Which of the other starter choices do you want to see interludes from most?

  • Dishonored

    Votes: 3 7.0%
  • Legend Of Zelda

    Votes: 9 20.9%
  • Shadow Of Mordor

    Votes: 2 4.7%
  • Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann

    Votes: 4 9.3%
  • Preacher

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • JoJo's Bizarre Adventure

    Votes: 8 18.6%
  • Fist Of The North Star

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Kill Six Billion Demons

    Votes: 12 27.9%
  • The Zombie Knight

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Mob Psycho 100

    Votes: 2 4.7%
  • Author's Choice

    Votes: 3 7.0%

  • Total voters
    43
  • Poll closed .
what is the goal of spreading the Process? Or rather, is it all one Process with lots of bodies, or would each instance be a separate mind? Does adding bodies give it more processing power? Do they each learn autonomously?
The goal of spreading the Process, as far as Jaune is aware, is to control.

When something is assimilated, let's say, an office building, for example, the physical matter of that building is converted into Process catoms, which, by default, take on the same general shape and structure as the building, but without trying to hide itself- so you would end up with the same kind of aesthetic as Cloudbank once everything was said and done. Clinically white, blocky, beautiful in its own way, sure, but... alien.

Now, when each individual catom is about a fifth the size of a hydrogen atom, things like texture, colour, even smell or taste should be no effort to emulate. Adding Processed matter to the world gives it more processing power, which will be very useful down the line, you know, for, not Grimm killin' related stuff, mostly. As for how the AI of the Process is structured across multiple bodies, you don't really know because... well, you've only seen one body for about as long as you've had it, and the second one was just as adorable.

And perhaps most importantly, can Processes be disguised as something else or change their avatar's physical properties? Because depending on the answers to the previous questions, I'm wondering if the best move might be to have Process just start instantiating bodies that imitate all the properties of random objects. Dress Processes, steel girder Processes, rock Processes, grass Processes ... etc. And of course especially bunker/fortress/wall reinforcement Processes.

Alternatively digging down and forming an underground "bedrock" layer of Processes. Or just an underground colony.

Actually, come to think of it, making them into clothes for children would help expose them to the natural way people learn how to be people.

Do Process units trigger Grimm aggression? If not they could just get dumped out into the ocean.
And get executed by the council for instigating an invasion of a foreign power? No thank you.
The Process is many things. Subtle when not ubiquitous is not one of them. Perfect camouflage is not the same thing as invisibility, and somebody would inevitably notice a Jerk creeping about and turning into somebody's wedding dress, or fading into the very grass.

I mean, shit, imagine seeing that, it'll like fucking Prey all over again, you'll give some poor bastard a paranoid complex.

I want to say that you do a fantastic job characterizing Juane...and, well, with characters in general. I mean, goddamn. This update was right in the feels, man. And yeah, I can totally understand Ada's reaction to Juane's declaration of murderous rage. The guy is normally nice, unaggressive, polite, pacifistic, and not very threatening. Hearing him go all TFS!Gohan out of nowhere would be quite the surprise.
Thank you. I like to think I have a firm grasp on characters by this point, despite my general reluctance to write a truly character-driven story, but Ada... is drawn from experience, above most else.

Well, Lumen's ??? issue. (I couldn't track down @Prok's post where he explains how he makes it incredibly obvious when he's lying when ending with "Honest" or "Honestly", but it's in the thread somewhere. Lumen has troubles of his own, for sure.)
I do it, it's a bad habit, and of course Lumen has stuff to hide, that's kind of this team's entire theme at this point.

As for everybody else, far too many replies for me to respond to you all, let me just say this- thank you so much, for taking such an interest in my story and my characters, to the point where I can keep such a dedicated audience despite delays, it really does make writing this worth it, and I'll say this much- as with most things in this quest, there is no right or wrong answer, nor will this be your final opportunity to tell Creme and Lumen about the Process. Frankly, even if you were to avoid talking about it at literally every opportunity, they would find out anyway because, you know, The Process is not subtle.

