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Yet another argument explicitly contradicted by canon from Vaermina. POTUS (or was it a state governor) just did exactly what I described and no one is calling for impeachment
In Vaermina's defense, POTUS did NOT state in advance that anyone who killed Klarion would be pardoned. In fact, he very very carefully avoided preemptively offering a pardon. What actually happened was that he said he would be pragmatic about how he would handle a situation that could not be satisfyingly resolved under current jurisprudence.
 
In Vaermina's defense, POTUS did NOT state in advance that anyone who killed Klarion would be pardoned. In fact, he very very carefully avoided preemptively offering a pardon. What actually happened was that he said he would be pragmatic about how he would handle a situation that could not be satisfyingly resolved under current jurisprudence.
Plus he wasn't even the one who pardoned anyone lol
 
I can't believe you're seriously saying this. Why the heck would the entire Justice League mobilize to stop a sorcerer who didn't have at least the potential to do such a thing? Besides, the guy who called it in was Zatara, one of the world's magical experts, and he took Wotan seriously, which means we probably should, too.
If the magic spell in question has never been cast before how do you know it will work?

For guys like Klarion? Not really, no.
I can think of two off the top of my head that apply to Zoat-16.

Disrupt/destroy the leyline nexus points, since without those the big spells can't be cast. And we know that can be done from Paul's fight with the fear elemental.

Station defenses on the nexus points, not as good as above in keeping the big casters out but if for some reason you need to keep the nexus points intact it would work.

Do you really want to take the chance that the bad guys would wait for you to do a complete, trustworthy survey of every magic user on the planet? Besides, if they're skilled enough to even consider it, they're probably skilled enough to hide themselves. There is no way to tell, so you must assume the worst.
The only one with that kind of skill is Constantine, who just so happens to also be the per-eminant expect on everything magical.

Again, you want to risk them breaking out and executing another global or even nationwide attack just so that you can give an unrepentant monster a fair trial?
Yes, that's how the system works.

You can't judge someone for what they might do.

, on the other hand, might have potential, were it not for the fact that if such wards existed, Atlantis would probably have them (being a highly-advanced nation of magic-users). Since Atlantis was affected by Klarion, either they don't have such wards or they were insufficient.
Atlantis is in decline, and has been for awhile.

That said if one doesn't already exist develop one, I am sure Constantine and a few other magical experts working together could do it.
 
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If the magic spell in question has never been cast before how do you know it will work?

I swear, you are doing an excellent impersonation of someone trying to troll me. A magical expert was worried enough about another magical expert who intended to put out the Sun to call in the entire Justice League, and you're really trying to establish whether or not it would have worked? Zatara is not a moron, he's not going to cry wolf about something like this!

I can think of two off the top of my head that apply to Zoat-16.

Disrupt/destroy the leyline nexus points, since without those the big spells can't be cast. And we know that can be done from Paul's fight with the fear elemental.

Station defenses on the nexus points, not as good as above in keeping the big casters out but if for some reason you need to keep the nexus points intact it would work.

On the first point, I would advance carefully on that one, given that those seem important enough that destroying them could have bad effects on the planet as a whole. If not, then that would work, but I have my doubts that they have no effect on anything major whatsoever. On the second point, the only effective guards against mages of this caliber are going to be other mages and/or superheroes, and they simply don't have the time or the manpower to guard every significant site.

The only one with that kind of skill is Constantine, who just so happens to also be the per-eminant expect on everything magical.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Are you saying that only Constantine has the skill to hide himself, or that only Constantine has the skill to do such a survey? Either way, citation needed; while I don't doubt that Constantine could do either of those, I highly doubt he's the only one.

Yes, that's how the system works.

You can't judge someone for what they might do.

We're not. We're judging them based on the fact that they've already committed a major crime, such as attempted genocide. If they hadn't, we wouldn't even need to consider such drastic measures. If they have, then basic pattern analysis suggests that they would probably do so again.

That said if one doesn't already exist develop one, I am sure Constantine and a few other magical experts working together could do it.

Maybe. But as has been noted, Atlantis's wards weren't enough against Klarion. Wards aren't infallible, and so you can't place all your faith in them. Nor can you place all your faith in the idea that any genocidal sorcerers will considerately wait for you to finish your worldwide wards before launching their genocidal magic attack.
 
In the US a Trial in full Absentia like that would require repealing the 5th, 6th, and 14th amendments at the very least.
It really doesn't.
First of all, you could amend the amendments rather than outright repeal them. so that they have an exception.

