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- Windy City
.... dafug are these "meow" ratings?
With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
- Thread starter Mr Zoat
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spencer1519
(Verified Heretic)
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- Oregon, USA
Contessa regularly uses her power to avoid getting mastered.
Orange ring masters people. Drives them nuts unless they have a very specific mindset for resisting it.
Path to stealing OL's ring? Fine and dandy.
I mean really? She'd have to be pretty dumb to just put the thing on after stealing it. I mean sure, she could path to not going crazy while wearing the ring, but it'll probably tell her weeks to months of meditation and also she'll have to fundamentally alter her own worldview. Alternatively, she could just let Paul keep it, since he's arguably the best person to have it, if his alternates are any indication.
As for other people stealing rings? well, the green ones have security for that, as do most of the others. The orange one goes to whoever wants it the most, because why wouldn't it? For the most part, "You have to be chosen," orange rings just happen to be the exception. And I have a feeling in Worm, Paul wants that ring more than anyone else. Truggs knows what happens when you try to take what is his from him.
Orange ring masters people. Drives them nuts unless they have a very specific mindset for resisting it.
Path to stealing OL's ring? Fine and dandy.
I mean really? She'd have to be pretty dumb to just put the thing on after stealing it. I mean sure, she could path to not going crazy while wearing the ring, but it'll probably tell her weeks to months of meditation and also she'll have to fundamentally alter her own worldview. Alternatively, she could just let Paul keep it, since he's arguably the best person to have it, if his alternates are any indication.
As for other people stealing rings? well, the green ones have security for that, as do most of the others. The orange one goes to whoever wants it the most, because why wouldn't it? For the most part, "You have to be chosen," orange rings just happen to be the exception. And I have a feeling in Worm, Paul wants that ring more than anyone else. Truggs knows what happens when you try to take what is his from him.
Sponsors get them. I generally use it whenever the whim strikes me, much like an actual cat.
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- Somewhere out there
Assuming you're wearing the ring and keeping it charged, you don't actually HAVE to sleep -- the ring takes care of that for you. And even if you do sleep, you've got your environmental shield up. Someone breaching your shield WILL cause your ring to make you immediately awake and defensive.
The ability to give "meows" is a SV donation reward.
EDIT: I've been meowed!
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- a nice place
was the last chapter the only time that was mentioned or was there a chapter for that lantern.
That lantern hasn't featured in an update, but he has been discussed before.
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- USA
Contessa intentionally wants unstable society to cause more people to trigger. However, she does that out of necessity rather than desire to do harm. And the fact that paul will enslave the endbringers via assimilation would actually likely make her support him. since having the 3 endbringers fight alongside the best of humanity against scion sounds pretty effective
... actually, I wonder if she would try to convince him to assimilate rather than execute the villains he is particularly against. This gives even more power to use vs scion
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Paul would be a big ol bag of blindspot for her until she can gather enough data to model him. Presumably, Lantern Rings are out of context problems for the shards, so... She wouldn't know about the assimilation ability until he either tells someone about it, or he uses it.
kfrar
Aspiring Encyclopedia
On that note, in addition to the fact that any action taken by with the ring would fuck up simulation shards, the ring's background emotional manipulation would also presumably throw off both simulation and intuition thinker powers (at least until the intuition-type powers adapted), so Paul would actually have a passive AoE precog-disruption effect. And since it wouldn't be an entity-induced restriction like for Contessa, people wouldn't even realize there was a blind-spot until they saw their models failing or until their power started constantly recalculating. Coil'd be particularly fucked over by that - his power would perform its two simulations, Coil would pick one, and then at some point the actions Coil's shard directed his body would take would cease to reflect the simulation they were based on. Not sure exactly how he or his shard would respond to that, but it'd probably suck for'em.
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- a nice place
sadness. I would like to have read something like that
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- USA
As far as I know that is not how her power works.
Blindspots for her are only beings who have some sort of defense against her power. Everything else is instantly modeled perfectly.
She can perfectly predict most shards. IIRC the only ones she can't predict are the endbringers and scion.
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kfrar
Aspiring Encyclopedia
Her power runs on physical simulations, and lantern rings are powered by magic. The entities don't know shit about magic since it isn't native to the Wormverse, so any shards they produced would presumably be unable to simulate magical effects. If Paul was just walking about Contessa could simulate him no problem, but anything he has the ring do shouldn't show up on her paths until/unless she starts modeling Paul and his ring like she does Eidolon.