Though, to be honest, I'm... not, sure a compromise was needed? Our boy's no silver-tongued devil, but he's smart enough to not just barge in with his magic box of world-saving entity before Ada's said her piece.

Still, vote how you please, and know that none of what anybody's said about the situation is necessarily incorrect- it's all... parts of the truth, a multifaceted, sometimes self-conflicting truth, but still, the truth.

Either way, voting will continue until 6 pm tomorrow, and with any luck, I'll get the conversation out on the same night.
Adhoc vote count started by PsyFarrow on Oct 7, 2018 at 2:16 PM, finished with 2824 posts and 23 votes.
 
When something is assimilated, let's say, an office building, for example, the physical matter of that building is converted into Process catoms, which, by default, take on the same general shape and structure as the building, but without trying to hide itself- so you would end up with the same kind of aesthetic as Cloudbank once everything was said and done. Clinically white, blocky, beautiful in its own way, sure, but... alien.
oh... what if we hid the process as "Modern art projects" all over town? then during an invasion they'll act as spawn points for combat platforms.
 
Hm, looking at the cote tally...
[X]Well?
-[X] Tell Lumen and Creme about yourself and the Process.
--[X] Tell Lumen and Creme about the Process, but leave as little about yourself in as possible.

My only reason for staying silent was to not give Ada something to hide behind. Looking back... that reasoning makes less than zero sense and I am bewildered at myself.
Honestly Juane should just start his own kingdom with the process.
That... would probably be just slightly a bit if a genre change. Also, starting a new kingdom requires quite a few things - most importantly, enough people who stay there long enough for it to be considered such.

Also, y'know, the moment the Grimm realized what we were trying to do, and more importantly what we were trying to do it with, Salem would send hoards upon hoards at us before we could get the process to propogate enough.
 
[X]Well?
-[X] Tell Lumen and Creme about yourself and the Process.
--[X] Tell Lumen and Creme about the Process, but leave as little about yourself in as possible.
 
Also, y'know, the moment the Grimm realized what we were trying to do, and more importantly what we were trying to do it with, Salem would send hoards upon hoards at us before we could get the process to propogate enough.
If she realized and if ahe realized in time.

And you can import people I imagine loads of people would like to live in the fortress city that the process makes.
 
Oh my God, Process modern art serving as staging grounds for specialized platforms is actually a good idea!

So, think about it from the perspective of an outsider. Art is probably a Big Deal in Remnant: they've fought wars over freedom of expression and their main force of combatants against Grimm are encouraged to make their own personal Styles at the expense of practicality: combat skirts and heels anyone? Everyone, even in Salem's conspiracy, is named after a color.

With that in mind, destroying a random art exhibit isn't even going to register as a possibility for most of Remnant. There's literally no reason to. So this Hunter kid decided to piece together some cool abstract sculpture and donate it to various neighborhoods, so what? It's neat, go have a picnic near it maybe, then move on with your life.

So a few months pass, there's a decent number of them in various parts of Vale, and then some jackass blows a hole in the old Mountain Glenn Railway and leads a swarm of Grimm in, and suddenly these... things spring to life around the sculptures and start evacuating anyone in the vicinity of the Grimm.
 
Oh my God, Process modern art serving as staging grounds for specialized platforms is actually a good idea!

So, think about it from the perspective of an outsider. Art is probably a Big Deal in Remnant: they've fought wars over freedom of expression and their main force of combatants against Grimm are encouraged to make their own personal Styles at the expense of practicality: combat skirts and heels anyone? Everyone, even in Salem's conspiracy, is named after a color.

With that in mind, destroying a random art exhibit isn't even going to register as a possibility for most of Remnant. There's literally no reason to. So this Hunter kid decided to piece together some cool abstract sculpture and donate it to various neighborhoods, so what? It's neat, go have a picnic near it maybe, then move on with your life.