Second of all, we have seen laws that make "exceptions" to amendments stand. For example death threats and shouting fire in theater are not protected as free speech. And gun free zones trump the second amendment.

Third, you are misinformed about what those amendments say
Fifth Amendment
The Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution provides, "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."
So long as there is an actual PROCESS created to try people in absentia then the 5th amendment is not violated, they were given their full due process (namely, a trial in absentia). Not to mention the 5th amendment has explicit exception for public danger (among its many other explicit exemptions).

Sixth Amendment
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.
This one is a little bit more iffy. Specifically the parts with being confronted with witnesses and being offered the chance to call their own and answer the accusations. It implies their physical presence in the trial (although not outright stating them). In retrospect. This could be addressed with allowing telepresence responses from the accused. if they choose not to use it that is their prerogative.
Or this might actually require some slight amendments for when and how to make an exception. The process of amending the constitution requires a 2/3rds majority vote
Constitutional Amendments - How is the Constitution amended?
this is more than doable

14th Amendment
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
this is saying STATES are not allowed to pass laws which take away people's rights. Nothing about the federal government

The rest of the stuff is not even remotely related to this
Section 2.

Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.
Section 3.

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Section 4.

The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
Section 5.

The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
 
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I think Superman 16 is on the lower end of Supermen, and so would actually die to a nuke if he was at ground zero of the detonation. Grayven, with both a power ring and new god physiology, barely survived a nuke the size of a briefcase. I think a nuke the size of a regular bomb would definitely kill anyone on Earth 16 aside from some edge cases.

Fun fact, YJ Superman actually was at effectively ground zero of a alien/hypertech bomb that, well. Easier to show.



Granted, it knocked him out cold, but he was otherwise fine.
 
Current real-world tech can easily make materials that absorb light of one frequency and re-emit it at another. Florescent lights for example. So it's no problem to make a suit of some sort that would allow a kryptonian to function under any sort of light.
 
Date Night (part 8)
26th March
13:26 GMT -5


"…forty nine?" Marilyn Crock looks across the table at Paula in complete amazement. "How do you manage it?"

Paula shoots a slightly awkward glance at me. "I.. suppose it would be just.. a good diet, regular exercise and favorable genetics."

It.. is sort of noticeable. She hasn't mentioned anyone else commenting on it, but at close quarters with the extended family it was inevitable someone would ask. I didn't ask Paula not to clue them in about who I am but I suppose that she's used to disguising Artemis' vocation, and if I get spotted there's an increased chance she will as well. After LexCorp, pictures of us are out there on the internet and with Artemis just wearing one of those mini-masks she is easy enough to recognise. Luckily it doesn't look as though the family Crock are much interested in that sort of thing.

Having struck out with Selina, I.. think I'm not going to bother trying hitting on Paula. Even if she said yes, it would just make things awkward with Jade and Artemis. And I know that she isn't really looking for that sort of relationship at the moment.

Marilyn looks impressed. "You'll have to show me your exercise plan some time."

She met Warren at the school where they both teach and they'll have been married for twenty six years this August. It used to be that in situations like this lunch I'd have no idea what to say, just finding the whole complex mass of cross purpose dialogues confusing. Now -I'm not sure if it's the ring or all the adventures I've been on this year- I have to hold myself back from constantly interjecting. This is about letting Jade -and to a lesser extent Artemis- form social bonds with her family.

"Huh. Maybe you should use Arty's plan instead." Laurence Senior's right hand shakes slightly as he lifts his bread to his mouth. He's trying to eat while moving his hands as little as possible, forearms resting on the table surface when not carrying food. He lost -obviously- but I doubt many octogenarians can manage as many push ups as he did before Cynthia made him stop. Cynthia notices the shake and as she does so he notices that she's noticed, returning his arm to the table surface as she makes a very small shake of her head.

Matthew rubs his left shoulder where Jade used a shoulder lock on him during their spar. Nice to see her letting her hair down like that, though I think he found it to be a somewhat humbling experience. "Hey, ah… Jade? If it's not too personal a question?"

She shifts very slightly in her seat. "You can always ask."

"That.. organisation you were a member of..? What exactly was it? I mean, was it some kind of terrorist-."

Marilyn shakes her head at her son. "Matthew."

"I'm not saying-."

"It's okay, Missus Crock-."

"Oh, call me Aunt Marilyn dear."

Jade hasn't quite got her head around this yet. I suppose it's her first exposure to a normal family. Her normal family. "I'm-. I was a member of the League of Shadows."

