we possess.
-[X] Decoding the data jewels on our own will take an immense amount of Archmagos Tranth's and Grandmaster Ridcully's time, and the Eldar have the ability to save much of that by doing it quickly. They both have other tasks that they could be doing that would be of great value to the Trust, so this time savings would be worth it. Further, we would have access to the technology and knowledge in the crystals earlier, allowing the Trust to benefit from those technologies sooner than later, and possibly use that data in the upcoming tech trade. The Eldar also wouldn't really gain anything from it, since their tech base is already extremely advanced and based on different principles.
 
honestly, I feel that the whole discussion on whether or not to merge is kinda premature. Instead of a binary yes or no to a process that would span a century+ we should be taking the whole thing in smaller steps.

Instead we could say no to a merger now but we are willing to strengthen ties.

Push for further military co-operation such as joint patrols or working together to tackle the lesser threats around us and see how our military works together.

Offer to help them establish better systems for the hunting of cultists, psykers and infiltrators. If it works we strengthen them while also increasing our influence over them. When we get the black ships up we can even offer to help train their psykers and expand our psyker academies to their worlds


If all this works without exploding THEN we can start thinking about the next step. Merge, but do it a bit at a time without making any long-term permanent commitment. That way we can stop or slow down the process as needed, giving us far more control over it than just saying yes or no.
 
Actually, @Enjou , how about trading favours with the Eldar for warp-related tech or limited webway access? I seem to recall this came up a few weeks ago, but I don't know what happened to the discussion since then. It would certainly be a good idea if we want to be able to respond to threats across the farthest reaches of the Dragon's Nest.
 
Actually, @Enjou , how about trading favours with the Eldar for warp-related tech or limited webway access? I seem to recall this came up a few weeks ago, but I don't know what happened to the discussion since then. It would certainly be a good idea if we want to be able to respond to threats across the farthest reaches of the Dragon's Nest.
That is tabled for discussion till the talk about the conference since it will be conditional on what tech we can get at the conference.
 
Actually, @Enjou , how about trading favours with the Eldar for warp-related tech or limited webway access? I seem to recall this came up a few weeks ago, but I don't know what happened to the discussion since then. It would certainly be a good idea if we want to be able to respond to threats across the farthest reaches of the Dragon's Nest.

We already got an answer from Durin the webway is out of the question it is damaged in our area. As for warp knowledge/wrapdrives that can be gained by using a favor to get them to teach us everything from the basics up.

@Durin I noticed that the Trust has apparently never built any of the upgraded factory ships.
1. Is there any particular reason why?
2. Would having some help with the logistics of operations over larger distances?
3. Would they be useful in establishing new colonies?
4. Speaking of colonies how dangerous is it to settle the light corrupted worlds in Valinor?
4a. If it's to much for most are Avernites and people from niflheim the only ones who can settle them?
5. I know you have answered a version of this question but I just need a clearer answer. For a light corrupted world it take centuries to cleanse without Saint Lin right?
5b. Same question but for medium and heavy though I'm sure you said heavy would never be cleansed without Saint Lin?
6.This is for my omake is Marshal Sif of the Gauts that ran for Lord-Marshal Lady Sif Sigurd's sister or just another Sif?
7. With Sigurd dead who is head of House Borrs?
8. Did Sigurd have children?
8a. If yes how many and how old?

Sorry for the long list of questions. If you don't want to answer some that is fine it was mostly just curiosity for most of them.
 
But they wont accept being counted as colonys and i have yet to see why the high council would be willing to stand back unless we burned all of our favors literally to become a local sector goverment only wich the merge would mean basicly and involve creating a freaking overlord position wich they didnt want to do anyway.
And the only way i see doing this makes sense is that we would could kill the 50-200 ly threats wich means alot of fighting and colonizing anyway and the dark mehanicus will be a issue well before we merge and will introduce horrific holes to be honest wich im not thrilled about. And who knows what the big chaos powers would do in reaction to that while our turtling strategy has been very succesful.

