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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

  • Yes

    Votes: 593 80.4%

  • No

    Votes: 145 19.6%
  • Total voters
    738
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Enjou said:
Do people voting for me directly care if I remove this one or not?

[] Propose that we talk to the Eldar during the upcoming meeting about possibly continuing to loan the troops to them that we did to pay for the upcoming meeting. This should not be done for free, but earning even minor favors from the Empire of Ashes shouldn't be discounted given how much they are worth.

I'm not super keen on it, and some people don't seem to be including it when they just copy the rest.
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Thinking about it, if we can in fact earn Eldar favors by sending them our Elites, is that not beneficial to Trusts safety?

Because there are long periods between wars, during which they would be doing good, gathering experience, and amassing favor, instead of just garrisoning. And while they would be missing come war, they should have earned more then their value in Eldar support by then no?

Win win.
 
[X] Enjou
Some peeps don't really understand how the Merging works. The whole reason it will take 150 years is because we will be dealing the problems you are bringing up. Otherwise we would be a single combined polity by the next High Council meeting.

And I am neutral on supplying the Eldar with troops. If I wasn't voting for the Merger then I would be fully accepting of it, but as it is we could possibly need them more in case of any brush fires during the merger. Emphasis on "possibly", as we are at the point that barring one of our major neighbors declaring war we won't necessarily need the extra manpower. So in the end, I am just providing a useless tidbit food for thought. Do what you think is best, man!
 
Enerael said:
Even if they were easy to get (which they are relatively, but 20-25 years of Ridcullys time is not cheap. Just more then worth it.), we still really shouldn't waste them.
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Well it would be more like 10 years since Ridcully has 2 Greater Divination actions per turn. In 25 years we could get 3-4 minor favors...

But I agree we shouldn't waste them. I would say that our first priority with Ridcully's Divinations should be to get 2 or 3 minor Eldar favors, just to have them in the reserve so we can use them if any emergency arises.
 
Enerael said:
Better tech will likely include better weapons and thus more expensive military.
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We are the guys with tech level 18 (military focus) here. We might get different special weapons and stuff, but most probably not any better general weapons, and that's where we spend the most.

@Portec, correct me if I am wrong, but your proposal is essentially lowering of rebate per tithe percent, but progressive, right?
 
Actually, Ridcully can take 2 Greater Divinations every 5 years plus the one Free Greater Divination, for a total of three. So it kinda equates to 1 favor every 1.33 turns (with on average every third turn we would get 2 favors). Mind, some one more maths skilled than me could do a better explanation.
 
Fanhunter696 said:
Well it would be more like 10 years since Ridcully has 2 Greater Divination actions per turn. In 25 years we could get 3-4 minor favors...

But I agree we shouldn't waste them. I would say that our first priority with Ridcully's Divinations should be to get 2 or 3 minor Eldar favors, just to have them in the reserve so we can use them if any emergency arises.
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We still need him for research and divinations for ourselves, so I doubt that we will do more then one GD for the Eldar simultaneously, but good point.
 
Enjou said:
Do people voting for me directly care if I remove this one or not?

[] Propose that we talk to the Eldar during the upcoming meeting about possibly continuing to loan the troops to them that we did to pay for the upcoming meeting. This should not be done for free, but earning even minor favors from the Empire of Ashes shouldn't be discounted given how much they are worth.

I'm not super keen on it, and some people don't seem to be including it when they just copy the rest.
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Do it. We can try it later after doing a sound out if people really want it that much.
 
@Enjou
When else but now before we meet the eldar can we make a decision on it?

The Eldar choice of making the trust their ally came out of nowhere. We need to decide how to respont.

The proposed legion is just a maximal idea the trust could do.

@threat what plans are even there to vote on?
 
[X] Plan strange proposals

Im thinking that Rotbart should be the principle trust reformer in dragons nest, abdicating his position as governor and touring the sectors one at a time. Those administrations that are deemed unworthy get reformed during Rotbart's stay (as well as the military), those administrations deemed worthy only get a guideline of improvement to meet. That way the security of dragon's nest grows with the merger, less tech is lost due to chaos (Rotbart and his advisors has been consistently smashing chaos in the face since day 1 of avernus), and their economy and fleets can grow at a much faster rate.
 
