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No need to be so defensive, bud.
Game of the Year: A Naruto Quest
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No need to be so defensive, bud.
Khepri14
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...I wasn't though? I was just remarking that one set of circumstances(Torture) is not equivalent to the other(Hot lady smiling and nodding at you).
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Tone of Discord is 100 xp from being Mastered. The range of effects it should produce at that level should be interesting, considering it can already do mild emotional manipulation at Intermediate.
It's been a few pages so some might have lost it,
For the current low exp shortlist:
and for skills that people are interested in levelling for other reasons:
For the current low exp shortlist:
Disable Device: Simple (150/200)
Henge no Jutsu (Ninjutsu): Basic (420/500)
Yin Release: Tone of Discord: Advanced (900/1000)
Appraise: Simple (100/200)
Beastmastery: Untrained (020/100)
Henge no Jutsu (Ninjutsu): Basic (420/500)
Yin Release: Tone of Discord: Advanced (900/1000)
Appraise: Simple (100/200)
Beastmastery: Untrained (020/100)
Perform: Adept (590/800)
Linguistics: Practiced (250/400)
Disguise: Practiced (250/400)
Reserves: Above Average (980/1300) - achievement
Linguistics: Practiced (250/400)
Disguise: Practiced (250/400)
Reserves: Above Average (980/1300) - achievement
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To put my two cents in on the issue of elemental alignment: I'd rather we didn't decide it at all, let alone right now. If Vesvius ends up deciding to put it to vote (...you pour your chakra into the alignment paper and it... [] sets on fire [] gets cut up etc...) then so be it, but I think we should just take what we get rather than try to buy up alignments/perks with Omake XP or whatever.
I'm sure that, whatever element we end up getting, we'll figure out a way to make it work - so there's no real need to argue about it. We've already seen what Wind and Lightning can do for kenjutsu in the series proper, and I'm sure Fire, Water and Earth will be capable of doing something equally as impressive should we get them.
I'm sure that, whatever element we end up getting, we'll figure out a way to make it work - so there's no real need to argue about it. We've already seen what Wind and Lightning can do for kenjutsu in the series proper, and I'm sure Fire, Water and Earth will be capable of doing something equally as impressive should we get them.
Personally I'd rather go for being one of the Twelve Guardian Ninja. Just something different to the norm, y'know?
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Jounin Consideration by Katsuragi
Katsuragi
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@Vesvius
You are Sarutobi Hiruzen, and you find yourself a bit annoyed. Only a bit, because you're old and generally appreciate the antics of youth as they tend to indicate a happy and healthy society that has time for such things.
"So as you can see." The fishnet clad special jounin in front of you continues on, gesturing enthusiastically to a board that she's hung a number of documents to. "I'm entirely ready to take on a Genin team and will definitely do a fantastic job acclimating them to shinobi life and raising them properly!"
You nod, allowing a puff of smoke to drift out of your mouth. "That's quite the impressive presentation, Anko. However, there's a few problems with your request."
She pouts slightly, and you continue. "The primary of which being that only full Jounin are permitted to take on Genin teams."
She grins. "Well that's easy enough. You just need to..."
"I'm not giving you a promotion so you can take on a team."
One her lips quirk downwards in a slightly frown. "Special dispensation, then?"
You inhale another lung full of smoke, giving her time to fidget before responding. "That is technically possible..."
You gesture at her with your pipe. "But should I when I have a record number of proper Jounin to consider?"
"Well!" She says, enthusiasm bouncing back. "As you can see on page 3, here, I have an extraordinary amount of studying under someone regarded as one of the best learned Shibobi in the modern era."
"Ah yes." You allow a look of thought to cross your face, and then a slow raising of an eyebrow. "That was Oorochimaru, I believe?" Of course you know this, and you know that she knows that you know this, but you're both playing the polite dance on this pleasant day.
"Yup!"
"The Sannin."
"Not many people that know more about things than them!"
You nod. It was a valid point. However. "The missing nin?"
"Mhm."
"The man widely regarded as perhaps being the worst traitor to our village."
"That would be my old sensei, yes."
You sigh. "Anko, you're not doing much to sell yourself on this point." If she wasn't even going to bother trying...
