Hold It In (RWBY/Transistor)

Now as devil's advocate- The merit in not bringing Jaune's stuff up is that it might necessarily diminish the impact of, or make Ada's reveal more surreal and less visceral than it was for Jaune.

They're unrelated topics beside 'what are they hiding from their friends' and it's not unfair to say Ada's issues are far more contentious and precarious than our potential to become a physical god. Ada needs to be comforted and to understand her friends are all there for her. That they're all willing to bury Lee as a bonding excercise.

Jaune just wants to reveal his semblance before it gets a bit more awkward and maybe get some advice. There's a certain dissonance there that makes me want to wait while still revealing it. Approach one issue at a time, rather than just pile separate issues on top of each other. Moreover, it kinda emphasizes that Jaune and Ada have been sharing and trusting each other a lot more than Creme and Lumen, whereas revealing separately deemphasises the whole 'we totally knew each other's baggage the whole time and just deigned to fill you in'.

But mostly, I think that meeting should be about Ada, and that Jaune's issue can definitely wait if it might mean giving her a better experience.

[X]Well?
-[X] Don't tell Lumen and Creme about yourself or the Process, just verify Ada's story.

I am happy with that reasoning
[X]Well?
-[X] Don't tell Lumen and Creme about yourself or the Process, just verify Ada's story.

[X]Well?
-[X] Don't tell Lumen and Creme about yourself or the Process, just verify Ada's story.

I'm convinced. This is Ada's moment, not ours.
That comes later.

... actually yeah. Changin' my vote.

[X]Well?
-[X] Don't tell Lumen and Creme about yourself or the Process, just verify Ada's story.

Karugus said:

But mostly, I think that meeting should be about Ada, and that Jaune's issue can definitely wait if it might mean giving her a better experience.

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I don't really agree with the idea that keeping the Process secret is going to make it better for Ada.

I might have read her character wrong, but wouldn't she be happier if there was another big reveal to take some of the "heat" off of her?

Ashmaker said:

I don't really agree with the idea that keeping the Process secret is going to make it better for Ada.

I might have read her character wrong, but wouldn't she be happier if there was another big reveal to take some of the "heat" off of her?

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I mean, she might appreciate it and be less immediately anxious due to the other elephant in the room- but a huge amount of Ada's trauma is tied to her urge to hide and disappear and her terror of that. Her semblance is just the most glaring example of that, and how Ada tries to isolate herself.

So, I could definitely see it helping, but I can also see Ada trying to use it to hide behind- not even necessarily in the immediate sense either. I don't assume any of us have a definitive grasp of Ada's headspace by this point other than its fairly damn whack and she needs people to lean on.

[X]Well?
-[X] Don't tell Lumen and Creme about yourself or the Process, just verify Ada's story.

Best not to make this about us.

[X]Well?
-[X] Don't tell Lumen and Creme about yourself or the Process, just verify Ada's story.

I totally and utterly disagree with the notion that we should continue to keep the Transistor and Process a secret from Creme and Lumen out of some misguided sense of trying to avoid "stealing Ada's thunder" by having a big reveal of our own.

First off because I think it's totally unnecessary, Ada is a big girl and she's going to be fine without having to make it "all about her". Frankly, I think doing that has a good chance of backfiring, what with Ada being thrown into the spotlight where we know she's not comfortable.

Secondly, this isn't just about Ada which some people are treating it as. It's about not keeping half of Team JACL out of the loop. Lumen and Creme are supposed to be our friends, but by continually keeping a secret this big from them, we're hardly treating them that way. Jaune's family knows, Penny knows, Ironwood knows, Ada knows, so why should we keep excluding them and ONLY them?

Thirdly, revealing the truth about the Transistor and Process to Lumen and Creme is also about Jaune, and him continuing to reach out to other people, something he hasn't done before the quest started and is only now beginning to learn how to do.

Keeping the secret at this point doesn't help Ada, it hurts Creme and Lumen, and it hurts Jaune.

Prok said:

You heard them talking about your Semblance in the kitchen that one night- it's just an obsession, it would pass, it's not healthy to focus in on one topic so much, you kept it a secret because why would they believe you, and don't even get you started on the things you thought could happen if other people found out-

Arms wrap around your shoulders. You feel yourself stop talking, and realise that you had been talking, that you had been letting all that pent-up bitterness and frustration out, things you've been trying not to think about for years, and now your mother is hugging you, sobbing loudly, you feel your own eyes beginning to water- at least, you hope it's water this time- and you don't really know what to do about any of those things.

