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(since the law does not explicitly cover possession, according to USA law possession is thus perfectly legal as per the constitution's enumeration of rights clause)
Actually I'm pretty sure that would be slavery, since he's being held against his will. The fact that he agreed doesn't matter because he was under duress (become my host or your daughter will never have a free life).

I'm also not sure what the Enumeration of Rights (9th amendment) has to do with this. The 9th amendment says that people have rights that aren't specifically mentioned in the Constitution. Are you trying to say that Nabu has the right to possess people?
 
Actually I'm pretty sure that would be slavery, since he's being held against his will.
Slavery is not being held against your will, being held against your will (anywhere other than a government prison) is called "false imprisonment".

Also, he is not being held anywhere, he is being possessed. You cannot just arbitrarily decide to call one thing another thing and have it be legally binding. You might as well say that rape is theft because sex is being taken without permission, or that murder is theft because "a life was stolen". The law does not accept metaphors, and a good thing it doesn't too because there is no end to the ways this can be abused.

The fact that he agreed doesn't matter because he was under duress (become my host or your daughter will never have a free life).
Except that is not how it went down.
1. Zatana voluntarily put nabu on, she was not kidnapped by him, she willingly got possessed so she could use his powers, hoping she can get unpossessed
2. Nabu did no such thing, It was zatara's idea to make the exchange. It would be akin to a father approaching a lender and asking to pay his daughter's loans
3. That being said, Zatara's agreement to being possessed is likely not going to be upheld in court dur to the duress portion. It was nothing like how you present it which is frankly a strawman and loaded with metaphors, but duress was involved and it should invalid the agreement as far as the USA is concerned. However it is not invalid as far as the lords of order and other supernaturals are concerned.
4. I am not saying it is moral, this is one of those "technically legal, but reprehensible" things.
It should be illegal to possess someone after they no longer wish to be possessed, and if they weren't such a bunch of idiots they would have actually made a law against possession already, but most governments in the setting are criminally incompetent when it comes to handling the supernatural.
 
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If only there were legal precedent involving someone willingly being subjected to controlling magic, but then being held against their will well beyond their acceptance of the mystic fetters. Possibly involving a muse of some sort.
 
I'm pretty sure it's illegal to hold onto someone past the point at which they want you to let them go. Like if you lend a friend a car or a house or something, thats legal - but if they keep it past when you want them to give it back then it's theft.
 
I think the slavery argument still holds water. Legally speaking, it has nothing to do with actually "owning" a human being or confining them. At least in the US, slavery is defined as "involuntary servitude" which absolutely applies to Mr. Zatara at the moment.

The 13th Amendment can even apply to such circumstances as an employer levying excessive penalties against an employee for quitting or the mafia threatening to kill your family if you don't do what they tell you to do.

EDIT: I actually had a lawyer tell me that in a consultation because I was actually IN the position of being fired and then having excessive penalties applied against me.
 
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When I was little, I watched a cartoon. Don't remember what it was called, but I do remember that the villains were this group of Ducks. I mean, always. Every episode they'd show up to be dicks to the heroes, fail, flee and then return next week. I asked my mother 'why is it always them, Mum?' and she said 'because children like repetition'.

I think.
It was a while ago.

Didn't make sense to me, even then. I mean, these Ducks were going seriously out of their way. Did they not have better things to do? Didn't they have lives? Didn't they see a pattern in their beatings? And was there really no one else in the whole who ever had a problem with the heroes?
And if that segment still doesn't work for you, look on the bright side: Grayven's back tomorrow!
My apologies for coming back to this, but it has been bugging me for several days.

You have gone to considerable trouble to establish that serious supervillains are demonstrably competent to get to a position where they wield significant power, regardless of their particular brainbug.
And that they react in an intelligent manner to changing circumstances.

Ra's got shot in the head by OL, who was exhibiting new capabilities.
He took intelligent countermeasures, by stopping appearing in public and warding all his stuff.
OL only found him again by the application of overwhelming force a la the Ophidian, and even then he eluded capture.