She blinks slowly. "You don't seem in any hurry to reject me out of hand yourself."
You nod and murmur in agreement, enjoying your pipe. "Unrelated to anything that we're currently discussing, after our meeting I have to go back into reading applications for over a dozen different Jounin. And after that, I have to start interviewing them, and I expect some of that to be quite heated between them as they squabble over getting a team. Problem with having so many of the heirs and particularly promising students coming up in the same class."
You tap your pipe, your look inquiring without need of words from you.
"Well, also entirely unrelated to our discussion, we're currently short on Genin teams until the graduating class pops in, so they're desperately assigning D ranked assignments to anyone they can get their hands on, including Special Jounin." She absently rubs the back of her right hand with is sporting claw marks easily recognizable as a certain cats.
"It would seem." You reply calmly. "That we both have a lot of less than pleasant work that we need to be getting on with when we finish here."
She nods slowly. "That does seem to be the case..."
You calmly continue. "And if I felt that you weren't taking this meeting seriously, I would be forced to dismiss you and attend to other things."
She has an understanding gleam to her eye. "I see. Should I make an impassioned start back from the top, or was there a point in my presentation you would like me to cover in more detail?"
You mull that over for a moment, now that things have gotten back on track. "I believe that it would be best if you would elaborate on "I've seen that Daisuke kid and his mother, and kid is going to need all the help he can get from one extremely attractive individual to another," if you would."
She grins and launches back into regaling you with how she's the best option for that particular Genin. You can't actually allow this to carry on for too much longer, unfortunately, but you're enjoying the provided break from the headache that is this year's assignments all the same.
Hm. If you did go ahead and give her a dispensation and slot in Daisuke to her, it would save you a fair amount of headache going forwards....
You ruefully shake your head. Probably not, though.
"So as you can see." The fishnet clad special jounin in front of you continues on, gesturing enthusiastically to a board that she's hung a number of documents to. "I'm entirely ready to take on a Genin team and will definitely do a fantastic job acclimating them to shinobi life and raising them properly!"
You nod, allowing a puff of smoke to drift out of your mouth. "That's quite the impressive presentation, Anko. However, there's a few problems with your request."
She pouts slightly, and you continue. "The primary of which being that only full Jounin are permitted to take on Genin teams."
She grins. "Well that's easy enough. You just need to..."
"I'm not giving you a promotion so you can take on a team."
One her lips quirk downwards in a slightly frown. "Special dispensation, then?"
You inhale another lung full of smoke, giving her time to fidget before responding. "That is technically possible..."
You gesture at her with your pipe. "But should I when I have a record number of proper Jounin to consider?"
"Well!" She says, enthusiasm bouncing back. "As you can see on page 3, here, I have an extraordinary amount of studying under someone regarded as one of the best learned Shibobi in the modern era."
"Ah yes." You allow a look of thought to cross your face, and then a slow raising of an eyebrow. "That was Oorochimaru, I believe?" Of course you know this, and you know that she knows that you know this, but you're both playing the polite dance on this pleasant day.
"Yup!"
"The Sannin."
"Not many people that know more about things than them!"
You nod. It was a valid point. However. "The missing nin?"
"Mhm."
"The man widely regarded as perhaps being the worst traitor to our village."
"That would be my old sensei, yes."
You sigh. "Anko, you're not doing much to sell yourself on this point." If she wasn't even going to bother trying...
She blinks slowly. "You don't seem in any hurry to reject me out of hand yourself."
You nod and murmur in agreement, enjoying your pipe. "Unrelated to anything that we're currently discussing, after our meeting I have to go back into reading applications for over a dozen different Jounin. And after that, I have to start interviewing them, and I expect some of that to be quite heated between them as they squabble over getting a team. Problem with having so many of the heirs and particularly promising students coming up in the same class."
You tap your pipe, your look inquiring without need of words from you.
"Well, also entirely unrelated to our discussion, we're currently short on Genin teams until the graduating class pops in, so they're desperately assigning D ranked assignments to anyone they can get their hands on, including Special Jounin." She absently rubs the back of her right hand with is sporting claw marks easily recognizable as a certain cats.
"It would seem." You reply calmly. "That we both have a lot of less than pleasant work that we need to be getting on with when we finish here."