My thought is subsector gets a high council spot for each existing world to get like 8 high council spots for them and give their homeworld a spot i guess to keep the current structures at best might be a compromise thought?

We can inflate our population by building a few hive worlds especially if we dont have to uplift dragons nest.

outside security we will make them do militias aswell wich wont be fun if u dont include this from the start of the world.
@Durin
1) Will ridicully be able to predict stuff happening to dragons nest if we merge or is the distance too much about incoming attacks?
2) How many subsectors does dragons nest have ?
1. he will
2. 12
@Durin
1. Why does Musphelhiem support a merge with Dragon's Nest?
2. Why now and not later?
3. What do we know about how the Dragon's Nest Mechanicus differs from ours?

I trust their perspective and they seem to be the sort to have good arguments, but am uncertain myself, and leaning towards putting it off until later.
1. because eventually something to big for the Imperial Trust to handle will come you way, and merging with Dragon's Nest and giving them your tech will quadruple your military power and give you more room to lose worlds
2. because it will take a long time and the sooner started the sooner finished, and the longer you wait
3. it is less influential and more liberal, willing to ignore old traditions due to necessity
Should probably ask:
@Durin
1. If we vote to integrate Dragon's Nest into the trust, will the rest of the High Council want to work out a new structure to the Trust government now or later?
1a: If "now", would that be during this vote/round of discussion we're having right now?
1. later

[]Plan Economic Compromise
-Raise the tithe from 25% to 27%
-Lower the the rebate from 1% per every extra 1% tithed to 0.85% per 1%.

Basically 40% of Surt's proposal and 60% of Bertil's one.
@Durin - would this proposal pass without need of further lobbying?
it would
By that I meant the bonuses Avernites get because, well, Avernus. Military training and such gets added on top of that. Its free, or at least not paid for when raising new armies.

Elites are good at garrisoning, better then regulars in fact. They are just utterly wasted there.


Lower, yes, and it is part of the reason why we have elites at all, but it is not enough.

There is a reason why modern militaries do not equip all of their soldiers with the best equipment, but with the most affordable and good enough.

But as I do not know enough numbers and math to prove this:

@Durin If you send a Helguard regiment (or any other number really) against an equivalent cost in Helltroopers, who wins?
the Helguard. and the reason you do not just have Helguard is that the reasons your elites are so good is that they are recruited from your best soldiers and then given further training, just giving people Helguard training does not create Helguard
@Durin, this question is for an omake. What are Divine Lore-capable psychic priests of a minor god called?
varies by god, often Saints given that most gods can only provide their lore to a select few
@Durin
1. How the frak did Jotunheim managed to increase Power Armoured Jutun regiment skill bonus by +195 in the last 50 years?
2. Not quite question but observation/suggestion. The current system of appointing new advisors/personal assistants doesn't really make sense, it worked fine when we did 1 year turns but now the fact that our incredibly efficient bureaucracy takes 5 to 9 years to replace vital position is silly (that's more along the lines of old Imperium's Admininstratum), I can understand part of it is to streamline the new turn process but I propose a solution:
Instead of us needing to take an action next turn whenever someone dies we automatically loose one of our non-Personal Attention actions next year (the ones we use for spend time with, knowing Avernus and so on, all of those take one year so it shouldn't interrupt anything) and we get to choose new advisor/assistant after the results of the turn they died on, gaining access to their actions when making plans for the next turn. In case they die at the very end of the turn just have it "eat" one of out year 1 actions next and only give us access to actions of new guy/gal from year 2 onwards.
Good idea or not?
1. training and experiance using power armour for the Jotuen
2. maybe
@Durin
1 how much support would we have for foreign legion to help the Eldar or earn favors?
2 would it be better to wait till the conference?
1. unknown, sound out exists for a reason
@Durin
1. Does any of the above sway any of the fence sitters on any of the votes?
1. mechanicus on raising tithe
no one on merge but no one needed, with your vote it will be 7 to 4
Other methods of partial integration include formalizing a treaty of mutual defence, and integrating chains of command in our militaries, ie. clear laws about how outranks who, consistent when applied to either of our forces.

