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*facepalm* How did I forget that? :( Thanks for reminder.
To be fair, death is a revolving door in comics: true resurrection, cloning, coming back as a ghost or undead lich, etc.

Or it could be amusing if the next time OL visits Hades (*cough*Melinoeo*cough*) he runs into Queen Bee.

OL: "What are you doing in the Greek afterlife?"
Queen Bee: "The toga parties I did back in college count as 'organized religion'."
OL: "Ahhh, that explains all the frat boys."
Undead Frat boys: "Toga! Toga! Toga!"
 
Sure, from the outside perspective it's really skeevy because the writers did the whole "she's a young girl with a childhood crush" thing first, and then changed it in a rather arbitrary and unconvincing fashion. And I certainly understand regarding it as a creepy and unfortunate storyline. But from within the story, the explanation behind it covers all the objections and is presumably plausible, given Hal accepted it. And I find storylines and characters that differ significantly from conventional standards to be the most interesting - a plot line revolving around the debatable legitimacy of artificial personality traits is more interesting than one in which the whole thing is dismissed out of hand with "she's drawn young-looking so we're going to treat her as a human child without further thought". It's part of why I find Captain Marvel such an interesting character - he regularly undergoes a transformation that explicitly changes who he is mentally, which raises all sorts of interesting questions.

But yeah, the actual storyline as written was kinda lacking in the interesting parts, and seemed more focused on some sort of wish-fulfilment on the part of the author. Though I did see an analysis that suggested that it was intended to a "appearances don't matter as much as what you are inside" special message kind of thing, in which case it was just handled somewhat poorly - if she was meant to have been an adult all along, who merely appeared young to humans, then the backstory of Hal rejecting her due to her not being mature enough doesn't fit, and nor does the idea of her mind having been aged-up along with her body.

Yes, but what you're talking about is not happening, and in my experience, it only happens so that people can turn little girls into cheesecake. That's why loli fanservice is a thing in anime.
 
Things That Turned Out Bad - The Relationship Between Hal Jordan and Arisia | Comics Should Be Good @ CBR

This article has relevant quotes. According to the original story, Arisia was aged mentally as well as physically. If you take that at face value, then the fans who objected later on were objecting *only* to her calendar age; she was biologically and mentally an adult. Yes, it was a schoolgirl crush before the age-up, but not after the age-up.

There was also a later retcon which said she was actually much older in Earth years, which isn't mentioned in that article, but someone mentions in it in the comments, making her 240 Earth years.

the basic idea of a very young girl willing herself to be older so she can sleep with a grown man is all kinds of creepy. Even if some in story magic lets her will herself into emotional maturity (and that kind of mental self editing is a whole new can of worms) it still feels incredibly creepy. especially when they could have just had her species grow up faster than explicitly making her a young child by her native people standards.

Even in universe its creepy as hell. A child just rewrote her mind into that of an adult because she wanted to sleep with someone, I'm willing to bet that kind of invasive mental modification is either risky or taboo since we almost never see it done. Even if she did it perfectly she just gave up her childhood because it was between her and getting laid.
 
They didn't do so in the actual comic though did they?

No, but I see enough of it in anime to be weary of it, and this sort of thing is pretty much it.

the basic idea of a very young girl willing herself to be older so she can sleep with a grown man is all kinds of creepy. Even if some in story magic lets her will herself into emotional maturity (and that kind of mental self editing is a whole new can of worms) it still feels incredibly creepy. especially when they could have just had her species grow up faster than explicitly making her a young child by her native people standards.

Even in universe its creepy as hell. A child just rewrote her mind into that of an adult because she wanted to sleep with someone, I'm willing to bet that kind of invasive mental modification is either risky or taboo since we almost never see it done. Even if she did it perfectly she just gave up her childhood because it was between her and getting laid.

Yeah, it is hard to make that kind of thing not be creepy. They really should have just had Hal explain why it is wrong and leave it at that.
 
random_npc; Blight: Please bear in mind that creepiness is subjective. What one person might find creepy another might just find thought provoking or fascinating, especially if an idea is explored well (all too rare sadly :().
For instance, Asimov wrote a number of stories that many would consider creepy, nevertheless an even greater number find them quite thought provoking. Some might even find them both creepy and thought provoking!

On a personal note: The creepiest story I've ever read is actually a sci-fi by Greg Egan called "The Cutie".

EDIT: Ok, I just realized we're starting to get a bit off topic, we should probably stop.
 
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To be fair, death is a revolving door in comics: true resurrection, cloning, coming back as a ghost or undead lich, etc.

Or it could be amusing if the next time OL visits Hades (*cough*Melinoeo*cough*) he runs into Queen Bee.