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[X] Vote for Champion Surt's proposal to increase the tithe
-[X] Argument 1: The Trust's elites have allowed it to punch above its weight against many dangerous foes, and will surely continue to do so. Ensuring that worlds can supply them in larger numbers is good for the security of the Trust.
-[X] Argument 2: Given the upcoming tech trade, it is very likely that we will receive new technologies that will enhance the Trust's industrial capacity, which will increase the amount that worlds are able to tithe. As such, we may be able to lower the tithe rate once these technologies are implemented due to that increase.

[X] Vote to pursue a merger with the Dragon's Nest
-[X] Argument: The benefits of merging with the Dragon's Nest will outweigh the negatives. Improving their existing infrastructure with our technology would provide a major boost to the Trust's total production capacity, and in time would outstrip growth from elsewhere. For negatives, we are already obligated by our alliance to send forces to fight for them in the event of them being attacked, so while merging increases that it doesn't increase our obligations from being nothing. With regards to the security issues, it's already very likely that some of our tech will end up stolen, though the Chaotic polities will not be all that likely to share it with eachother, and we can further mitigate that though a careful merger where we dedicate the right resources to rooting out infiltrators, improving internal security within the Dragon's Nest, and improving the technology of worlds only as they meet security goals.

[X] Propose spending a Minor Favor with the Eldar to have Saint Lin healed as best as they can manage.

[X] Propose spending a Minor Favor with the Eldar to decode the locked data jewels we possess.
-[X] Decoding the data jewels on our own will take an immense amount of Archmagos Tranth's and Grandmaster Ridcully's time, and the Eldar have the ability to save much of that by doing it quickly. They both have other tasks that they could be doing that would be of great value to the Trust, so this time savings would be worth it. Further, we would have access to the technology and knowledge in the crystals earlier, allowing the Trust to benefit from those technologies sooner than later, and possibly use that data in the upcoming tech trade. The Eldar also wouldn't really gain anything from it, since their tech base is already extremely advanced and based on different principles.

[X] Propose that we talk to the Eldar during the upcoming meeting about possibly continuing to loan the troops to them that we did to pay for the upcoming meeting. This should not be done for free, but earning even minor favors from the Empire of Ashes shouldn't be discounted given how much they are worth.
 
@Durin
1. What is the Siren's opinion on buying artificial lakes from us?

Close enough that they can walk overland to get to the sea, but isolated from the normal sea wildlife.

Edit: I feel kind of dumb for not thinking of this before.
 
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Wouldnt hate the thought of having the high council be representives from each subsectors so when we absorb dragons nest we get roughly parity on it without doing massive reforms of the goverment and maybe giving each sub sector for the colonies representation to boost our numbers abit aswell with a few extra. I know this wouldnt be ideal but this could work as a compromise and might actually get past the thoughts of others aswell without massive changes outside making navy/army more independent .

Also getting a more liberal mehanicus might actually be worth the hassle since it could eventually lead to men of stone being resurrected who should give at least insane efense bonuses and probably are needed for the highest tier daot tech for our industrys and muspelheim/svart might be able to replicate their stuff wich makes them so insane.

durin should really answer what saying yes would entail i guess and my thought is that in the next meeting we vote on further issues , then again in the one after that and finally the last one after that we will have some decision to make aswell? But the first stage will be seeing what actually blood dragons want for merging and improving their security and the next vote will be voting on their proposals they are willing to accept i guess?

Reequiping the dragons army wont be fun people especially since they will probably use power armor for their elites for sure. Same for their navy and orbital defense will have to be upgraded aswell and we are not even talking about industry upgrades especially if we get crazy stuff from the trades.

@Durin
1) Whats the dragons nest shipyard situation, i mean how many of them do they have ?
2) Anything approaching vanaheim size?
3) Or they have alot of our and midgard sized yards instead?
 
atrophy said:
Wouldnt hate the thought of having the high council be representives from each subsectors so when we absorb dragons nest we get roughly parity on it without doing massive reforms of the goverment and maybe giving each sub sector for the colonies representation to boost our numbers abit aswell with a few extra. I know this wouldnt be ideal but this could work as a compromise and might actually get past the thoughts of others aswell without massive changes outside making navy/army more independent .

Also getting a more liberal mehanicus might actually be worth the hassle since it could eventually lead to men of stone being resurrected who should give at least insane efense bonuses and probably are needed for the highest tier daot tech for our industrys and muspelheim/svart might be able to replicate their stuff wich makes them so insane.

durin should really answer what saying yes would entail i guess and my thought is that in the next meeting we vote on further issues , then again in the one after that and finally the last one after that we will have some decision to make aswell? But the first stage will be seeing what actually blood dragons want for merging and improving their security and the next vote will be voting on their proposals they are willing to accept i guess?