So a few months pass, there's a decent number of them in various parts of Vale, and then some jackass blows a hole in the old Mountain Glenn Railway and leads a swarm of Grimm in, and suddenly these... things spring to life around the sculptures and start evacuating anyone in the vicinity of the Grimm.
more then that, instant Forward operating bases for the police and military. the alarm goes up Process made barricades and bunkers spawn with Auto-turret style Cells augmenting the organic defenders who will man those fortification. hell we can design the art installations to reconfigure into a triple A gun during a mass attack to help the defenders control the skies.

oh wait, imagine if that scumbag Lee shows up in vale or the white fang try to start shit, our "sculptures" are giant sensor network that pick out the scumbag or white fang masks where ever they go...
 
Wouldn't processing parts of out of the way forests or the obscene amount of terrain Remnant has unexploited be viable?

We're a hunter, us venturing beyond the safe parts of Vale is basically a given, causing the Process to spread in a relatively discrete circle around Vale would give us a tripwire, response force, FOB etc, that we can proceed to have expand outwards.

It will probably take more time to setup and be a bit patchy at first, but the people likeliest to find out are our fellow hunters who should be more positively inclined, or people living on the fringe who might not be inclined to call up their councilman and make a fuss or what have you. And if it does get discovered, it definitely looks a lot less like Jaune is trying to create his own police state on the sly- which I imagine is going to be a huge part of the backlash at the idea of the Process.
 
Also, y'know, the moment the Grimm realized what we were trying to do, and more importantly what we were trying to do it with, Salem would send hoards upon hoards at us before we could get the process to propogate enough.
We rolled The Process so early that if we grow it right the first real sign will be when the Battle of Beacon goes horribly wrong for Cinder. Jaune isn't just another player in their chess game, he's another player niether even knows is there and he's becoming the board they're playing on. Quite soon, if not already, the Process will reach a point where it will be the last man standing even if nothing else is left. In short Salem has already lost, all that remains to be seen is to what degree.
 
You know what would be a good idea, teach the Process about armor, then feed it a small piece of strong alloy, that is used in high quality armor, and have the Process make Jaune some armor out of the stuff.
 
Though, to be honest, I'm... not, sure a compromise was needed? Our boy's no silver-tongued devil, but he's smart enough to not just barge in with his magic box of world-saving entity before Ada's said her piece.
Alright, (since you didn't end with "Honest") I'll trust you when you say that Jaune won't blow it. I do think getting the truth out is a good idea, so let's hope this isn't too premature and won't end up completely emotionally exhausting our hero.

[X]Well?
-[X] Tell Lumen and Creme about yourself and the Process.

oh... what if we hid the process as "Modern art projects" all over town? then during an invasion they'll act as spawn points for combat platforms.
"And this one is called 'Egg Chamber', representing the relationship between man and the livestock that while protected and taken care of, ultimately live to end up as mans' dinner. This upcoming piece is entitled 'Hunting Ground' and it serves as a reminder that there is more to the wilderness than just endless waves of Grimm. Now, if you look to your right you'll see what many consider to be the artist's Magnum Opus, the magnificent 'Restrained Violence' statue. While perfectly stationary, anyone who so much as glances at it could swear that is it alive and waiting, ready to burst into action to defend Vale against anything that threatens it."
Honestly Juane should just start his own kingdom with the process.
With or without blackjack and hookers?
It will probably take more time to setup and be a bit patchy at first, but the people likeliest to find out are our fellow hunters who should be more positively inclined, or people living on the fringe who might not be inclined to call up their councilman and make a fuss or what have you. And if it does get discovered, it definitely looks a lot less like Jaune is trying to create his own police state on the sly- which I imagine is going to be a huge part of the backlash at the idea of the Process.
Since we're basically months at most away from being a one-man superpower, I'm pretty sure that at some point in the future we're going to have to play politics with the Councils and Academies. Hopefully we'll have Ozpin and Ironwood on our side to handle the worst of it by then.
We rolled The Process so early that if we grow it right the first real sign will be when the Battle of Beacon goes horribly wrong for Cinder. Jaune isn't just another player in their chess game, he's another player niether even knows is there and he's becoming the board they're playing on. Quite soon, if not already, the Process will reach a point where it will be the last man standing even if nothing else is left. In short Salem has already lost, all that remains to be seen is to what degree.
I'll be very surprised if the Battle of Beacon happens anywhere close to how it did in canon, assuming it happens at all. Cinder relied on compromising the computer systems, rigging the tournament for maximum emotional impact, and subverting the Atlas defenses to turn on Vale.
More seriously, yeah, you're... not even gonna have to roll to mess with any of those things. You picked the only option that's a straight up hard counter to whatever the hell Cinder pulled off, and one of the only options that can properly understand what Penny is.
Here, she's extremely unlikely to have any of those things because Royce!Jaune with the Transistor flat out wins against the Black Queen Virus. Word of God from @Prok is that we won't even have to roll for it.
 
