Jackercracks
In a British accent
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- England
Alternatively, he could just be doing Guy a solid.
With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
- Thread starter Mr Zoat
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- Canada
He already was, doing what he did at the end undermined his position though.
Hugs for the hug god, ships for the shipping throne.
Nah. More than one, methinks.
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The Red Lantern Corps does not presently exist.
He doesn't really get anything out of helping the Terrors or Kadabra either. Even Jade is only marginally useful.
Nope, I started off making the mistake of reading comments instead of just the story and was rather confused by how blatant the comments were. Normaly I'm on the other side of this conversation.
no, I point out when people fail to take context into acount when making judgements about characters all the time, I've also been pointing out the problems with what people have been saying about Paul too.This is just the first time I've called them out for being sexist.
Tora was also calling this a good networking chance, Guy and Paul are the only ones calling this a double date.
Again, she has been given no reason to trust Paul, beyond that Guy voached for him, and she doesn't trust Guy either. And yes she has worked in intelligence, and this knows how powerful information is. She has more reason than most to be freaked out at how much Paul knows about her, and just how easy it would be for Paul OR Guy to stalk whoever they want.
I don't have a problem with gender specific insults on their own, but these insults are being in the same way with the same justification, that makes women uncomfortable in male dominated subcultures.
If it was a man doing it, and he was crucified in the comments, it would still be sexist towards women because the commenters would be ignoring that any abuse heaped on "Paula" is what she lets, since she has all the power in the situation, just like Paul does. If either legitimately thought Bea/Bernie was out of line they would be able to put an end to it at any time. All of these things being described are still sexist. Bea is being bitchy with mood swings, implication is women are irrational, Paul is a wimp for not pushing back, implying a man shouldn't be passive, Bernie is an abusive asshole, men shouldn't be physically dominating women though they totaly can, and Paula is week and needs to be protected. All of these are sexist tropes and oversimplifications rather than an analysis of their underlying motivations and the situation.
Paul might not have done anything wrong from his perspective, though in your example you did have "Paula" apologizing, but from Bea's perspective he did, and a non-apology isn't going to satisfy her. It's very understandable for her to still be upset.
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I always saw that as his desire to fix the world being put to use, him showing the world he can reform villains is part of his agenda to bring change. He also feels that them being villains is dumb so he gives them what they want, him doing it doesn't cost him anything, but he easily gets attached so he spends a bit more time on them than he needs to.
Silverias
Seeing is Believing
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- Squiddy Places
This is the only part of your post I'm even going to try to reply to.
Of course it's understandable. That was never the debate. SHE'S BEING RUDE. She has (Subjectively) good reasons for it, but that DOESN'T MAKE IT LESS RUDE.
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well yeah, but from her perspective it's justified rudeness, so its kinda petty to hold it against her.
And people aren't just accusing her of being rude, they're calling her bi-polar and Paul wimpy for letting her be angry. All of which is pretty sexist
Jackercracks
In a British accent
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- England
You have an extremely broad definition of sexism which I don't think I subscribe to, since it now seems to have grown to cover literally every difference between the reactions to men and women in the same situation. Alternatively, if that's the definition you've been using this whole time I feel a lot less bad about you accusing the board of sexism, since it is apparently a far milder thing than what I had in mind.
That's not a non-apology, it's a British apology.
Silverias
Seeing is Believing
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- Squiddy Places
The bi-polar remark was obviously because she went from seemingly calm to angry again very suddenly. It was flippant and not related to gender at all. The same thing would happen if Guy had been in her place.
The "OL is being wimpy" is, again, something that'd happen if Guy was the one acting like this to him. I disagree, I think he's just being tolerant cuz he thinks her outbursts are funny, but if Guy was acting like this and OL was just standing there letting him vent bile, then yeah, people would WITHOUT QUESTION be saying that Guy deserves to be shut up.
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Regardless of context she's being rude and abrasive, her have her reasons doesn't change that.
She never called it that, it was Bea who decided she'd go on the date to network.
So people having powers is a good reason to act awful toward them because they might use their power against her?
This statement is empty and is only a serie of buzzwords.
Wow, what a way to put women on a pedestrial, if something bad happen to a woman then it's sexist toward women, but if something bad happen to a man then it's still sexist toward women. I think I'm starting to see where you're coming from.
You can treat all differences between men and women as sexism if you so wishes, it's just not the way I see it.
It wasn't my example. In either case there shouldn't be an apology because there's nothing to be apologetic about. Doing so would only encourage the other party in their belief that they've been wronged and give them more ammunitions to work with.
Sylvie-chan
Pokemon Trainer
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Rudeness generally seems justified to the person being rude.
Jamie Roberts
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But time travel does, so ruling out Red Lanterns based only on chronology might be a bit pre/post mature.
I mean, lets all be honest with ourselves here; if Zoat knew that there were going to be time traveling Red Lantern Rings showing up, and someone asked a question about Red Lanterns in the present tense, saying that Red Lanterns do not presently exist is exactly how he'd respond.
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The woman makes a very good point.
Lets us table this very necessary please Ophidian no, make it stop argument about sexism in random internet forum posts, and instead spend a jolly good 6 pages talking about extradimensional future-Lanterns.
I have money on Bea actually being a genderbent alternate dimension Red Lantern Nylor Truggs!
Empiricist2
Let's play doctor!
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- Baton Rouge
*utterly ignoring the rest of the thread*
Zoat, could Dannered humans survive a drop from Low Earth Orbit? I think they could survive the hit to the ground at terminal velocity, they should be strong enough to hold their breath in against an atmosphere of pressure, and they should be able to keep warm enough for the few minutes it takes to reach the ground. Might need some goggles, but otherwise I think they could be fine.
Zoat, could Dannered humans survive a drop from Low Earth Orbit? I think they could survive the hit to the ground at terminal velocity, they should be strong enough to hold their breath in against an atmosphere of pressure, and they should be able to keep warm enough for the few minutes it takes to reach the ground. Might need some goggles, but otherwise I think they could be fine.
That might be one of the reasons so many of their former colonies have a spot of a grudge
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He remembered the moment he mentioned it.
The thing is it doesn't matter, what she wants to hear is that he regrets doing it.
Jackercracks
In a British accent
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- England
I think we do alright. The Canadians and Australians seem to like us just fine, while when Americans go on holiday they pretend to be Canadian.That might be one of the reasons so many of their former colonies have a spot of a grudge
Jamie Roberts
Hávamál 127
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"I need to know by Friday."
Empiricist2
Let's play doctor!
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- Baton Rouge
Thursday, actually. Really just trying to change the subject from the current shitshow
How about that Sodam Yat, eh? With OL trying to start his own corp, maybe he could give Yat some advice. He'll need it if he's going to restart the Green Lantern Corp (assuming he'll ever need to in this timeline).
SparraNova
Dead Account Walking
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We only pretend to be Canadian to avoid being judged for the endless parade of mental patients that run our country. (I have no doubt that Canadian politics are just as stupid, they just aren't well known internationally)
I got the impression that with the Terrors it was a combination of opportunity, and the desire to experiment.
He wanted to try reforming villains, he was in custody of the Terrors for a while, so they were right there anyway. And they were unrepentant but also non-crazy and so made good test subjects. Trying to reform them was a useful experience because it gave him a chance of trying to reform potentially redeemable villains with whom he didn't have a lot of psychological leverage to work with.
Now Kadabra was a good target since he was relatively easy. He wanted a thing that OL had to offer - access to training in real magic - and was rational enough to go for it.
Jade being the sister of a friend, redeeming her doesn't really need to be "useful" of course.
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