Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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The cave where our argent vent is located is described as being a natural looking cave, so I don't think they are made by human hands. Things get really weird when you try and label stuff as artificial because according to the creation myth that we heard everything is artificial is not the way the world is "supposed to be"

My current belief is that the Yaun clan settled in this area found the argent vents and then crafted their arts around such a useful resources. They then get wiped out during the big incursion and their old lands are used to form the argent sect.

It could very well be that if powerful enough people live in the same place for a very long time the very world begins to shape itself to be more helpful to them. An example of this is the weliu tomb. I really doubt that the twisted broken forms we saw as we went through that test are natural.

We know from Elder Su's lecture that nearly everything has a spirit whether the rivers or the trees or the mountains. It very well could be that if a powerful enough presence is nearby it starts to warp those slumbering spirits into something that is more aligned with that powerful person's domain. That would explain why the argent arts are practiced here and not everywhere in the empire. Argent vents are only found here because this is where the Yaun clan existed.

It could very well be a self feeding cycle. A person gets strong enough to start warping the surrounding land to be favorable to them. That persons descendants benefit from the land being favorable to them and grow even stronger. This would warp the land even more. Of course this would take a long time and an exceptionally powerful clan to start the process but the end result is a massive home field advantage. Would also help explain why so many ancient clans just beat out everyone on resources. Not only do they know all the tricks already but the land itself has been warp to help them. What an unfair advantage. (If my idea is true.)

Edit: So as I was writing this my idea's on what may be going on shift quite a bit and ramble and then I end up almost disagreeing with the point I started with. Sorry everyone.
 
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We know powerful cultivators and spirits can leave lasting marks on the world. The Imperial Dragon left craters in the western jungle that still don't grow over, Yuan He binding Ogodei's spirit beast hundreds of years ago left a peak where Gu Xiulan could purposefully get hit by lightning today, and the description of our final technique for FVM hints at a physical location still touched by the art's completion.
 
Got bored again. I find it interesting that from the text of Argent Genesis we've gotten confirmation that the Argent Series were developed by a clan which is strongly implied to be Pre-Sect. It's one of those subjects where you go "Huh, that makes a lot of sense, why did we never really talk about this?"

It's also interesting because of no commentary on that front in the thread since.

So what do people think about it?
I think we shouldn't rush to believe what is true for Argent Cultivation Art to be true for specific Argent Arts. I mean, it's plausible that, say, the combat Argent Art we know of were the basic arts taught by Yuan He's clan to their red/yellow armies, but it's not necessary.

Still, Argent Genesis giving dice to Argent Cultivation does apply that the concept of Argent Art as such existed beforehand.
Makes me think that his clan used to have holdings here but were wiped out and he went and dished out vengeance against the Barbarians that killed his clan.

I mean, the sites all around here are perfect for the cultivation of Argent types of arts, and so if a clan had these holdings for a couple of generations, it would seem that they would be strongly inclined to develop and cultivate Argent arts. It would be slightly strange if he had a clan in another province developing argent arts independently of these vents and then the Sect Head found these vents after defeating the Barbarians.

I mean... It's possible but I think that there is a stronger connection between the Argent Arts and the Vents then simple happenstance.
I am pretty sure it was confirmed somewhere that:
  1. The clan using to live here was criticised for destroying the spirit veins in a way that was non renewables, and that by Argent Elders.
  2. I am pretty sure there is a WoG on how the Agent Vent are a recent product of researches on how to manipulate spirit veins to have specific effects.
From this, I would think that the opposite of what you are positing happened. After the clan leaving here was destroyed and Yuan He beat Ogodei, he was rewarded with a position here, and then made efforts to manipulate the spirit mines so that they would give further bonus to Argent Arts compared to other type of elements.
 
The clan using to live here was criticised for destroying the spirit veins in a way that was non renewables, and that by Argent Elders.

I believe you are confusing the line from snow mom about how the greed of the empire brought the wrath of the cloud nomads. I do not remember anything close to what you are saying here.
 
