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Magical Girl Quest - The Fire That Burns

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[X] Don't

Even if the Vow can be broken, we did kinda already know that, and I'm sure Karen will tell us as much if we go storm in there stupidly.

Also we are dealing with the counter force, you know, the people who IIRC have no actual mages of their own. Is it not possible that Karen made something stronger than a mere magical Vow? Given how she's been treating it so far?

Way too much shit we don't know. Kicking the door down will only escalate where we neither want nor need escalation.

Think about this people, come on.

EDIT: I gotta say though, I am legit disappointed that we weren't able to ge to telling this woman about the whole barrier situation. I have a funny feeling it would reframe the conflict for her to know that demons are about to invade. Though I suppose that is making an assumption that she does not already know...
 
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Naron said:
...no. You are still operating from incomplete data, though.

Karen made her moves for a good reason. Just because you do not know what it is does not mean she did something stupid.
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Deceiving your nuclear option is never a good reason, whether by action or omission. It will always, always, always blow up in your face. And the idea that Karen did it anyways makes her mind-bogglingly...ignorant, out of character, stupid, take your pick.

Like, the best reason possible for doing something like this is a lesser of two evils situation, and that comes with the implicit acceptance that you've already fucked up pretty badly.

Given that there is a non-zero chance this ends with the Clocktower literally burning down, I'm not sure how it could be described in any way as "good reason".
 
Akritedes said:
Given that there is a non-zero chance this ends with the Clocktower literally burning down
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Only if y'all actually vote to confront here, which doesn't seem to be the way votes are swinging. Also Karen could probs punt Cerys out a window before too much stuff was on fire.
 
[X] Ask Morgan what she's thinking about, and why Karen would trick us.
 
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LostDeviljho said:
Only if y'all actually vote to confront here, which doesn't seem to be the way votes are swinging. Also Karen could probs punt Cerys out a window before too much stuff was on fire.
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She can near-instantly set everything within 20m of her ablaze with flames hot enough to instantly reduce the average human to a charred corpse, and can control thermal energy out to 800m to ignite or flash-freeze anything in that radius in a few moments. That's...a lot of stuff on fire. It may not be quite "the concrete is literally burning" levels, but it's both fast and very destructive.

And that without considering Alpha and Omega, or anything to do with Plasma, or Juggernaught Wave.

[X] Kick the fucking door down.
-[X] Send Daiyu to get her sister, Sabina, and Una and make sure they're safe.

Yanno, when I said we were the magical terrorists, I thought I was joking.
 
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strauss said:
Now it might be hard to believe this but there are, in fact, multiple people involved in making up the playerbase and they might, shockingly, have different opinions. I know it must be hard to believe given your post but it is true, if you read with that in mind I believe things will be a lot clearer.

In fact no need to go back and re-read my posts either since I will summarize my point on the subject "Worrying about what we have no idea is premature, wait until we get something IC to follow-up on or can take action that way, in the meantime do and worry the other things we should be doing". Alongside and partially in response QMs kept harping about how the Counter Force were totally justified honest which was annoying but whatever I can ignore it, then when we get utterly artificial and unnecessary drama right afterwards and shitty post-justification. All combined to make me no longer hold interest or care about whatever is up with them and want to move on to literally anything else.
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Tell me how you really feel mate.

I'm going to nip this in the bud and say that while you are perfectly entitled to your own opinion, please don't get snippy.
Only Salt lies that way.
 
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strauss said:
Sorry. I got irritated with the passive aggressiveness without any argument for me to discuss for the second time from the same person so answered in kind. I will just skip his posts from now on.
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To be clear, that wasn't aimed at you specifically. Your post was just the strongest example of the way the playerbase has been reacting that I had on hand.
 
Does "don't" mean don't go in and question Karen, or does it mean go in calmly and still question her?
 
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I actually have no problem kicking the door down, but perhaps we could consider having Daiyu get Cuifen and Una out of the Clocktower before we do if only so we don't end up with hostages.
 
Like, I don't get the salt and complaining going on around here, tbh.

People forget minor details from months in the past, it happens. Karen is the century old leader of the Magical Illuminati, and is exactly as (un)trustworthy and morally upstanding as that implies. Cerys has a giant throbbing trigger button labelled "Una" and she gets mad when folks poke it.

None of these things are particularly new or shocking, so why are folks reacting like everyone is suddenly robots poorly masquerading as the characters?
 
We literally do not know enough to say that we have been betrayed? Like... Guys. We already knew how magical vows worked, and we have also literally seen Karen go out of her way to protect Una and keep her safe.

Kicking the door down and getting in her face is pointless escalation can you all please chill out for three seconds and think?
Adhoc vote count started by Spectral Waltz on Jan 25, 2018 at 7:19 PM, finished with 7367 posts and 20 votes.
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We have plenty of reason to feel betrayed. We asked for a guarantee which we were not given but were led to believe that we were. Even beyond that, we really should have been given an education about basic magic which would have prevented this sort of thing. Not sure why Karen didn't give Cerys what is apparently basic knowledge of magic, probably to allow for situations like this where Karen can take advantage of Cerys' lack of knowledge. Related to this:

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"Good, not stupid are you? Never toy with magic, otherwise it'll tear you a new asshole." He scratches his side with his one arm. "I don't suppose any of those lazy shits over there have bothered tryin'a teach you anything? Just leave you to get to it?"

You nod, surprised at his words. "Kind of? I got some basic lessons for my sword and hand to hand."

He lets out a loud huff, shaking his head as he leans back and speaks to himself. "What're you playin at Karen? This aint the time for your dickwaving contest."
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This is from way back when we tried healing animals. This guy clearly sees a problem in our magical education. The question is why it was/is advantageous for Karen to neglect it. Makes me wonder what else she is hiding.

[X] Ask Morgan what she's thinking about, and why Karen would trick us.
 
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Spectral Waltz said:
I gotta say though, I am legit disappointed that we weren't able to ge to telling this woman about the whole barrier situation. I have a funny feeling it would reframe the conflict for her to know that demons are about to invade. Though I suppose that is making an assumption that she does not already know...
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A reminder that if you want to talk to her again:

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"A number to get into contact with me." She smiles gently, a soft hand closing your fingers around it. "Please, remember that you do not have to decide now, call another meeting if you have any questions you want to ask. I'll be available." She turns, walking towards the door, her butler moving into step just behind her as she passes him.
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She has given you a way to contact her.
 
[X] Ask Morgan what she's thinking about, and why Karen would trick us.

@MilitaryAaa You need to remove you X in your first vote because you are currently voting on kicking down the door and not kicking down the door.
 
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[X] Kick the fucking door down.
-[X] Send Daiyu to get her sister, Sabina, and Una and make sure they're safe.

The big moment to me is that when we asked Karen for an unbreakable agreement she gave us a vow - and more importantly she cautioned against believing them which implies that she has worries about what they could say or potentially reveal.

Someone who tries to control what information you get fears you learning things that shake the control they have over you.
 
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[X] Don't

I'm not going to get involved in the main argument going on but I will say that even if Karen withheld info/lied she hasn't done anything to Una yet. Had she actually done something I would agree with storming in but despite being 13 Cerys still has some sense of logic. Not kicking down the door doesn't mean we let it go. It means we take some time to consider what to do and how to play this.
 
[x] Don't.

I don't buy forgetting how vows works...like its possible, but feels way too convenient.
 
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