Somehow, dealing with Ada sounds like a goddamn vacation compared to this.

"I'm so sorry I didn't know I'm so so so sorry-"

She continues to babble on, and you feel something hot running down your back. Almost automatically, you wrap your arms around her, pulling her into a hug. You see your father, guilt plain on his face, your sisters, Jools covering her mouth in shock, on the edge of tears herself, Jaana openly conflicted on what to do here, how to react to any of this, her expression unreadable...

Still, now that you've got... that, out to the people it actually matters to get it out to, you feel... a little lighter, you suppose.

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We already had a big thing about this with his family (emphasis added), so can we please just have Jaune stop lying to the people he cares about?

Ashmaker said:

I totally and utterly disagree with the notion that we should continue to keep the Transistor and Process a secret from Creme and Lumen out of some misguided sense of trying to avoid "stealing Ada's thunder" by having a big reveal of our own.

First off because I think it's totally unnecessary, Ada is a big girl and she's going to be fine without having to make it "all about her". Frankly, I think doing that has a good chance of backfiring, what with Ada being thrown into the spotlight where we know she's not comfortable.

Secondly, this isn't just about Ada which some people are treating it as. It's about not keeping half of Team JACL out of the loop. Lumen and Creme are supposed to be our friends, but by continually keeping a secret this big from them, we're hardly treating them that way. Jaune's family knows, Penny knows, Ironwood knows, Ada knows, so why should we keep excluding them and ONLY them?

Thirdly, revealing the truth about the Transistor and Process to Lumen and Creme is also about Jaune, and him continuing to reach out to other people, something he hasn't done before the quest started and is only now beginning to learn how to do.

Keeping the secret at this point doesn't help Ada, it hurts Creme and Lumen, and it hurts Jaune.

We already had a big thing about this with his family (emphasis added), so can we please just have Jaune stop lying to the people he cares about?

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Maybe it would be better to vote for something like
[]Well?
-[] Don't tell Lumen and Creme about yourself or the Process yet, just verify Ada's story. You'll tell them later, after they've had time to process Ada's story.

Maybe even add something about letting them know that Jaune has stuff to tell them too, but it's a bit much to be dropping it all on them at once?

That just stinks of blatant double-dipping tho :/

Ashmaker said:

I totally and utterly disagree with the notion that we should continue to keep the Transistor and Process a secret from Creme and Lumen out of some misguided sense of trying to avoid "stealing Ada's thunder" by having a big reveal of our own.

First off because I think it's totally unnecessary, Ada is a big girl and she's going to be fine without having to make it "all about her". Frankly, I think doing that has a good chance of backfiring, what with Ada being thrown into the spotlight where we know she's not comfortable.

Secondly, this isn't just about Ada which some people are treating it as. It's about not keeping half of Team JACL out of the loop. Lumen and Creme are supposed to be our friends, but by continually keeping a secret this big from them, we're hardly treating them that way. Jaune's family knows, Penny knows, Ironwood knows, Ada knows, so why should we keep excluding them and ONLY them?

Thirdly, revealing the truth about the Transistor and Process to Lumen and Creme is also about Jaune, and him continuing to reach out to other people, something he hasn't done before the quest started and is only now beginning to learn how to do.

Keeping the secret at this point doesn't help Ada, it hurts Creme and Lumen, and it hurts Jaune.

We already had a big thing about this with his family (emphasis added), so can we please just have Jaune stop lying to the people he cares about?

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I've never stated that I want Jaune to actually withhold information about the aprocess from Creme and Lumen- I just think it's hamfisted and poorly thought out to do it right on top of Ada's confession.

You are throwing a bunch of platitudes about how it's unhealthy for Jaune and unfair to his friends.... which is why I agree they need to be told just not at the same time something that has horrifically traumatized and haunted one of our friends is being addressed. Where Ada's who's been so scarred by Lee her semblance is basically about running away from reality. Where it's an incredible step forward for Ada to bring this to the people she cares about.