I believe you are confusing the line from snow mom about how the greed of the empire brought the wrath of the cloud nomads. I do not remember anything close to what you are saying here.
In early quest, before meeting Su Ling for the first time (week 4)
She would have to discuss it with Li Suyin after the lecture, for now she just needed to pay attention to Elder Su's lecture, the older woman had moved on to outlining the day's topic. They would be various effects environment could have on qi and cultivation, and how to identify sites which had a strong energy and were thus ideal for cultivation. Apparently this entire mountain was selected as a training ground for that reason. The spirit stones it had once contained were long mined out, but the lingering energy still provided an ideal environment for new cultivators.

Still, Ling Qi made a note to look into that at some point, that implied that there were mines here in the past, and even if they had been almost entirely stripped bare, even finding a handful of extra spirit stones could be really useful. Of course it was doubtful that she was the only one with that thought.
There are later talks on how this was considered very bad long term thinking by the current power in the Empire.
 
In early quest, before meeting Su Ling for the first time (week 4)

There are later talks on how this was considered very bad long term thinking by the current power in the Empire.

We have the greed statement to back that extensive mining was taking place. However it feels like you are really stretching what we know to back your ideas up. You are providing some really good and thought provoking quotes but combining them to such broad and and non cited comments that it can't help but raise red flags for me. I would never expect a full dissection of this topic with in depth research but even still your take on this matter seems like there are quite a few holes. Perhaps I am simply not reading what you are writing correctly. Therefore I will state my own take on the mystery of the Argent Vents, the Argent Sect, the history of the place and what we can do with that in order to have a good conversation and try to flesh out ideas but these things.

Before I dive into my take on these mystries I would like to ask some clafication from you.
What do you mean by spirit veins? Are they physical spirit stone lines or something like leylines?


First I agree with you Arkeus that there was a Clan living in these mountains. However I disagree with you on the aspect that this place was chosen and then Yuan He added the argent vents. Mined out spirit stone deposits simply do not seem that appealing when it comes to the location of a great sect. This place was chosen for a reason I believe that reason was the argent vents.

Vents are a very specific thing. According to the Webster dictionary a vent is something that allows the escape of a gas or liquid or the relief of pressure. I believe that there is something under these mountains and it is being forced up. I do not believe that these vents are result of recent research. We can see that all the argent arts benefit from access to argent vents by the increase in dice rolling. Further we know from our time in the outer sect that argent soul seems to quiver when near a vent "Ling Qi could feel an odd quivering in the 'skin' that had formed around her dantian when she advanced to the third stage of Argent Soul (Week 9)." It seem far more likely to me that the argent arts were built around these vents and to benefit from these vents then for these vents to be researched and then built for these arts. If you can find a quote that states the argent vents are a recent development (After the great sects were created or 450 years ago) then I would be more than willing to concede this point. However right now it just doesn't make sense to me to have an art almost physically react to something unless the relationship between the two is very deep and not at all recent.

It would also explain to me why the people living here prior to the sect would so aggressively mine spirit stones. The argent liquid and spirit stone outcroppings seem to be linked somehow. If the people wanted to get as much of this liquid as they could it would explain why they would mine so fast. I believe, without supporting text, that those people tried to get to that source. Perhaps they were destroyed by the nomads before they could find it. Perhaps they did find it and that is one of the great resources the sect has. Perhaps they dug to fast and too deep and ended like the dwarfs of Moria.

What does this mean for us though. If the sect used to be home to a clan (which I now firmly believe) then there well could be valuable loot lying around. While all of the best stuff would have been sized, either by the nomads or by the sect, secret hideouts could very well remain. I doubt that the sect has time to root out every little outpost. While there may not be much left hidden techniques or pill recipes could be sold for a great deal. In a more serious note though I doubt that this information would be of great help to us. It would provide us context and might let us help our friends more but anything worth a great deal is likely known by the sect already. If it is known by the sect then it is likely known by Xin and we have a map from Xin!

(So some more evidence that a clan lived here for a very long time is a quote from our outer sect advisor "The spirits of this land have been civilized by many millennia of effort." However, according to Yrs offical timeline the ogodei was slain about 498 years ago.)
 
Seems to me it could easily be both. A rare fount of Argent Essence which was exotic but not THAT potent or useful beyond an example of opposed elements harmonizing, but Argent ascension gave a massive boost to its potency.