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Voting is now closed, and telling Lumen and Creme about the Process wins.

I'll start writing the update after I get dinner.
Adhoc vote count started by Prok on Oct 8, 2018 at 3:43 PM, finished with 76 posts and 25 votes.
 
It's far more important to maintain secrecy than it is to get a head start in deployment. Once the Process is developed enough, deployment will be easy. But once the cat is out of the bag, there is no going back, and we become Priority Target #1 for Salem, which is very much a BAD THING.

So yeah. Keep the numbers down, but keep (subtly) making the Process more advanced.
 
It's far more important to maintain secrecy than it is to get a head start in deployment. Once the Process is developed enough, deployment will be easy. But once the cat is out of the bag, there is no going back, and we become Priority Target #1 for Salem, which is very much a BAD THING.

So yeah. Keep the numbers down, but keep (subtly) making the Process more advanced.

Right, but does Jaune know that? I don't think it's common knowledge that there's a guiding intelligence behind the Grimm as a whole.
 
...Why can't Jaune just have the Process mass convert the underground? Have it go way down, way further than there's any reasonable expectation that anyone would be that deep, and then just start converting.

For example, the radius of the earth is about 6,371 km. The deepest hole in the world is about 12.2 km below the surface at it's deepest branch. For comparison, I believe the deepest part of the Mariana Trench (The Challenger Deep) is a bit less than 11km below the surface.

Assuming I didn't misunderstand and the converted parts can still act just like they did before conversion, the total volume of area available to convert is practically negligible at the surface. He'd loose out on a touch less than 1% of the total volume neglecting the surface.

Granted, I do assume Remnant can be reasonably modeled by comparing it to Earth, but even if Jaune has to go 1% of the radius down (~637.1 km on Earth) before he can start converting, that's still like 97% of the total volume of Remnant he can convert.
 
...Why can't Jaune just have the Process mass convert the underground? Have it go way down, way further than there's any reasonable expectation that anyone would be that deep, and then just start converting.

For example, the radius of the earth is about 6,371 km. The deepest hole in the world is about 12.2 km below the surface at it's deepest branch. For comparison, I believe the deepest part of the Mariana Trench (The Challenger Deep) is a bit less than 11km below the surface.

Assuming I didn't misunderstand and the converted parts can still act just like they did before conversion, the total volume of area available to convert is practically negligible at the surface. He'd loose out on a touch less than 1% of the total volume neglecting the surface.

Granted, I do assume Remnant can be reasonably modeled by comparing it to Earth, but even if Jaune has to go 1% of the radius down (~637.1 km on Earth) before he can start converting, that's still like 97% of the total volume of Remnant he can convert.

Potentially massive subterranean Grimm of Literally numberless hordes is afaik the reason they don't dig deep.
 
Potentially massive subterranean Grimm of Literally numberless hordes is afaik the reason they don't dig deep.