Drich
Von Neumann Writing Machine
Contessa's power, much like all other pre-cog powers in Worm, acquires data of an object, its surroundings, and everything that can effect it, then simulates it. This works perfectly because Worm is a deterministic universe, and the Entities have perfect, long-range, quantum-scale scanners.
Something that can block those scanners will cause the power to fail- because it won't be able to simulate that thing, because it has no data on it.
Contessa's restrictions are artificial, imposed by Eden. She cannot simulate any Entity, a limitation which happens to include Eidolon (presumably because his Shard appears to be Eden's 'connect to all other Shards' Shard), and the Endbringers (Because they're products of Shards and basically Shards themselves).
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- USA
As I understood it, the reason why even the least effect ward possible can block the rings is because they are NOT magic rings. And the technology they use is ineffective against magic
Check your premises. You are assuming that power rings block entity scanning
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Tactical Tunic
Glorious Burgerman of Eagleland
- Location
- Holy Terra
How would scion react to ring powers? The entities' goal is to overcome entropy right? A power ring would be of great interest to them.
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- Location
- Lynn, MA
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- He/Him/His
Actually it's never stated in the canon of worm what the Entities end goals are.
Tactical Tunic
Glorious Burgerman of Eagleland
- Location
- Holy Terra
Interlude 26
Yes. And she can model those things because they all originate from the Entities.
An out of context problem, by its very definition is something she won't be able to initially model. Which isn't to say that her shard won't figure it out as more data is accumulated.
The ring wouldn't be an artificial blindspot, like the Entities, Eidolon or the Endbringers, but rather an unknown until she has more facts.
- Location
- Pittsburgh, PA
Once again: vanilla Worm is not capable of telling any story other than the one Wildbow decided he wanted told, because he's stuffed it full of DRM and other countermeasures in the form of Jack Slash, Contessa, Cauldron, the Endbringers, and Zion.
If you want to use Worm to tell a story, best to AU the hell out of things. Have Scion be dead. Assume Jacob choked on a stubborn baked bean in his windpipe down in that fallout shelter. Argue that maybe, just maybe, human society doesn't need psychic Big Brother controlling everything from behind the scenes to avoid instantaneous global apocalypse. Remove the standard Endbringer Trinity and have Earth-Bet's guess that they're out-of-control parahumans be right.
Take the good characters, the interesting setting ideas, and whatever else appeals to you about Worm and then incinerate the rest.
If you want to use Worm to tell a story, best to AU the hell out of things. Have Scion be dead. Assume Jacob choked on a stubborn baked bean in his windpipe down in that fallout shelter. Argue that maybe, just maybe, human society doesn't need psychic Big Brother controlling everything from behind the scenes to avoid instantaneous global apocalypse. Remove the standard Endbringer Trinity and have Earth-Bet's guess that they're out-of-control parahumans be right.
Take the good characters, the interesting setting ideas, and whatever else appeals to you about Worm and then incinerate the rest.
SparraNova
Dead Account Walking
- Location
- Some Wasteland
This Shit. This is why Aquaman sucks. He never left the Silver Age, and it fucking shows.
The Bushranger
In the Danger Zone
- Location
- TSAB Asura
Dude, don't be rude. It's his gameplay. Whatever floats his Zoat, amirite?
(Yeah, finding out how Zoat was pronounced was a bit of an adventure for me.)
(And I'm not seriously calling you rude.)
Krazyfan1
Worrying for the future.
- Location
- Australia
what? him actually ruling over the entire ocean? plus, ya know
zhuull
SB still lying to protect Racists what else is new
What sort of crazy talk is this? Those are the cutest incarnations of the super-pets I've ever seen.
It's even appropriate for this arc of the story. After all, check out Streaky in the second panel attempting to flirt with Teekl through the third wall.
So lewd.
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Fool's Canon (part 5)
- Location
- Hampden Park
1st April
16:48 GMT -5
"Orange Lantern. I have been meaning to ask you a question."
Mister Freeman is watching me thoughtfully as I look away from where the Atlanteans are manoeuvring the alien pod onto a STAR Labs flatbed lorry with gelatinous water pseudopods. Not much longer and we can all go home. I. Have. No idea what I'm going to put in my report about my experiences. "Sir?"
"Doctor Schwab accused you of being an 'SI'. I have been trying to determine what he meant by that, and I have been unable to do so. Does it mean anything to you?"