Mind you, getting to Argent Sagedom is one of those Catch 22s, where arriving at the Argent Way is so counterintuitive that you need someone of unsurpassed talent broad access to learning resources and yet nearly no guidance at their Yellow stage to set their Domain just right to work with it.

Especially when most founder types are strongly elementally inclined of necessity
 
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We have the greed statement to back that extensive mining was taking place. However it feels like you are really stretching what we know to back your ideas up. You are providing some really good and thought provoking quotes but combining them to such broad and and non cited comments that it can't help but raise red flags for me. I would never expect a full dissection of this topic with in depth research but even still your take on this matter seems like there are quite a few holes. Perhaps I am simply not reading what you are writing correctly. Therefore I will state my own take on the mystery of the Argent Vents, the Argent Sect, the history of the place and what we can do with that in order to have a good conversation and try to flesh out ideas but these things.

Before I dive into my take on these mystries I would like to ask some clafication from you.
What do you mean by spirit veins? Are they physical spirit stone lines or something like leylines?


First I agree with you Arkeus that there was a Clan living in these mountains. However I disagree with you on the aspect that this place was chosen and then Yuan He added the argent vents. Mined out spirit stone deposits simply do not seem that appealing when it comes to the location of a great sect. This place was chosen for a reason I believe that reason was the argent vents.

Vents are a very specific thing. According to the Webster dictionary a vent is something that allows the escape of a gas or liquid or the relief of pressure. I believe that there is something under these mountains and it is being forced up. I do not believe that these vents are result of recent research. We can see that all the argent arts benefit from access to argent vents by the increase in dice rolling. Further we know from our time in the outer sect that argent soul seems to quiver when near a vent "Ling Qi could feel an odd quivering in the 'skin' that had formed around her dantian when she advanced to the third stage of Argent Soul (Week 9)." It seem far more likely to me that the argent arts were built around these vents and to benefit from these vents then for these vents to be researched and then built for these arts. If you can find a quote that states the argent vents are a recent development (After the great sects were created or 450 years ago) then I would be more than willing to concede this point. However right now it just doesn't make sense to me to have an art almost physically react to something unless the relationship between the two is very deep and not at all recent.

It would also explain to me why the people living here prior to the sect would so aggressively mine spirit stones. The argent liquid and spirit stone outcroppings seem to be linked somehow. If the people wanted to get as much of this liquid as they could it would explain why they would mine so fast. I believe, without supporting text, that those people tried to get to that source. Perhaps they were destroyed by the nomads before they could find it. Perhaps they did find it and that is one of the great resources the sect has. Perhaps they dug to fast and too deep and ended like the dwarfs of Moria.

What does this mean for us though. If the sect used to be home to a clan (which I now firmly believe) then there well could be valuable loot lying around. While all of the best stuff would have been sized, either by the nomads or by the sect, secret hideouts could very well remain. I doubt that the sect has time to root out every little outpost. While there may not be much left hidden techniques or pill recipes could be sold for a great deal. In a more serious note though I doubt that this information would be of great help to us. It would provide us context and might let us help our friends more but anything worth a great deal is likely known by the sect already. If it is known by the sect then it is likely known by Xin and we have a map from Xin!

(So some more evidence that a clan lived here for a very long time is a quote from our outer sect advisor "The spirits of this land have been civilized by many millennia of effort." However, according to Yrs offical timeline the ogodei was slain about 498 years ago.)
You seem to be fusing two different quotes of me and saying one doesn't mean the other, which is obvious.

Yes, the sect having mined out spirit veins doesn't mean that the argent vent were created. The argent vent being created is another argument as to why Yuan He came later.

First, the argument of spirit mines being mined out is something we know from early on as I quoted. Then, there was also talk from @yrsillar in the first thread that it was considered to be bad planning/etc from the old custodians of the Emerald Sea. I can't remember if this is Shenhua or CRX or someone else saying this, but I know it was a point repeatedly brought up both instory in and inthread as WoG that the Emerald Sea squandered their ressources by overusing them and mining them out.

This argument is about how if it was the Yuan clan being here a long time ago, this speaks badly of them, and I suspect that for political reason it wouldn't be talked about that much there.

The second argument is that Argent Vents are a new, artifical set up: I might misremember things, but I recall it being mentioned a few times by @yrsillar that Argent Vents are things that are maintained and devised by Elders, and are one example of artificially created sites (though helped by where they are situated one veins) a clan can make to help their members.