Klarion lost to OL the first time around and lost his cat.
He then invested in a ring jammer and acquired a djinn.
Then he then acquired even more allies and helped take over the Justice League, and still got away from his last encounter with the .

Vandal Savage was batting a perfect score until the sharp reversal after they took over the Justice League.
And that was a close thing for the good guys; he brought lots of allies with him, and made no stupid mistakes.

Even Ocean Master almost manipulated his way to success, save for a lack of familiarity with the spectrum of abilities available to a power ring.

Then there's Truggs.



Now compare this with the late Beena of Bialya.
You have portrayed her, outside of her designs on Qurac, as a competent ruler with competent underlings running a reasonably prosperous state.
The dictator of a nation state, with all the resources of a nation-state at her disposal, who has watched a significant number of her associates come a cropper.

OL and the Team have directly attacked her and her interests at least twice: when they interrupted the Quraci conquest, and again when they hit the New Genosian tech research base and grabbed the Sphere.
Another JL affiliate burned her face when she attempted a discreet assassination in retaliation.
OL left a half-mile high naked statue of himself in her nation.
She takes no countermeasures, invests in no contingencies, calls on no favors. Fails to step up her game, or get out of the game altogether.

Her neighbors in Kahndaq acquire a Captain Marvel tier superhuman with an interest in geopolitics and no compunction about lethal violence.
Why didn't the smart woman she is characterized as have a deterrent, like nations do when their neighbors start investing in weapons?

She has demonstrated access to Apokoliptian weapons, and could make deals for explosives like the self-destruct on the giant robot.
She is on speaking terms with Luthor, who put a self-destruct under his HQ, and with the Brain.
She is a member of the Light, with access to it's resources; everything from magic, like whatever the Injustice League used to spawn plants across the globe, to tech like the weather manipulation ice fortress things.
She could hire directly, like asking Truggs to hook her up with Dark Druid for something like the Shadow thing, either as a bodyguard or a missile warhead; given that Truggs consulted on Ishamael's role in the Sabbac Incident, he isn't that scrupulous.

She could even buy cruise missiles on the open market, add wards to prevent them being scryed and mount them on dispersed truck-launchers; if Bane could McGuyver Taiwanese surface to surface missiles to be truck-launched, a nation-state can afford it.
In the real world, the Saudis, bless their paranoid hearts, have run a ballistic missile force for decades, with the first missiles acquired from China back in 1988.
And that was when they were still friendly with the Iraqis, despite Saddam's stockpiling of Scuds and Bull guns.

Any one of those things would have kept Adom from killing or deposing her out of hand, on pain of retaliatory attack on his nation.
Why did none of it occur to her or her advisors?
The Light here invested more effort in keeping Speedy alive and in a stasis tube in a nuclear silo than one of their leaders did in her own safety.
That's wrong.

Then there are the circumstances of her death; why would she arrange a press conference BEFORE a meeting she was coerced into?
And then try to mind-whammy Adom during it?
I mean, this is OL's assessment of her power:
Oct28 2014 Update said:
Kon snorts. "Not a fan."
Batman's gaze is level and calm. "Few are."

Pheromone based mental manipulation. Nothing my environmental shield can't see off easily enough, though if we close to short range I might have to extend it over any thralls she's picked up. If by some I miracle couldn't just knock her out right away. As powers go it's useful for subtle manipulation but surely by this stage it's like Succubae in the Salvation War, where the only way anyone will negotiate with them is in a heavily air conditioned room or with a gas mask on. Plus, she's ruling a blooming country. It can't leave her much front line time.

*SNIP*

"Queen Bee has to be controlling Harjavti. Doesn't she have the power to enthrall most men?" I doubt Robin's right. Doctor Jones would be a more obvious choice. Rulers of entire nations can't just turn up in places without a huge fuss being made. And her control isn't permanent. If she's not reinforcing it...

"And some women. But not long distance, and we have confirmation she hasn't left Bialya. Something else is at work here."
Between Truggs and Red Arrow the mole, Light members have a good idea of just what an Orange Lantern can do.

So why would she do this?
Can't be panic; the stone-cold woman who maintained composure while Grayven was assimilating her up to 40%(Nov10 2014 Update) is not the sort to panic because one superhuman is making unsupported claims.