Well… Yes… "The use of the phrase which I am most familiar with… It would mean 'self insert'." He frowns slightly as he tries to work out what that means. "It's a term used in fiction to… Some authors create lead characters which are essentially them. Maybe… How they would ideally like to be… Or… Covering up their worst characteristics… The example that immediately comes to mind in published fiction is the character Jack Reacher being an idealised version of the author Lee Childs. But, um, any.. author is bound to put some aspects of their character and experiences into what they're writing…"
Mister Freeman stands there quietly for a moment. "Ambush Bug believes you to be a fictional character?"
No, Leonardo, we don't need to go any deeper. This is already far far too deep.
"He also said 'canon for the canon god, scribes for the scribe throne'. That was a clear reference to the fictional battlecry of the followers of the fictional chaos god Khorne: 'Blood for the Blood God, Skulls for the Skull Throne'."
"I am not familiar with-."
"Games Workshop. Their Warhammer setting. Khorne is chaos god of martial strife and bloodletting. Using it implies that I was literally driving him berserk. And.. possibly that he would be rewarded by a deity for killing me."
Mister Freeman nods. "A somewhat unusual motive."
"For conventional crime, certainly. For supervillains?"
"Most of the criminals I have fought to apprehend have been essentially mundane. Those who were not at least had mundane motives. Perhaps you would be best advised to speak with Batman." There's a slight hesitation. "Unless your empathic vision revealed more information about his motive."
I shake my head. "Couldn't see a thing. Probably.. the same as whatever was blocking my ring scans."
"Do you think his motivation is religious?"
"What, that he's a literal Khorne-worshipper? I think it's unlikely."
"Then I remain puzzled by his use of the word 'canon'. What body of texts does he believe that you are causing the world to deviate from?"
DC canon, presumably. Reed Richards -or whoever his opposition counterpart is- may be useless, but I'm not. Does Ambush Bug find acting outside the normal superheroic tropes offensive? Of course, there's a.. worse explanation. Before I came here, I was… I had only just started reading Hiver's stuff on Spacebattles. I'd just finished my Imperial Guard Tank Company and had ordered the bitz I needed to assess the feasibility of making a mega armoured Boar using a Juggernaut of Khorne and a Fantasy Boar's head. I wasn't really.. getting anywhere, and…
The alternative project…
I shudder. No. No. That sort of thing doesn't happen. And even if it did, I wouldn't know about it. It's like Descartes' Demon, there's no evidence for it. And… Yes, the other characters in settings with 4th wall breakers tend to just assume that they're insane when they are in fact right, and… That's pretty much what I'm trying to do here... No, it's stupid. It doesn't matter if I am fictional. This is the world I experience, that I live in. The people I have emotional attachments to. I can't just abandon that because someone -who probably is just a madman- shouts stuff at me. Head down, walk on.
It's that, or I try hunting down Alan Moore or Grant Morrison, and I'm just not ready for that.
My right hand goes to my forehead as my head dips slightly. "It doesn't have to have a religious meaning. It can just refer to any fictional setting. His use of the word 'canon' implies that he considers the rest of the world 'correct' in accordance with how the fictional universe in which the story takes place should be. As such, I believe it is possible that he thinks that we are all fictional characters, but that I'm some sort of Mary Sue author's pet. And that the story can't be good until I'm not in it any more."
"Then what would be canon?"
"I.. do come from a parallel universe." I look around as the others board, Roy returning to the pilot's station. "Maybe he… Maybe the suit makes him aware of that? So… To fix things he'd have to send me back to the universe I came from."
Rob looks around as we rise into the air. "Who's sending what back?"
"Camouflage active." Roy keeps his attention focused on his flying. "Orange Lantern, whenever you're ready."
"Orange Lantern hypothesized that Doctor Schwab is aware that he is not of our universe, and that that is what led to his attack."
I wave my right hand. "Basically just a guess. Transitioning back to Happy Harbour in three, two, one." The view through the front window flickers and is replaced with the Rhode Island coast.
"Oh. You.. going back to your Earth?"
"Not if I can help it. And all he really did was punch me." Ahead of us the hangar doors slide open. "I mean, he's not Klarion or anyt-."
There's a thump as something-. Several somethings land on the Bio-Ship, and-
BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!
-what look like cannons are fired in our general direction from the landing area. No, all directions, they still can't see us so they're using grapeshot. The cannons are manned by… Actual.. pirates. The things that landed on the Bio-Ship areohshit! I instruct the ship to open a hole in the roof as one of the robots finds enough purchase to bring its arm-mounted energy weapon to bear! My orange bolt hits it in the chest, knocking it free and sending it sailing across the hangar, the brilliant golden beam from its arm narrowly missing the hull! A second later Kaldur's water-bearers shoot up and strike the second and third, knocking them off as well. A quick scan of the hangar lake shows a total of twenty six in the water and heading for dry land.