By 'veins', I do mean in how spirit stones are apparently a ressources that grow thanks to how the world works, and they grow in specific places... but overmining means they grow slower.
 
I'm not disputing whether or not the Argent arts are good, because they are. I'm disputing that they're "neutral" when slotted into a domain. Everything we know about how arts are made (formed from a specific aspect of a cultivator's way) implies that "neutral" arts don't exist. As an example, I seriously doubt Meizhen would slot one of the Argent arts into her domain, precisely because it would mess up the terror-snek thing she has going.

As for your point about Argent Soul, it has nothing to do with the point I made since, as far as we know, you can't slot cultivation arts. (In fact, aside from the opportunity cost of the time spent to cultivate them, having more cultivation arts is just better. We should hit up the sect library for a bunch of 'em)

Of course Meizhen wouldn't do that, because it's beneath her--she has access to whatever synergistic Ducal level Arts she wants--and even now, we're getting her noting in her PoV bits that she might be reconsidering stacking everything on "FEAR ME" because it leads to awkward social interactions with people who aren't the two or three people who don't count in terms for targeting.

The information we got when getting a quick "Hey, what do these actually do" lesson towards the end of Book One straight up says that they're solid Domain material and adapt better than most Arts to the user's intentions. It only starts becoming an Investment once you go beyond the basic set and needs to be built around. And since then, we've also had confirmation that the Argent Sect introductory Arts are Count level.

We're not exactly rolling in an unlimited supply of Count+ level stuff to put in our Domain here. Sure, we should carefully note everything we master and not slot in just based on their tier--but we also shouldn't shy away if we think a given Domain Lesson is a good one to internalize because we think the Art is bad.

Always read the Lesson, that's the important take-away to decide if it needs to be slotted or not.
 
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Of course Meizhen wouldn't do that, because it's beneath her--she has access to whatever synergistic Ducal level Arts she wants--and even now, we're getting her noting in her PoV bits that she might be reconsidering stacking everything on "FEAR ME" because it leads to awkward social interactions with people who aren't the two or three people who don't count in terms for targeting.

The information we got when getting a quick "Hey, what do these actually do" lesson towards the end of Book One straight up says that they're solid Domain material and adapt better than most Arts to the user's intentions. It only starts becoming an Investment once you go beyond the basic set and needs to be built around. And since we've had confirmation that the Argent Sect introductory Arts are Count level.

Well, we're not exactly rolling in an unlimited supply of Count+ level stuff to put in our Domain. Sure, we should carefully note everything we master and not slot in just based on their tier--but we also shouldn't shy away if we think a given Domain Lesson is a good one to internalize.
Here is the actual quote, so that we don't talk at cross purpose:
The Argent Arts, she had learned, were ultimately pieces of a greater whole, created by the Sect Master to improve the military might of the Sect's armed forces. The Mirror was meant to defend against the battlefield manipulation of barbarian shaman's whose wide ranging arts allowed them to never set foot on the battlefield itself. The Storm empowered the soldiery, allowing them to both defend against volleys of arrows and to close distance, and the Current allowed the charge of Argent Peak soldiers to break enemy lines.

The Argent Pulse, then, was an art for commanders, those who stood at the head of formations and kept units working as a cohesive whole. The user would bolster their allies with the stability of the earth, and move them to action with the surety of heavenly might at their backs. In the wholeness of heaven and earth, a soldier could fight to their last breath without a loss of skill.

They also served to offer relatively easy development to new domains, though the precise nature of the growth they offered would vary much from person to person, depending on what they took from arts in question.
So, we haven't got confirmation the introductory arts are count level, in fact we have confirmation it's for the soldiery and @yrsillar said multiple times that the general quality of Argent Art have a sharp jump with the successors. HOWEVER, we also got confirmation that quality of arts might not matter that much when it comes to domain slotting (though It seems to me it should matter).