OL: "What are you doing in the Greek afterlife?"
Queen Bee: "The toga parties I did back in college count as 'organized religion'."
OL: "Ahhh, that explains all the frat boys."
Undead Frat boys: "Toga! Toga! Toga!"
... actually less weird than some of the stuff that happened to, for example, Swamp Thing or the Doom Patrol (which would be an interesting team-up).
 
Pretty sure Nyx is a titan and thus way scarier than him and there's a difference between him being able and willing to tell other gods what to do and him being able and willing to do whatever the fuck he wants himself regardless of what other gods tell him to do.
Nyx like Gaia is a primordial deity, and older than the Titans. Although OL refers to Gaia as a Titan anyway.

It's also worth noting that Larfleeze in the comics has several abilities OL lacks - like absorbing magic, capturing the souls of the recently dead, and "eating" incoming attacks to become stronger while rendering yourself impervious - which, according to WoG, are a result of his greater skill.
And his insane levels of avarice. Paulphidian could probably match Larfleeze there, but not sane-mode OL.

Well Truggs and Klarion are creative enough to tell Zeus what to do and probably wily enough to make him think it was his idea.
I doubt Truggs could even contact him. And Klarion may be clever in some ways, but I don't think that diplomacy is one of them.
 
Nyx like Gaia is a primordial deity, and older than the Titans. Although OL refers to Gaia as a Titan anyway.
Good catch. A lot of people forget that there are three generations. In one game it set it up as the earlier they were the more powerful they are and more unkillable but also the more limited they are. Like Hypnos who's just asleep all the time derping around in the dream realm but is also unkillable and could fight off pretty much all the Olympians when they woke him up.
I doubt Truggs could even contact him. And Klarion may be clever in some ways, but I don't think that diplomacy is one of them.
Well yeah but Klarion is a fairly decent minion as long as you don't care about him occasionally going rogue and he could contact Zeus for Truggs. Not to mention that if Abracadaniel could learn how to summon an elemental that quickly Truggs can probably figure out magic pretty well.
 
To be fair, death is a revolving door in comics: true resurrection, cloning, coming back as a ghost or undead lich, etc.
True.

"So so true."

:lol

Paulphidian is pretty much nothing but avarice (even more so than normal post-enlightenment Paul who's just 99% avarice), I'd bet he'd exceed Larfleeze in raw power even if not in skill.
The's no bet there, he is part Emotional entity, he'd exceed him to total curbstomp levels.
 
Please bear in mind that creepiness is subjective. What one person might find creepy another might just find thought provoking or fascinating, especially if an idea is explored well (all too rare sadly :().

Well, that is why the first amendment protects some obscene/pornographic material as long as it has some kind of "value", as decided on a case to case basis by the U.S. Supreme Court. Unfortunately, as you said, it is "all too rare". I am now all too weary of the not-jailbait characters, characters who are children that can be conveniently sexualized because they are not actually children. :mad:

When I was a young teen and first into anime and the like, I was not as bothered by that sort of thing because the characters were closer to my age and I was not as self-aware, but now that I know better, it has become increasingly hard to find examples that are not creepy in some regard. I do find Sailor Moon to be rather good because it avoids the awkward cheesecake poses most superheroines make. See here.
 
Billy Batson is emotionally more mature whenever he turns into Captain Marvel, and I don't anyone would argue that he should have a relationship with any adult.

It was my impression that he generally is *not* presented as emotionally mature when he becomes Captain Marvel, regardless of having the Wisdom of Solomon.
 
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I am now all too weary of the not-jailbait characters, characters who are children that can be conveniently sexualized because they are not actually children. :mad:

Most of those characters are not children in years, but are children physically and emotionally.

That's the *opposite* from Arisia, who was a child in years, but not physically or emotionally.

And Arisia isn't that different from Superboy. Superboy is emotionally and physically much older than his age in years as well. Not by as much (he's still a teenager), but by enough that he can get into relationships that would be inappropriate for normal humans who are that many years old.
 
Why are the sections in Date night spelled out as opposed to just having the numbers? 'Date Night (Part One)' as opposed to 'Date Night (Part 1)'
 
When I was a young teen and first into anime and the like, I was not as bothered by that sort of thing because the characters were closer to my age and I was not as self-aware, but now that I know better, it has become increasingly hard to find examples that are not creepy in some regard. I do find Sailor Moon to be rather good because it avoids the awkward cheesecake poses most superheroines make. See here.
Have you tried Puella Magi Madoka Magica? No sexualization there as far as I recall.
 
the basic idea of a very young girl willing herself to be older so she can sleep with a grown man is all kinds of creepy. Even if some in story magic lets her will herself into emotional maturity (and that kind of mental self editing is a whole new can of worms) it still feels incredibly creepy. especially when they could have just had her species grow up faster than explicitly making her a young child by her native people standards.