She nods slowly. "That does seem to be the case..."
You calmly continue. "And if I felt that you weren't taking this meeting seriously, I would be forced to dismiss you and attend to other things."
She has an understanding gleam to her eye. "I see. Should I make an impassioned start back from the top, or was there a point in my presentation you would like me to cover in more detail?"
You mull that over for a moment, now that things have gotten back on track. "I believe that it would be best if you would elaborate on "I've seen that Daisuke kid and his mother, and kid is going to need all the help he can get from one extremely attractive individual to another," if you would."
She grins and launches back into regaling you with how she's the best option for that particular Genin. You can't actually allow this to carry on for too much longer, unfortunately, but you're enjoying the provided break from the headache that is this year's assignments all the same.
Hm. If you did go ahead and give her a dispensation and slot in Daisuke to her, it would save you a fair amount of headache going forwards....
You ruefully shake your head. Probably not, though.
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I know, but we'll need to dedicate XP for that. The rewards of spending ~500 XP on the tech to get it ready for battle use aren't really very good at all. We could use the time required to train to 500 XP in a much better way.
Yeah, but if that's the case all shinobi villages should be training high level courtesans for infiltration missions. Many spies in old times did that.
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please be canon, please be canon!
Tokei's Face by Gigaplex
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But...why did you draw Hiashi with a different hairstyle and pupils?
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I didnt use Hiashi as a reference. I gave Tokei that kind of eyes because Hanzo and another two sword guy had those eye shape. In my initial concept, he had quite a broad face but I slimmed him down and gave him grey hair because Daisuke commented he looked old just before he killed him.
Khepri14
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And yet, you want to dump more exp into the very basic bunshin technique, rather than just go for the straight upgrade? I mean, really, that is an utter waste of XP, considering like I have already mentioned, any experienced combatant is going to easily see through a basic bunshin no matter what due to the lack of shadow, lack of smell, lack of weight, lack of footprints, etc... And so, we'll inevitably need to upgrade to better techniques in order to fight on the level expected of us.
Experienced Genin(Like Gai's team) will easily be able to handle the basic bunshin anyways, so I don't understand why you expect "adding" an element to such a basic, obvious, and easily avoided/ignored technique to be better than simply going for the stronger clone techniques. At least Earth and Water Clones have a physical presence, which makes it harder for people to differentiate between the clone and the actual person.
Again, this falls under the differences. But this time, between shinobi/civilian and home/mission. Shinobi know how to look for and read spies/enemy shinobi/"courtesans", so they'll have their guard up. But Minami/Mom is a civilian, so she's not a threat(and she is a member of Konoha(Which is home) with a kid as nin there), meaning he can let his guard down(But never truly down) around civvies. And then he was at home in Konoha with tons of allied nins in the area, meaning his guard was further relaxed. If he was on a mission, far away and a girl/woman tried to do the same, he'd have his guard up to either ignore it or be suspicious of her.
Also, you're forgetting to take into account that any courtesans within Konoha are going to be thoroughly vetted for ties and spying and the like, plus they'd have to risk angry nins with chakra who are able to easily kill them when they'd have none themselves to defend themselves with(And before you point to Jiraya, remember, all the escorts that he met were never at or in ninja villages). And any courtesans with chakra will be promptly dragged into T&I to find out who they are, what ties they have to which village(s), why they even have chakra, etc...
Far easier to do as Orochimaru did and just insert flunkies into the ninja corps, which only really worked as well as it did due to his prior knowledge of Konoha and how Sarutobi worked. Or do as Jiraiya does and simply rely on information from surrounding areas that aren't the ninja capital of their respective lands.
Tl;dr: You're forgetting chakra, chakra sensors, chakra detection seals/spheres(See Pain throwing Animal Path into Konoha), and it throws everything out of wack. So courtesan training for spies wouldn't work. And as for Ibiki, he was on home ground, amongst fellow nins, confronted by a civilian that he could easily kill within seconds of she actually meant any threat to his life(somehow), so his guard was simply down.
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No, I want to use basic Clone for this because we already have it at max level. As in, we literally cannot dump more XP into basic Clone even if we want to, which is why I want to use it instead of others.