Now, I don't consider "offer relatively easy development to new domains, though the precise nature of the growth they offered would vary much from person to person, depending on what they took from arts in question." As "they are better than most at seeing one's intention". You might say they are not worse than most, but Argent Arts still have keywords that go in specific directions, and one should actually look at the keyword to tell if they are lessons we might want. It's the PRECISE nature of the slot that will change, after all, not the general direction.
AC keywords said:
Keywords: Balanced, Fire, Presence, Unity, Unarmed, Water, War
AS keywords said:
Keywords: Balanced, Dodge, Dexterity, Motion, Thunder, Wind, Wits
From those and our own understand of Ling Qi, it might be worth thinking what one might get if we finish them.

Something to keep in mind is that once we get to use GSS, AC should take 1 action, and AS 2 actions. So we have to decide if slotting those particular arts are worth the actions, or whether we want to slot them at all if they were free actions.

Personally, I think they are very bad arts to slot, especially as we are going to have a lot of other arts to slot soon, given our arts complete much earlier than we thought. Those really don't fit where I, at least, want Ling Qi to go domain wise, and it's especially dangerous to go slotting a lot of arts that go in a specific non-Ling Qi way before we slot anything that actually fit her.
 
Well, I was going to say something, but Arkeus basically covered it. All arts have a specific lesson, and thus, none are neutral. The "relatively easy development" bit seems more about the fact that they all finish at Green 1 than anything else.
 
Yes, the sect having mined out spirit veins doesn't mean that the argent vent were created. The argent vent being created is another argument as to why Yuan He came later.
One of my arguments against the artificial nature of the vents are the mined out spirit veins. Since the spirit veins are mined out what value is here on these mountains? Why would a sect be placed here and not somewhere else? It could be strategic but given the massive amount of land that the wall seems to take and the speed of cultivators a fixed strategic location does not seem super important. If a sect is a place of learning it would make sense to be place in a resources rich spot in order to improve the children under their care. The spirit stones have been mined out here which gives an excellent ambient qi to improve in. Would that be enough though? It is my belief that the argent vents are an old part of these mountains that were either caused by the Yuan clan or drew the Yuan clan.

Honestly I have no memory of Yrs saying the vents are artificial. Maybe he told you that in a private P.M but I have no memory of that statement being made in the thread. I did a quick search of the word-of-god archive on the discord and could not find anything even closely related to the nature of the vents. I then searched FOD thread with the key word of argent vent and and upper bound of 1000 words and still did not find anything. I honestly do not know where you got that idea from. I feel like if such a thing was mentioned in a story thread it would be a much bigger deal and kick start a large conversation but I can't find anything like that. If you do have a source for the idea of the argent vents being artificial please share.
 
It's worth noting that spirit stone veins do replenish over time, though it's implied that over harvesting significantly damages their rate of recovery.

As for whether Argent Vents are artificial, it's basically irrelevant and stupid to argue over, but also a longstanding player theory which is not unreasonable.
 
Honestly I have no memory of Yrs saying the vents are artificial. Maybe he told you that in a private P.M but I have no memory of that statement being made in the thread. I did a quick search of the word-of-god archive on the discord and could not find anything even closely related to the nature of the vents. I then searched FOD thread with the key word of argent vent and and upper bound of 1000 words and still did not find anything. I honestly do not know where you got that idea from. I feel like if such a thing was mentioned in a story thread it would be a much bigger deal and kick start a large conversation but I can't find anything like that. If you do have a source for the idea of the argent vents being artificial please share.
I am now thinking I might be misremembering, because I have also been looking at where exactly it was said. It is possible that, as @AbeoLogos mentioned, it is a long held theory that I somehow assumed was confirmed.

It has kickstarted a lot of conversation before though :D
 
"There are a handful of such sites on every one of the sects mountains. This mountain has the smallest and least potent deposits. It is why the Sect is located here. At least on this mountain, they are hidden as prizes for enterprising disciples," Bai Meizhen replied. "I had thought I was on the path to one of them, but I had not been able to penetrate the illusory formation around it."
From the sound of it they are a natural thing? Week 10
 
Here is the actual quote, so that we don't talk at cross purpose:
So, we haven't got confirmation the introductory arts are count level, in fact we have confirmation it's for the soldiery and @yrsillar said multiple times that the general quality of Argent Art have a sharp jump with the successors. HOWEVER, we also got confirmation that quality of arts might not matter that much when it comes to domain slotting (though It seems to me it should matter).