But it needs to be noted that Dragon's Nest is actually running their traditional fuedal power expansion policy with us, we've called on their military aid several times, and every time they've given it to us for a favor. Eventually we're supposed to be enough in their debt and convinced enough of their ability to protect us that we are willing to swear fealty in exchange for guaranteed protection.

@Durin
1. why have we never offered them military aid with their problems? Did they just not ask?
pretty much, and you gave them a lot by taken out their worst neighbors
We already got an answer from Durin the webway is out of the question it is damaged in our area. As for warp knowledge/wrapdrives that can be gained by using a favor to get them to teach us everything from the basics up.

@Durin I noticed that the Trust has apparently never built any of the upgraded factory ships.
1. Is there any particular reason why?
2. Would having some help with the logistics of operations over larger distances?
3. Would they be useful in establishing new colonies?
4. Speaking of colonies how dangerous is it to settle the light corrupted worlds in Valinor?
4a. If it's to much for most are Avernites and people from niflheim the only ones who can settle them?
5. I know you have answered a version of this question but I just need a clearer answer. For a light corrupted world it take centuries to cleanse without Saint Lin right?
5b. Same question but for medium and heavy though I'm sure you said heavy would never be cleansed without Saint Lin?
6.This is for my omake is Marshal Sif of the Gauts that ran for Lord-Marshal Lady Sif Sigurd's sister or just another Sif?
7. With Sigurd dead who is head of House Borrs?
8. Did Sigurd have children?
8a. If yes how many and how old?

Sorry for the long list of questions. If you don't want to answer some that is fine it was mostly just curiosity for most of them.
1. no real need
2. not at the scale you deal with
3. no
4. moderatly and long term cult issues
a. yes
5. yes
b. thosuads for medium, never for heavy
6. Siguards sister
7. his eldest son
8. 2, both male
 
Now I'm kinda curious if taking Avernites, who have been shaped and somewhat adopted by the Planet Mind as test subjects, to other warptouched worlds with no clear claimant in the warp would marginally spread the PM's influence there. Humans do tend to have a pretty large presence in the warp and have exceptional potential there even for Avernite species.
 
@Durin
Would you be open to a compromis for changing how the rebate is calculated? I ask you because it would affect your spreadsheets.

At moment the rebate is calculated with
Article:
f(x,y)=x*y
x = upkeep cost
y = thite percentage

That lead to problems at higher percentages.

Upkeep Cost Thite % Thite Cost Total Upkeep   Rebate Total Cover % Thite Cover Normal Cover
500 5% 25 525   26.25 5% 105% 0.25%
500 20% 100 600   120 20% 120% 4%
500 100% 500 1000   1000 100% 200% 100%
500 200% 1000 1500   3000 200% 300% 400%
As such I would propose a change in calculation to:
Article:
f(x,y)=g(x,y)+h(x,y)
g(x,y)=X/(1+Y)*Y
h(x,y)=X/(1+Y)*(1-1/(1+Y))
x = upkeep cost
y = thite percentage

g() would always result in rebating the actual thited troops while h() would result in a relife for the planet for training the troops but would never totally cover their upkeep. It will cover always a portion of the planets/troops not thited cost in relation of their thited brethren. At 50% thite 1/3, at 100 1/2, at 200 2/3.

Upkeep Cost Thite % Thite Cost Total Upkeep   Rebate Total Cover % Thite Cover Normal Cover
500 5% 25 525   48.81 9.3% 195.24% 4.76%
500 20% 100 600   183.33 30.56% 183.33% 16.67%
500 100% 500 1000   750 75% 150% 50%
500 200% 1000 1500   1333.33 88.89% 133.33% 66.67%
As seen the downside is that lower percentage thited troops get a higher rebate.

1. What is the members opinion on this compromise?
2. Alternatively what is their opinon on simple capping the rebate at 100% of upkeep?
1. To much spreadsheet work for me, to high rebate for low increases
2. Not enough support to pass
 
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