Reasonably speaking though, the Grimm shouldn't be too deep (relative to the radius of Remnant). If he finds somewhere he can go that deep without any Grimm (a perfectly reasonable, if not guaranteed, possibility) then Jaune could just have the Process expand under the subterranean Grimm hordes. Even if he has to go about 1% of Remnant's radius down, he still can get to about 97% of it's total volume, and should easily be under the subterranean Grimm.
 
Reasonably speaking though, the Grimm shouldn't be too deep (relative to the radius of Remnant). If he finds somewhere he can go that deep without any Grimm (a perfectly reasonable, if not guaranteed, possibility) then Jaune could just have the Process expand under the subterranean Grimm hordes. Even if he has to go about 1% of Remnant's radius down, he still can get to about 97% of it's total volume, and should easily be under the subterranean Grimm.
The Process can't withstand those pressures/temperatures yet. You're talking about molten lava at tremendous pressures. If you've played Transistor, then you'd know that the Process is currently at a very weak stage--the Cells are basically one-hit glass cannons, which don't even hit very hard.

It's like the difference between a random Atlas mook and the production-level Paladins.
 
The Process can't withstand those pressures/temperatures yet. You're talking about molten lava at tremendous pressures. If you've played Transistor, then you'd know that the Process is currently at a very weak stage--the Cells are basically one-hit glass cannons, which don't even hit very hard.

It's like the difference between a random Atlas mook and the production-level Paladins.

That I didn't know. From what I understood of conversion it sounded like it could take on the properties of the area converted and didn't really have to worry about that. Not that it was making more Cells out of whatever it converted.

...I don't really understand how conversion works :(
 
That I didn't know. From what I understood of conversion it sounded like it could take on the properties of the area converted and didn't really have to worry about that. Not that it was making more Cells out of whatever it converted.

...I don't really understand how conversion works :(



It depends on whats getting processed: in-game the process doesn't actually ABSORB areas so much as factory reset them, what with the game taking place in a virtual setting and everything being made of the process already. Wheras with people its implied that the process is storing their Trace (which is pretty much the transistor-verses equiv of the soul).
 
Wait a minute! I know what we could do to spread the Process.

Besides making modern art, getting into the housing business, and distributing CELLs (Cooperative Energy-independent Learning Lifesaver) to Huntsmen, there's one big project that we could undertake once we've proven ourselves.

Mountain Glenn.

It's isolated and currently unoccupied, yet accessible to Vale. It's already been inhabited and subsequently lost to the Grimm, but a reclamation could be as simple as getting Jaune there with enough backup to keep him safe until the Process can do the assimilation thing. Should be a lot easier to argue for and a lot less attention-grabbing than trying to convince people that we can just build a brand new city that's perfectly safe and they should all move there.
 
Wait a minute! I know what we could do to spread the Process.

Besides making modern art, getting into the housing business, and distributing CELLs (Cooperative Energy-independent Learning Lifesaver) to Huntsmen, there's one big project that we could undertake once we've proven ourselves.

Mountain Glenn.

It's isolated and currently unoccupied, yet accessible to Vale. It's already been inhabited and subsequently lost to the Grimm, but a reclamation could be as simple as getting Jaune there with enough backup to keep him safe until the Process can do the assimilation thing. Should be a lot easier to argue for and a lot less attention-grabbing than trying to convince people that we can just build a brand new city that's perfectly safe and they should all move there.
All ideas for the Process are being slipped away into a little folder, with the pros and cons as I can think of them written out, then sorted by general category and difficulty.

Or at least, they would be, but my mechanical keyboard stopped working a while back, so I have to use an incredibly stiff membrane one I can't type on for more than ten minutes at a time without the tendons in my arms trying to set themselves on fire. Which is, also why an update that's mainly dialogue is taking so long. Still, I'm going to try and power through the last stretch tonight, so I'm either finishing it or giving myself CTS again.

GO BIG OR GO HOME I SAY-
 
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