Now, I don't consider "offer relatively easy development to new domains, though the precise nature of the growth they offered would vary much from person to person, depending on what they took from arts in question." As "they are better than most at seeing one's intention". You might say they are not worse than most, but Argent Arts still have keywords that go in specific directions, and one should actually look at the keyword to tell if they are lessons we might want. It's the PRECISE nature of the slot that will change, after all, not the general direction.


From those and our own understand of Ling Qi, it might be worth thinking what one might get if we finish them.

Something to keep in mind is that once we get to use GSS, AC should take 1 action, and AS 2 actions. So we have to decide if slotting those particular arts are worth the actions, or whether we want to slot them at all if they were free actions.

Personally, I think they are very bad arts to slot, especially as we are going to have a lot of other arts to slot soon, given our arts complete much earlier than we thought. Those really don't fit where I, at least, want Ling Qi to go domain wise, and it's especially dangerous to go slotting a lot of arts that go in a specific non-Ling Qi way before we slot anything that actually fit her.

I agree with the conclusion at least.
Argent Storm and Argent Current are pretty unlikely to be strong domain slotting candidates. Argent Current being a somewhat stronger fit for Home than Argent Storm(which fits a Thief) based on keywords.
This however, has nothing to do with their nature as an Argent Art nor the level of the art, as Argent Mirror's keywords and message fit in quite well.

I do still want to finish them though.
 
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I think we shouldn't rush to believe what is true for Argent Cultivation Art to be true for specific Argent Arts. I mean, it's plausible that, say, the combat Argent Art we know of were the basic arts taught by Yuan He's clan to their red/yellow armies, but it's not necessary.

Still, Argent Genesis giving dice to Argent Cultivation does apply that the concept of Argent Art as such existed beforehand.
I'm basing my entire thing off this line and the imperial timeline.

Created by the ancestors of Sect Head Yuan He and polished to perfection under his eye.

-450BP: Great Sect system put in place, granting imperial patronage to certain Sects.
-490BP: Ministry of Integrity established
-498BP: Yuan He corners and slays the Great Khan Ogodei
-500BP: Great Khan Ogodei invades Emerald Seas
-550BP: Cloud Tribe aggression mounts, clans in the foothills of the wall begin decline, and receive no centralized aid.

Along with the recitation of the current extant clans from the first thread when Ling Qi was training in the laser lightshow with Renxiang. I would thus presume that the lower level Argent Sect Arts; Argent Soul, Current, Storm, and Mirror were in place and ready to be taught before the Sect system was fully formed.

Not a lot of point teaching a half finished curriculum right, especially when the Argent arts are used to teach the Argent Sect's army.
 
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Turn 1: Arc 1 Settling Routines
"It's good to see you again, Li Suyin," Ling Qi greeted her friend brightly as they met among the crowd heading to the earliest of the Elders freely given lessons. Ling Qi thought it would be wise to attend every Elder's lesson at least once, to show respect and see what knowledge was on offer.

Her friend smiled back at her a touch nervously. Li Suyin had begun to grow her powder blue hair out again, and it now reached her shoulders. She shapeless smock she had taken to wearing in her workshop had been replaced with a gown of pale green silk with gold trim. Only the geometrically patterned eyepatch she wore remained the same. "You as well Ling Qi," she greeted politely. "Congratulations on placing so highly in the tournament."

"I could say the same to you," Ling Qi said cheerfully, glancing around at the other disciples, most looked to be only a bit older than them, but there were a scattering of people who looked a bit older as well. In as much as cultivators bore the marks of early aging anyway. "Where do I put my order in for one of your talismans anyway?"

Li Suyin's expression grew bashful. "A-ah, well I should have the first production batch done in a month or so? I will be sure to give you one then."

Ling Qi opened her mouth to protest but a pointed look from her one eyed friend made her close it again. She supposed she didn't have any right to complain about charity. Li Suyin blanched then, her face growing pale. Her reaction was mirrored in a rippling wave through the crowd.

"Good Morning Ling Qi," her friend, Bai Meizhen's voice reached her ears, and Ling Qi turned to find her best friend moving through a wide gap in the crowd, with the same smooth, gliding grace that she always had. Her golden-slit pupiled eyes moved disinterestedly over the disciples gathered before focusing on Ling Qi. "I hope your move has found you well."