"Avast, Young Justice!" Doctor Schwab is now dressed like a pirate, loose cotton shirt, baggy trousers and tricorn hat over his green union suit. The other twenty six pirates are either working to reload their cannons or trying to aim at us with their muskets. "You see! This is how it's supposed to go! Lunatics in crazy costumes throwing down for no adequately explained reason!"
BOOM! BOOMBOOM!
Roy glances at Kaldur. "Aqualad?"
"Use the ship's cannons. Destroy their artillery."
"Right." The guns deploy and there's a harsh buzzing noise as the beams cut cleanly through the cast iron of the cannons, pirates scrambling to get away in case it sets the powder off.
"Orange Lantern, can you get to your personal lantern?"
"Probably."
"Speedy, use the ship to knock them into the water, then hold back to fire on any further robots they may have in reserve. The rest of us will deal with the pirates while Orange Lantern recharges."
Roy throws the bio-ship into a tight turn and I recreate the hole in the roof before surging out. I see puffs as the pirates fire their muskets but those aren't any threat to my environmental shield.
Doctor Schwab looks quite put out. "Knew I shoulda brought cavemen and astronauts. Now where did the ship g-?"
Pirates go flying as the Bio-Ship ploughs into them. I see Doctor Schwab himself leap clear just before it reaches him and then vanish. Right, they've got this. I transition to my room and yank open the door, thrusting my hands forwards. "Recharge." My lantern appears from subspace and the twin beams of orange light-.
"Got-cha."
I feel a slight pressure on my back as Doctor Schwab presses a new insect thing to my back.
"Let's try something a little different this time."
"Why are you doing-?"
16:48 GMT -5
"Orange Lantern. I have been meaning to ask you a question."
Mister Freeman is watching me thoughtfully as I look away from where the Atlanteans are manoeuvring the alien pod onto a STAR Labs flatbed lorry with gelatinous water pseudopods. Not much longer and we can all go home. I. Have. No idea what I'm going to put in my report about my experiences. "Sir?"
"Doctor Schwab accused you of being an 'SI'. I have been trying to determine what he meant by that, and I have been unable to do so. Does it mean anything to you?"
Well… Yes… "The use of the phrase which I am most familiar with… It would mean 'self insert'." He frowns slightly as he tries to work out what that means. "It's a term used in fiction to… Some authors create lead characters which are essentially them. Maybe… How they would ideally like to be… Or… Covering up their worst characteristics… The example that immediately comes to mind in published fiction is the character Jack Reacher being an idealised version of the author Lee Childs. But, um, any.. author is bound to put some aspects of their character and experiences into what they're writing…"
Mister Freeman stands there quietly for a moment. "Ambush Bug believes you to be a fictional character?"
No, Leonardo, we don't need to go any deeper. This is already far far too deep.
"He also said 'canon for the canon god, scribes for the scribe throne'. That was a clear reference to the fictional battlecry of the followers of the fictional chaos god Khorne: 'Blood for the Blood God, Skulls for the Skull Throne'."
"I am not familiar with-."
"Games Workshop. Their Warhammer setting. Khorne is chaos god of martial strife and bloodletting. Using it implies that I was literally driving him berserk. And.. possibly that he would be rewarded by a deity for killing me."
Mister Freeman nods. "A somewhat unusual motive."
"For conventional crime, certainly. For supervillains?"
"Most of the criminals I have fought to apprehend have been essentially mundane. Those who were not at least had mundane motives. Perhaps you would be best advised to speak with Batman." There's a slight hesitation. "Unless your empathic vision revealed more information about his motive."
I shake my head. "Couldn't see a thing. Probably.. the same as whatever was blocking my ring scans."
"Do you think his motivation is religious?"
"What, that he's a literal Khorne-worshipper? I think it's unlikely."
"Then I remain puzzled by his use of the word 'canon'. What body of texts does he believe that you are causing the world to deviate from?"
