The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

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    Votes: 593 80.4%
  • No

    Votes: 145 19.6%

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Areatha has a 50-75 chance of killing Turoq while the strike forces has a 80 percent chance.
For a grand total of an of 5%-30% bonus to killing turoq while leaving the tens of billions chaotic invaders unmolested.

Not worth it.

Even with areathra, turoq is more likely to die than not die. And we're having trouble because we can only use so much reinforcements before the dark mech switch targets. Which is why the eldar reinforcement is more valuable.

There's no indication that headcapping turoq will cause his force to devolve into infighting quickly enough to help with this attack. Even if it does, it's more likely to split into multiple raiding parties like the angel of betrayal's fleet.

The dark mech won't be overly hampered by this kind of attack.

The threat of turoq is likely to end when this invasion fails. He'll probally die to areathra, and if he suicides he'll be stuck in the warp for up to a century, heavily in favor debt, and fending off rivals while we build up.

Meanwhile, if we headcap him, then we still have to fight the invasion force, and while we're recovering we're going to have to deal with waagh tugozak.

The benefits of warhost vs strikeforce are entirely disproportionate.
 
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Ah, my plan with carefully micromanaged fleet numbers was dastardly stolen while I slept! Well, whatever. @Enjou, while you're at it, add two Varangian Scout Companies to Asgard so that 399 doesn't bother me.
@Durin, just for my interest and understanding, would there be any problems with those fleet numbers?
Fleet - 30 points.
- Dreadnought - 4 points
- 2 Command Battleships - 2 points
- 40 Battleships - 8 points
- 50 Capital Squadrons - 10 points
- 30 Escort Flotillas - 6 points.

Fleet - 50 points
- Dreadnought - 4 points
- 2 Command Battleships - 2 points
- 30 Battleships - 6 points
- 150 Capital Squadrons - 30 points
- 80 Escort Flotillas - 8 points
[X] Spend Eldar Minor Favour for Warhost and seers to reinforce the core battles
 
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[X] Spend Eldar Minor Favour for Warhost
[X] Plan Force Distribution 1.0

Revoting.

Although Turoq's attack on the colonies become much less scary if the strike force, say, massively damages all of Turoq's psykers. Or at least the better ones. Then Arathea can clean up.
 
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[X] Spend Eldar Minor Favour for Warhost and seers to reinforce the core battles.
[X] Plan Force Distribution 1.0

Anyone know what forces this leaves the Colonies?

@Durin
1. With the 1.0 plan how well defended does it leave the colonies?
 
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Is it needed for the Warhost to detech it's seers if the battles are staggered to not happen simultaneously anyway?
 
Does "Spend Eldar Minor Favour for Warhost and seers to reinforce the core battles" mean reinforcing the Core World battles, while leaving Turoq be? Because we really don't need that. We need Turoq dead or at least his forces dealt with. Honestly ya'll should just vote for the vanilla Warhost. Let the Eldar do what they do best and don't try to micromanage them.

Ah, my plan with carefully micromanaged fleet number was dastardly stolen while I slept! Well, whatever. @Enjou, while you're at it, add two Varangian Scout Companies to Asgard so that 399 doesn't bother me.

Done.
 
Does "Spend Eldar Minor Favour for Warhost and seers to reinforce the core battles" mean reinforcing the Core World battles, while leaving Turoq be? Because we really don't need that. We need Turoq dead or at least his forces dealt with. Honestly ya'll should just vote for the vanilla Warhost. Let the Eldar do what they do best and don't try to micromanage them.



Done.
I asked it is detaching some seers from the warhost to help with the core world battles.
 
[X] Spend Eldar Minor Favour for Warhost and seers to reinforce the core battles
[X] Plan Force Distribution 1.0
@Enjou What does your plan leave for the colonies?
 