"The ceiling is a little low," Ling Qi grumbled, to which Meizhen responded with a raised eyebrow. The pale girl was a full head shorter than her after all. "But I am satisfied, for now," she added cheekily.

"Good morning Miss Bai," Li Suyin greeted timidly from beside her, determined to be polite even while struggling under Bai Meizhen's heavy aura of terror.

Bai Meizhen glanced at her, and gave a shallow nod. "Good Morning," she replied, not unkindly, but with clear disinterest. "Ling Qi, is Cai Renxiang not attending this lecture?"

"She remains busy," Ling Qi replied apologetically. "I will be taking notes for her though," she added, holding up the lacquered case of writing utensils provided for the task.

Meizhen's lips quirked up slightly, and even Li Suyin gave a nervous laugh. "I had wondered when it was that you had decided to be a scholar," Meizhen said dryly.

Ling Qi laughed in reply as they resumed walking toward the lecture area, chatting with her friends. Well chatting with Meizhen, Li Suyin still seemed too nervous to speak up. It was nice. Could she have imagined a year ago that she could walk around with a straight back, and her head held high in a crowd like this?

Putting aside her musings the Elder's venue of choice was no lecture hall. Rather the path lead her and the other disciples into an expansive stone grotto, with a softly bubbling pool at its rear, lit by innumerable softly glowing balls of light scattered across the artfully shaped ceiling. The grotto had clearly never been touched by an artisan's chisel, but it was also clearly shaped artificially all the same. Regular sloping stone benches rose from the mossy ground in concentric half- circles radiating out from the pool at the center, broken here and there by lanes for passage.

Ling Qi and Bai Meizhen took seats near the center, while Li Suyin parted from them with a hurried bow to seat herself nearer the front. Seating herself, Ling Qi was glad that her borrowed writing case unfolded into a tray that could be laid across the lap, as the benches offered no writing surface.

She spent a few more minutes of idle chat with Meizhen as the rest of the disciples filtered in, but soon enough she fell silent as she felt the pressure of a great presence from the center of the room.

The light dimmed, and luminous mist rose from the bubbling pool at the grotto's center, quickly resolving into the shape of a man. The figure that resolved itself from the mist was ancient… and a little unsettling.

The Elder, clad in plain silver robes without ornamentation, was more visibly old than any cultivator Ling Qi had ever seen. His wispy, snow white hair spilled down to his shoulders, matching the long, carefully groomed beard that hung to his waist . His face was a labyrinth of wrinkles, and his eyes had the milky cast of a man blind with age… although a luminous amber light burned in his pupils regardless.

Most unsettlingly, he seemed… not all there, at regular intervals, slow pulses of light traveled through his form, outlining his bones in radiance while his flesh seemed to fade into mist. It felt like she was looking at a ghost.

"Forget one foot in the grave, that guy is already lying down,"Sixiang laughed in her head, drawing a hurried mental shush from Ling Qi, who knew if the Elder could hear her.

The Elder had appeared from the mist seated in a lotus position, hovering a few centimeters above the surface of the water, and for a long minute, he regarded the gathered disciples in silence, stern, heavily wrinkled features giving way to a skeletal rictus before fading back in, only for the cycle to repeat.

"I am Elder Hua Heng," The Elder's voice was dry and scratchy, as if from long disuse, and echoed as if rising from the bottom of a deep hole. "My final years are upon me. I have chosen to spend them spreading knowledge to new generations, be grateful," he spoke bluntly but not in a clipped tone, despite the scratchiness of his voice he had the cadence of a professional lecturer.

"You will not speak while I am lecturing, nor interrupt in any way," he continued without pause. "There will be a time allotted for questions at the end of the session. Am I understood?"

The chorus of confirmation from the disciples seemed satisfactory to Elder Heng.

"Then allow me to begin the lecture on advanced qi theory," he began smoothly as the last voices fell silent. "You are, each and every one of you a cultivator who has either reached the third realm or will in the near future. A significant number of you will even achieve the fourth, or perhaps higher realms. As such, it is important to ground yourself in the deeper lore of how qi functions. The simple pattern imitation of lower realms will not avail you as you advance toward the peak of the third realm and beyond," Ling Qi carefully transcribed his every word, her brush flying across the page with a speed and grace that would have been impossible for her mere months ago.