Simply put, Jaune's personal hang ups about being believed an his semblance are fucking peanuts to Ada's woes as far as I'm concerned and we should focus on addressing it rather than blindly spewing Jaune's own baggage while madly groping for acceptance and closure because hey- we're outsiders looking in who don't personally have to grapple with these issues.

Let me put it this way- how would you help a friend explain that she was the witness to the serial murder of her family and town by a close family friend and feels partially responsible for creating a psychotic violent monster? Because I personally would feel it wildly inappropriate to talk about my own issues with being believed and trusting others in the immediate aftermath unless the conversation segues there naturally. I would never go into a confession like that thinking 'man this is a perfect time to come clean about my own emotional baggage because everyone's conveniently in one place'.

It's not like the show had Yang confessing to her own issues with Raven right after Blake being WF was revealed now did it?

Edit: we literally have a trait for being a social disaster with a massively variable penalty. And that's and undoubtedly delicate scenario in the wake of Ada's confession. We just don't need Jaune trying to share his own life's story while blundering about. I'm just counseling patience, that we wait for a better time to share than Ada's time.

At most, I'd only agree to talk about it if we're directly prompted too, and they're hellbent on getting us to spill.

Karugus said:

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Damn it, I'm dumb. I forgot to include something very pertinent in my original argument. Only goes to show that what I consider obvious might, in fact, not be to everyone else.

Alright, here goes: we are telling them about Boriah Lee, that much has already been decided, but telling them about the Process is complimentary information, not competitive.

1. "The a notorious serial killer coming to Vale has had a run-in with Ada before and he might be after her again." [Boriah Lee]
   
2. "...and this is how I'm planning to protect her." [Process]

Telling them about 1 while withholding 2 is a dick move. A dick move I could easily see Royce!Jaune make in-character because he's incompetent at social, but still one I feel should be avoided.

Even if we take the time to meet them next week to reveal the full truth, that's still days of them worrying about Ada's safety, in addition to all of their own problems, such as Creme's brother joining the White Fang and Lumen's...

Prok said:

Lumen... Lumen doesn't really have a story arc to ignore, he's just a genuinely well-adjusted human being with no incredibly depressing personal problems in his future. Honest.

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Well, Lumen's ??? issue. (I couldn't track down @Prok's post where he explains how he makes it incredibly obvious when he's lying when ending with "Honest" or "Honestly", but it's in the thread somewhere. Lumen has troubles of his own, for sure.)

Prok said:

--[] Tell Lumen and Creme about the Process, but leave as little about yourself in as possible.

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If we really want to avoid taking the spotlight from Ada's story without bringing in Jaune's personal issues just yet, then the option to do that is right there and we just have to vote for it. In fact, I'm going to try this "compromise" thing I've heard about and do just that:

[X]Well?
-[X] Tell Lumen and Creme about yourself and the Process.
--[X] Tell Lumen and Creme about the Process, but leave as little about yourself in as possible.

There. We support Ada, stop withholding vital information from our other friends, all the while keeping the focus on the Boriah Lee issue.

I just got through two midterms and just caught up with this. I agree with Ashmaker's idea of bringing it up.

Ashmaker said:

1. "The a notorious serial killer coming to Vale has had a run-in with Ada before and he might be after her again." [Boriah Lee]
   
2. "...and this is how I'm planning to protect her." [Process]

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Seems like a pretty simple and effective way of doing it to me. Hiding something like that always blows up later, especially if it can help someone in very likely danger. It would also help them calm down knowing that something is being done to help protect her.

[X]Well?
-[X] Tell Lumen and Creme about yourself and the Process.
--[X] Tell Lumen and Creme about the Process, but leave as little about yourself in as possible.

I honestly thought about that @Ashmaker and considered including a whole 'I wouldn't mind Jaune explaining the Process if it was in the context of him and the gang indulging in premeditated murder planning'. Thank you for actually having the dedication to push for a genuinely ideal compromise.

[X]Well?
-[X] Tell Lumen and Creme about yourself and the Process.
--[X] Tell Lumen and Creme about the Process, but leave as little about yourself in as possible.

[X]Well?
-[X] Tell Lumen and Creme about yourself and the Process.
--[X] Tell Lumen and Creme about the Process, but leave as little about yourself in as possible.

We need more votes if we want to avoid the clumsy reveal.