Even in universe its creepy as hell. A child just rewrote her mind into that of an adult because she wanted to sleep with someone, I'm willing to bet that kind of invasive mental modification is either risky or taboo since we almost never see it done. Even if she did it perfectly she just gave up her childhood because it was between her and getting laid.

well look at it this way your a young women about twenty or so who likes an older guy in his late thirty's or early forty's unforchently the county he lives in says that you have to look like older to date him thats what I see as happens in the comic Arisia race just ages better but the people who see her assume shes a child so she changes herself to fit in and answer me this at 250 years of age would you prefer her to get with a child or someone whose an adult to be honest the way I see it people are saying she shouldn't get to be with anyone just because of her looks
 
well look at it this way your a young women about twenty or so who likes an older guy in his late thirty's or early forty's unforchently the county he lives in says that you have to look like older to date him thats what I see as happens in the comic Arisia race just ages better but the people who see her assume shes a child so she changes herself to fit in and answer me this at 250 years of age would you prefer her to get with a child or someone whose an adult to be honest the way I see it people are saying she shouldn't get to be with anyone just because of her looks

Except she was not "like 20" she was "like 13" by both the standards of humans and her own race.

Seriously it was an ill thought out, creepy story line stop trying to justify it.
 
Have you tried Puella Magi Madoka Magica? No sexualization there as far as I recall.

Yeah, I have seen that show.

well look at it this way your a young women about twenty or so who likes an older guy in his late thirty's or early forty's unforchently the county he lives in says that you have to look like older to date him thats what I see as happens in the comic Arisia race just ages better but the people who see her assume shes a child so she changes herself to fit in and answer me this at 250 years of age would you prefer her to get with a child or someone whose an adult to be honest the way I see it people are saying she shouldn't get to be with anyone just because of her looks

To me, it is the way that the character is introduced and presented. And it is presented as "she once was a little girl, but now she's older and ready to be sexualized!" Clearly, it is the fault of Earth's myopic beliefs for not allowing a formerly 13-year old girl to be with a 30+ year old hunk.

Also, ninja'd by kjyl!
 
To me, it is the way that the character is introduced and presented. And it is presented as "she once was a little girl, but now she's older and ready to be sexualized!" Clearly, it is the fault of Earth's myopic beliefs for not allowing a formerly 13-year old girl to be with a 30+ year old hunk.
So your objection is that people who were once 13-year old girls shouldn't be with 30+ year old hunks? :p ;)
 
So your objection is that people who were once 13-year old girls shouldn't be with 30+ year old hunks? :p ;)

My objection is that people who were 13-year old girls only a couple of years ago shouldn't be with 30+ year old hunks just because they gained bigger boobs and claimed their emotional maturity matches their looks.

This discussion is making me uncomfortable. Please stop?
 
well look at it this way your a young women about twenty or so who likes an older guy in his late thirty's or early forty's unforchently the county he lives in says that you have to look like older to date him thats what I see as happens in the comic Arisia race just ages better but the people who see her assume shes a child so she changes herself to fit in and answer me this at 250 years of age would you prefer her to get with a child or someone whose an adult to be honest the way I see it people are saying she shouldn't get to be with anyone just because of her looks



except in the story it's portrayed that she's a child by her own people's standards as well as by human ones. For example when hal points out she's 13 instead of saying something like "my species matures twice as fast as humans" she says her world circles the its sun twice as fast as earth so she's really 26? She wouldn't be saying something like that if she was actually mature by her people's standards. Even if we accept the later retcon that she's actually 250 that doesn't change the fact that she was mentally a child. You notice how when talking to hal about her age up she explicitly says her mind matured with the rest of her? she wouldn't be saying that if she was mentally an adult before her major mental edit.

now there are a lot of ways they could have made this interesting, an alien species who has a clean break between being a child and being an adult, a species who reaches mental maturity faster than physical maturity, a species that has a child like mind for its entire life, or even just a species that matures at twice the speed of a human. None of those were used, it is explicitly a case of a very young child drastically altering her mind and body because she wants to sleep with an adult.


actually now that I think about it, I kind of want her to appear in the story, if only because I'm really curious what an in depth look at her mind would reveal. She went from mentally a young teenager to mentally a young adult, I can't help but feel that taking a closer look at exactly how that happened would yield useful information about using the various lights of emotion for therapeutic uses, as well just being kinda interesting.
 
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