DC canon, presumably. Reed Richards -or whoever his opposition counterpart is- may be useless, but I'm not. Does Ambush Bug find acting outside the normal superheroic tropes offensive? Of course, there's a.. worse explanation. Before I came here, I was… I had only just started reading Hiver's stuff on Spacebattles. I'd just finished my Imperial Guard Tank Company and had ordered the bitz I needed to assess the feasibility of making a mega armoured Boar using a Juggernaut of Khorne and a Fantasy Boar's head. I wasn't really.. getting anywhere, and…
The alternative project…
I shudder. No. No. That sort of thing doesn't happen. And even if it did, I wouldn't know about it. It's like Descartes' Demon, there's no evidence for it. And… Yes, the other characters in settings with 4th wall breakers tend to just assume that they're insane when they are in fact right, and… That's pretty much what I'm trying to do here... No, it's stupid. It doesn't matter if I am fictional. This is the world I experience, that I live in. The people I have emotional attachments to. I can't just abandon that because someone -who probably is just a madman- shouts stuff at me. Head down, walk on.
It's that, or I try hunting down Alan Moore or Grant Morrison, and I'm just not ready for that.
My right hand goes to my forehead as my head dips slightly. "It doesn't have to have a religious meaning. It can just refer to any fictional setting. His use of the word 'canon' implies that he considers the rest of the world 'correct' in accordance with how the fictional universe in which the story takes place should be. As such, I believe it is possible that he thinks that we are all fictional characters, but that I'm some sort of Mary Sue author's pet. And that the story can't be good until I'm not in it any more."
"Then what would be canon?"
"I.. do come from a parallel universe." I look around as the others board, Roy returning to the pilot's station. "Maybe he… Maybe the suit makes him aware of that? So… To fix things he'd have to send me back to the universe I came from."
Rob looks around as we rise into the air. "Who's sending what back?"
"Camouflage active." Roy keeps his attention focused on his flying. "Orange Lantern, whenever you're ready."
"Orange Lantern hypothesized that Doctor Schwab is aware that he is not of our universe, and that that is what led to his attack."
I wave my right hand. "Basically just a guess. Transitioning back to Happy Harbour in three, two, one." The view through the front window flickers and is replaced with the Rhode Island coast.
"Oh. You.. going back to your Earth?"
"Not if I can help it. And all he really did was punch me." Ahead of us the hangar doors slide open. "I mean, he's not Klarion or anyt-."
There's a thump as something-. Several somethings land on the Bio-Ship, and-
BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!
-what look like cannons are fired in our general direction from the landing area. No, all directions, they still can't see us so they're using grapeshot. The cannons are manned by… Actual.. pirates. The things that landed on the Bio-Ship areohshit! I instruct the ship to open a hole in the roof as one of the robots finds enough purchase to bring its arm-mounted energy weapon to bear! My orange bolt hits it in the chest, knocking it free and sending it sailing across the hangar, the brilliant golden beam from its arm narrowly missing the hull! A second later Kaldur's water-bearers shoot up and strike the second and third, knocking them off as well. A quick scan of the hangar lake shows a total of twenty six in the water and heading for dry land.
"Avast, Young Justice!" Doctor Schwab is now dressed like a pirate, loose cotton shirt, baggy trousers and tricorn hat over his green union suit. The other twenty six pirates are either working to reload their cannons or trying to aim at us with their muskets. "You see! This is how it's supposed to go! Lunatics in crazy costumes throwing down for no adequately explained reason!"
BOOM! BOOMBOOM!
Roy glances at Kaldur. "Aqualad?"
"Use the ship's cannons. Destroy their artillery."
"Right." The guns deploy and there's a harsh buzzing noise as the beams cut cleanly through the cast iron of the cannons, pirates scrambling to get away in case it sets the powder off.
"Orange Lantern, can you get to your personal lantern?"
"Probably."
"Speedy, use the ship to knock them into the water, then hold back to fire on any further robots they may have in reserve. The rest of us will deal with the pirates while Orange Lantern recharges."
Roy throws the bio-ship into a tight turn and I recreate the hole in the roof before surging out. I see puffs as the pirates fire their muskets but those aren't any threat to my environmental shield.
Doctor Schwab looks quite put out. "Knew I shoulda brought cavemen and astronauts. Now where did the ship g-?"
Pirates go flying as the Bio-Ship ploughs into them. I see Doctor Schwab himself leap clear just before it reaches him and then vanish. Right, they've got this. I transition to my room and yank open the door, thrusting my hands forwards. "Recharge." My lantern appears from subspace and the twin beams of orange light-.
"Got-cha."
I feel a slight pressure on my back as Doctor Schwab presses a new insect thing to my back.
"Let's try something a little different this time."
"Why are you doing-?"
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