We can also use it in ways others can't, explicitly. So instead of wasting the time to level Earth clone or whatever, actually use the technique we already mastered.
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k bud, just seemed like it.
The clone debate reminds me. I don't get the reason for leveling clone bunshin, but I suppose it can be useful. Personally, I think leveling our attributes is a better way to spend the XP, but it's not mine to spend so whatever.
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You want Daisuke to be taught by Anko? What did he do to you that would make you want that, shit in your breakfast?
Everyone (except for Lee) has chakra, most people just wouldn't have very much or be able to access it. And while I agree that a courtesan with access to their chakra and/or large reserves would be suspicious, I can think of a fair few scenarios in which non-ninja might have one or both of those - some rich fucker getting theirs unlocked out of a flight of fancy, someone born into a Ninja clan with Ninja Clan-tier reserves who decided not to go into the Ninja clan profession, pure luck... I do agree that making courtesan-spies/assassins isn't the best way to do things in the Narutoverse, though.
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I agree we need a legendary teachers sutch as Gaku Inuzuka and Chen. I'm only half joking I wouldn't mind having Chen as our sensei the guys supposedly Taijutsu legend.
Khepri14
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You literally just said that you wanted to add an element to the basic bunshin, which means making a (really shitty) subskill*, which means throwing more XP into the basic bunshin! You can argue semantics that it's throwing XP into the subskill, but it still affects the basic bunshin, so it's still throwing XP into the bunshin. I don't understand what's so hard for you to understand about why it's a bad idea, nor do I get why you are so attached to it. I've already explained time and time again, that it's a horrible skill to use in actual fights, easily noticed and avoided by any experienced combatant, needs a ton more work to actually make combat viable** rather than an enemy noticing it's a basic illusory bunshin and just avoiding it, etc...
Seriously, you're asking for a substandard (sub)skill and claiming that it's better, than the already made Clone techniques out there, when at least those clones wouldn't be so easily seen through! And you keep making a big deal about getting 500 XP into a new clone skill, when people have already easily dumped 640 XP alone into the very basic illusory clone technique(And more besides), so I'm also not seeing the problem there.
You're just looking for some magic bullet in a very basic technique for some reason or are so convinced that your idea is right when the clone techniques out there are better for a reason. And what you essentially want is already easily accomplished by the Earth/Water(Etc...) Clones and we're still going to need to get such a technique in the future, so I don't get why you're so against it***.
*If @Vesvius even allows it to happen.
**And no, that doesn't mean somehow adding an element to an illusory technique. That means covering for every little weakness of the basic bunshin so that the enemy thinks it's legitimately you in every way. Not just appearance, but smell, air displacement, weight displacement/footprints, shadow(which you must take into account the time of day, where you are in relation to the sun, and thus, the shadow's direction), etc...
***If this is some weird need to prove that you can be a hard ninja with just the basic 3 like some shitty fanfics put out, I want no part in it.
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Lee has chakra he just has no talent or a condition that makes external chakra use difficult not impossible difficult.
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Charisma rolls into superhuman at 1300xp not 1000xp you are thinking of techs.
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You misunderstood me. I'm not saying it rolls into superhuman at 1000xp.
I'm saying that 60 xp brought Charisma to 1000 xp.
That means it was at 940 xp before.
If you look at the skill list you'll notice that Charisma is now at 900xp.
My question is if we lost 40xp due to an error or not.
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Khepri14
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Lee has chakra, but he just can't really utilize it externally to any really useful degree. IIRC, he can Tree and Water walk and that's it when it comes to external uses.
And yes, everyone has chakra, but I should've been more clear and said, "chakra above the level of the average civilian" or "unlocked chakra" since civilians have no way of really using chakra unless it's "unlocked".
And I think it's really hard for kids in a Ninja clan to not become ninjas unless they have a defect or become so injured that they are useless as a Ninja. They might become *shudders* Desk Chunins, but they're still ninjas.
As for a rich fucker getting their chakra unlocked, unless they got it done as a kid, they won't get much out of it and it doesn't mean that their kids will have unlocked chakra right out of the gate.
But yes, courtesans in a ninja village spying on them is going to be extremely hard/downright impossible with chakra involved.