Lawrence Senior frowns. "Wasn't that some kinda crazy supervillain cult the Justice League broke up last year?"

I suppose it makes sense that they'd have heard of it. The attack on Infinity Island was on the news, though interest in the trials and arrests rather petered out after a week or so.

Paula glances at Jade, who goes completely still for a moment. "You.. could put it like that. I'm sorry, my lawyer said that I shouldn't talk about-."

Cynthia pats her hand. "That's fine, dear. Paul, could you pass the salad dish?"

"Certainly." I nearly float it over, but remember myself a split second later and pick it up with my right hand instead to pass it across to her.

Matthew rolls his shoulder again. "Sure did a good job of training you up."

"All the best businesses invest in their people. And the Shadows were really more of a business than a cult. Kobra are the more culty ones."

Cynthia takes the bowl with a certain firmness which I take to mean that the topic is to be dropped. "So Paul, what is it you do?"

"Whatever takes my fancy, really. I suppose the most interesting thing I've been doing recently is, ah… Working with a company called KordTech and a chap from Atlantis to create a weather control system."

Lawrence looks interested. "What sort of weather control are you talking about there?"

"Earlier this week I watched the prototypes create a miniature storm inside a warehouse in New York with three control drones."

Warren frowns. "KordTech. I know that name from somewhere…"

Lawrence leans forwards slightly. "Is that a weapon they're planning on selling to Uncle Sam?"

"No, they're… The aim is to have the system ready for hurricane season, stick them in any major storms that make landfall and.. pretty much turn them off. Ted's not keen on making weapons."

"Why the-" A fraction-second glance at his wife. "-heck not?"

"Plenty of people build weapons, but the only people who've built weather control systems to date have been crazy." I shrug. "What's more important, another very expensive way to kill people or a way to prevent billions of dollars of property damage each year? To say nothing of the loss of life."

He doesn't look entirely happy with my tree-hugger response, but it looks like he's going to let it go for the moment. "KordTech's an American company, yeah?"

"Mostly." I nod. "There are some foreign shareholders, but the company is registered in America and the fellow running it is American."

"Oh, that's it." Warren nods. "Wasn't there some sort of demo back in.. February..? They're working on teleportation, aren't they?"

"The system they've got works, it's just a matter of getting to the point where they can produce enough units to sell as a coherent system."

He nods. Either he's covering it pretty well or he doesn't remember the face of the person doing the announcement well enough to match it with the face he's seeing now.

"Mister.. Crock Senior? May I ask you a question."

He smiles at Missus Nguyen. "Ah heck, you don't need to call me that. Lawrence is fine."

"Thank you. You would have been with the American army during the Vietnam War, yes?"

He nods. "I was serving with the First."

"Where in the country were you stationed?"

"Oh, a bunch of places. Anywhere that had the front line near it, I was probably there sometime." She nods. "You have a lot of contact with the army back then?"

She nods. "Yes, but not with you. I was organizing resistance units in American occupied cities. I was worried that we might have shot at each other, but now I do not think that can have happened."

He stares at her for a moment, before making a small snort and giving her a lopsided smile. "Well if that don't beat all. Finally found a VC."
 
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She nods. "Yes, but not with you. I was organising resistance units in American occupied cities. I was worried that we might have shot at each other, but now I do not think that can have happened."

He stares at her for a moment, before making a small snort and giving her a lopsided smile. "Well if that don't beat all. Finally found a VC."

Hah! I like grandma Nguyen.
 
He doesn't look entirely happy with my tree-hugger response, but it look like he's going to let it go for the moment.
Laughed way more than I should have at this moment.
She nods. "Yes, but not with you. I was organizing resistance units in American occupied cities. I was worried that we might have shot at each other, but now I do not think that can have happened."

He stares at her for a moment, before making a small snort and giving her a lopsided smile. "Well if that don't beat all. Finally found a VC."
Well at least he is making the best out of it.
 
They probably don't glow unless he does something and eyes may have more possible colours than they do in our universe.
 
you know, I just realized something. Orange lantern rather publicly was seen wiping out a small army with powerful xenotech, and people still think of him as the cake guy. years from now when alien reporters comer to earth to do a piece on the mighty leader of the Orange lantern corps they are going to be surprised that the locals call him the cake man.
 
"They systems they've got works
The systems they've got work
or
The system they've got works

I'm honestly quite shocked people still haven't managed to associate "the weird British Orange Lantern" with "Paul, the weird British guy in suspiciously good shape." Then again, Clark Kent doesn't even need a tiny mask.
 
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