Reequiping the dragons army wont be fun people especially since they will probably use power armor for their elites for sure. Same for their navy and orbital defense will have to be upgraded aswell and we are not even talking about industry upgrades especially if we get crazy stuff from the trades.

@Durin
1) Whats the dragons nest shipyard situation, i mean how many of them do they have ?
2) Anything approaching vanaheim size?
3) Or they have alot of our and midgard sized yards instead?
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All your answers are in the informational details of dragon's nest.
 
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[X] Plan strange proposals
- Vote for a compromise to finanze the Trust Guard [LINK]
-- Argument: Fortifying the rebate payments for future expansion of the Trust Guard. Increasing the ressource thide does not change problem that Avernus and Jotunheim can use the current regulations to let the Trust finanz them overly. Lowering the rebate goes at the expense of everyone and does not solve it either. With the Guards target thite of over 200% for the Hellguard the current situation will reapear at the next meeting.

- Vote to pursue a merger with the Dragon's Nest
-- Argument: The benefits of merging with the Dragon's Nest will outweigh the negatives. Improving their existing infrastructure with our technology would provide a major boost to the Trust's total production capacity, and in time would outstrip growth from elsewhere. For negatives, we are already obligated by our alliance to send forces to fight for them in the event of them being attacked, so while merging increases that it doesn't increase our obligations from being nothing. With regards to the security issues, it's already very likely that some of our tech will end up stolen, though the Chaotic polities will not be all that likely to share it with eachother, and we can further mitigate that though a careful merger where we dedicate the right resources to rooting out infiltrators, improving internal security within the Dragon's Nest, and improving the technology of worlds only as they meet security goals.

- Propose spending a Minor Favor with the Eldar to have Saint Lin healed as best as they can manage.

- Propose spending a Minor Favor with the Eldar to decode the locked data jewels we possess.
-- Argument: Decoding the data jewels on our own will take an immense amount of Archmagos Tranth's and Grandmaster Ridcully's time, and the Eldar have the ability to save much of that by doing it quickly. They both have other tasks that they could be doing that would be of great value to the Trust, so this time savings would be worth it. Further, we would have access to the technology and knowledge in the crystals earlier, allowing the Trust to benefit from those technologies sooner than later, and possibly use that data in the upcoming tech trade. The Eldar also wouldn't really gain anything from it, since their tech base is already extremely advanced and based on different principles.

- Propose that we talk to the Eldar during the upcoming meeting about possibly continuing to loan the troops to them that we did to pay for the upcoming meeting. This should not be done for free, but earning even minor favors from the Empire of Ashes shouldn't be discounted given how much they are worth.
-- Argument: The Eldars declaration of seeing us as allies came unexpected. As I see it the Trust sees them more as convinient partner than allies. Neverless we need to respond to their declaration and supporting them with troops for their passive protection is an answer that we can handle and they can appriciate. What form it will ultimately take -the current commitment indfenitly, a larger contigent or something else- needs discussion.
 
Another argument for Lin is how intrumental he is to reforming and proselytizing the faith, and at minimun, we need him to find a desciple(s) before his death.
 
I suppose we could call our eventual merging with Dragon's Nest a Confederation?
They were going to call the Confederation of Canada a confederation, even when it only planned to split up Ontario and Quebec into separate provinces with an overlying government in order to put an end to the constant English-french deadlock in every level of government that prevented them from getting anything done. They just invited more provinces in later because America was threatening and the Maritime Provinces were already talking about forming their own Confederation to unite.
That's it! we don't call the resulting administrative divisions Sectors, because that has the implication that they should be around a hundred or more worlds, we call them provinces(or states? That works better for negotiating optics it we want to convince anyone else to join) to avoid the implication that the Imperial Trust is undercontributing to be counted as an administrative division, and are able to offer petty Imperiums a position as one of those states if they want to join.
In fact I'm wondering if there's anyone else close enough that we should consider soliciting their participation.
@Durin
1.What's the closest imperial remenant with over twenty worlds?
2. How far away is it?

I understand that they're all tiny, and the ones other than the three with Omake for them are unlikely to survive until we get to them, but if one of those is close enough it might be worth inviting them.
 
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