"The first piece of knowledge that you must scribe into your mind is that qi is fundamental to all things," As the ghostly man spoke, ribbons of water rose from the water beneath him, twining around his seated form in an intricate display of control. "It is the clay from which we were shaped by the hands of Those Who Were, and it is the true form of all things. The earth and the sky are composed of qi, as is the flame and the heavenly bolt."

The mist and the waters shaped themselves above and around the Elder, shaping a scene of two indistinct but titanic figures locked in battle with innumerable things of terrible shape. "However, this world is impure. Stained by the blood and essence of those who sought our destruction ere the world was born, it is riddled with toxin and corruption. Age, disease, all the maladies of the mortal condition are born from this impurity. The art of cultivation then, is expelling ever more of this impurity, until the body and soul are fully cleansed," his scratchy voice rang out over the silent grotto as the shapes in the water and mist faded, splashing back into the pool.

"It is a task beyond the vast majority of us," He continued dryly, gesturing to himself. "All things in this world are composed of qi and impurities, and straining out the whole of the latter is a task only the most talented may ever accomplish."

Ling Qi nodded along as she copied down his words, it had not been laid out clearly to her, but she had picked up the gist of this.

"This truth then, leads to our subject matter proper. Arts are exercises and patterns of qi which bring about certain effects. Once created and refined, they may be copied by the less talented or powerful to shape the world according to the method of the arts creator. This is accomplished by expelling qi through the shaped channels carved by your efforts through the morass of corruption which separates the soul from the physical world. The exact shape of the channel and numerous other factors determine the effect., but also limit the number of patterns a cultivator is capable of making use of," Elder Heng continued. "Over time, carving new channels becomes nearly impossible, while the complexity of the patterns needed for powerful arts continues to rise."

Ling Qi had worried over this quite a bit, as she grew better at puzzling out the requirements for her arts.

"However, the patterns used in arts are just that, structures designed to create an effect. In the third realm, a cultivator has the potency of spirit to shape these flows more directly, and personalize them for greater efficiency. In the end, no pattern made by another will match one cultivated and tailored to oneself in that regard. The focus of my lectures then, will be in giving you the tools to do so for yourselves, going forward," he raised one hand, ina gesture for them to pause. "However. It is unwise to attempt to reshape your meridians before the Threshold Stage of Green Soul. Until you reach this level, do not attempt direct manipulation of meridians. Until that time, satisfy yourself with simply making your arts more efficient."

Ling Qi leaned forward eagerly as the Elder continued to speak, launching into an explanation on the meditative exercises one could perform to discover and refine the inefficiencies in an art one practiced.

Efficiency Upgrades Unlocked for next turn.
Arts which have two or more meridians of the same type may now be made more efficient by combining two of it's meridians of the same category. This type of cultivation is considered a meridian roll and requires a number of successes equal to five times the number of meridians used for the art. However each efficiency upgrade past the first increases the successes required by 20. Only arts which are mastered may be made more efficient.

More advanced forms may be unlocked later

After the lesson, Ling Qi must decide what to do next.

[] Visit Gu Xiulan, she did not see her at the lesson.
[] Visit Li Suyin's workshop, if she will allow it. Ling Qi was curious about her project.
[] Cai Renxiang was not expecting her back until later, but Ling Qi could check in on her.
 
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[X] Visit Gu Xiulan, she did not see her at the lesson.

Can't remember if there is a time before we vote but here mine is.
 
Too bad Xiulan missed the lecture.

I'm sure she has more than a few Arm-Arm-Arm arts that technique would work well with.
Adhoc vote count started by OneArmedYeti on Nov 13, 2018 at 8:20 PM, finished with 161 posts and 92 votes.
 
Okay, that's important info. If two meridians are merged into one, does this allow us to recreate the meridian?

I.e if we have 34 meridians and merge 2, our number becomes 33. Do we then make a roll for the 34th meridian again or move along to the 35th?

[X] Visit Gu Xiulan, she did not see her at the lesson.
 
[X] Visit Gu Xiulan, she did not see her at the lesson.

Will be nice seeing her again.

Still that meridian folding will be nice to have.
 
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