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Does "Spend Eldar Minor Favour for Warhost and seers to reinforce the core battles" mean reinforcing the Core World battles, while leaving Turoq be? Because we really don't need that. We need Turoq dead or at least his forces dealt with. Honestly ya'll should just vote for the vanilla Warhost. Let the Eldar do what they do best and don't try to micromanage them.
It's asking them to give us a couple of seers before going and mauling all 3 forces. Which isn't strictly needed, as Warhost is going to make all battles easy anyway, but it doesn't hurt too.
 
@Durin

1. If the Warhost/Strike Force was graded on points how much would they be worth?
2. Is it fair to say that the battles are staggered enough that the warhost/strike force can be at all 3 without prioritizing? (I think this has been implied but I want to be sure.)
 
vote people it is tied right now for the Eldar favor.
Adhoc vote count started by Nurgle on Nov 4, 2018 at 10:57 PM, finished with 109585 posts and 24 votes.
 
We need the warhost since that let's us know the forces attacking us. The strike force only kills the leadership of the attacking forces and that is only maybe effective on Toroq's forces. The mechanicus forces are unlikely to fall into infighting.
 
Also we have 86 psyker choirs. 86! I don't think we had half as many for the war on two fronts.

And yet we're still freaking outnumbered. Stupid clone hax.
We need the warhost since that let's us know the forces attacking us. The strike force only kills the leadership of the attacking forces and that is only maybe effective on Toroq's forces. The mechanicus forces are unlikely to fall into infighting.
Depending on what the strike force does if they slaughter say all of the their major psykers suddenly we have the upper hand in psychic BS.
 
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[X] Spend Eldar Minor Favour for Warhost and seers to reinforce the core battles
[X] Plan Force Distribution 1.0

This is Turoq's last shot at staying relevant as a policy, whether he is given true death, merely driven off or banished does not change that his realm will be wrecked.

The Warhost has nearly the same chance of true death for Turoq as the Strike Force (the only other big difference is that if Turoq manages to get away the Eldar will hunt him down latter), and the Warhost will massively reduce the amount of damage that the Trust will take.

I really do not understand why we would want to trade military and economic damage in order to kill someone that will not matter anywhere near as much after this war.
 
[X] Spend Eldar Minor Favour for Warhost

@Enjou What does your plan leave for the colonies?
13 Courts of Knight-Titans, 3 Varangian Scout Companies, 4 Helltrooper Corps', 230 Avernite PDF Corps', 9 PAG Corps', 134 Grenadiers Corps', 90 Guard Armies, 490 PDF Armies, 15 Psyker Choirs, 29 Battle Psyker Brigades in armies.

336 Task Forces in fleets.

Plus Dragon's force of:
Allied Fleet: 6 Battle Barges, 40 Cruiser Squadrons, 150 Escort Flotillas
Allied Forces: 40 Blood Dragons Companies, 100 Serf Corps, 50 Guard Armies, 100 PDF Armies
 
Depending on what the strike force does if they slaughter say all of the their major psykers suddenly we have the upper hand in psychic BS.
Maybe the strike force will but the description sounds more like just focusing on the leadership kills. Also the the Eldar are all psykers that will come in greater numbers with the warhost.
 
I wonder if it we can build or at least repair the local Webway. If the Eldar are willing to give us the expertise and if we divine the Emperor's work on Webways, we might be able to at least start thinking about building them.



[X] Spend Eldar Minor Favour for Warhost and seers to reinforce the core battles
[X] Plan Force Distribution 1.0
 
I wonder if it we can build or at least repair the local Webway. If the Eldar are willing to give us the expertise and if we divine the Emperor's work on Webways, we might be able to at least start thinking about building them.



[X] Spend Eldar Minor Favour for Warhost and seers to reinforce the core battles
[X] Plan Force Distribution 1.0
The eldar can repair the webway, but they lack sufficient experts to do so at anything but critical junctures.

Hopefully population growth will change that.
 
[X] Spend Eldar Minor Favour for Warhost and seers to reinforce the core battles
[X] Plan Force Distribution 1.0
 
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