You have been putting out consistently high quality of output over two years with this fic.
But I have to say that in my opinion you dropped the ball here.
Just my two cents.
 
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Had to look it up since the conversation happened before I was very active here, but The Network for the Establishment and Maintenance of Order. Didn't see if any specifics were given, but essentially the joint organization that OL will form with the Controllers and Darkstars.

What about their opposite number, the Department of Oppression and Repression with Yellow? :V
 
The organization founded by the Controllers and that included the Darkstars.

Creation

The Controllers created NEMO, the Network for the Establishment and Maintenance of Order. NEMO would keep the troubles of the galaxy away from the Controllers' domain. The Controllers did not intend to use NEMO to benefit other races, but it did. Over the millennia the Controllers realized they would have to take a more active stance by attacking chaos at its roots. Despite all the good they did, there were too many NEMO operatives in too many different places. NEMO and the Controllers devised a new plan to ensure order. The Darkstars were created. The first of these new protectors was named Druu, one of a thousand to carry the name Darkstar.
It's interesting to note that while in the normal timeline it was the withdrawal of Controller support that shut down the Darkstars, in this timeline the ultimate arbiter will be OL. Being bonded to the Ophidian, he is the gatekeeper of the Orange Light, however polite he's going to be about it. Something Mr Zoat has mentioned that the Controllers will be aware of and not entirely happy about.
 
Being bonded to the Ophidian, he is the gatekeeper of the Orange Light, however polite he's going to be about it. Something Mr Zoat has mentioned that the Controllers will be aware of and not entirely happy about.
Is there any location where Zoat has said a lot about the future structure about the OLC? I've wanted to make a repository of WoZ comments across all threads., but not without other people helping, and certainly not when I'm also reading through the entire story for typos.
 
I honestly am a bit opposed to a WoZ repository, since the fic is in progress and an everchanging beast

If he decides to change something, people will make a fuss, "But that's not what you said two years ago!"
 
I honestly am a bit opposed to a WoZ repository, since the fic is in progress and an everchanging beast

If he decides to change something, people will make a fuss, "But that's not what you said two years ago!"
I don't mean to hold him to it, but it would be useful to be able to direct someone to a centralized location rather than have very similar questions answered repeatedly, or just not be answered at all. I might put a disclaimer along the lines of "All remarks about future events are not to be taken as guaranteed to happen"
 
He did at least temporarily in order to get the Ophidian.

Or Larfleeze is actually being patient for once.
You have to plan for this shit.

No, Larfleeze (as expected) lost his shit when a bunch of 'His' rings flew off into space. But he can't directly sense Paul/the thief, so he sent out a bunch of Construct Lanterns out to search, that's what was happening during the 'Spring in Blume' episode.
 
I was thinking more "a series of true answers leading up to the day, then *pow!*". I'm moderately sure none of his posts have been posted on April 1st yet.
It's the 18th of March. The April the 1st episode is the episode after next.
It wasn't connected. He updated its specs based on scans of Guy's (maybe Stewart's?) personal lantern, and he got unlimited charging capabilities because of the Ophidian, but he didn't connect to the OCPB.
Oh yes he did.
You have been putting out consistently high quality of output over two years with this fic.
But I have to say that in my opinion you dropped the ball here.
Just my two cents.
There was a certain implication in the post you quoted which I fear you may have missed.

Oh, and I apologise if the grammar and spelling are worse than normal. My computer had an episode last night and I couldn't proofread it.
 
Carpe Tempus (supplementary, Renegade option)
18th March
14:27 GMT -6


Beneath us, traffic slows as people stare at my construct. Sinestro, monitor and let me know if anyone's about to crash.

If I must, Corpsman.

"Why the Light?"

"Fair question. The Light… Have identified a real problem, but are trying to address it in supervillain ways. But, with Klarion dead… I think… I think I might be able to persuade them to alter the way they work a little. I mean, within limits, they're certainly not going to become 'nice guys'. You know, retarget their energies a bit."

"You.. do remember that time they mind controlled the entire Justice League?"

"Yes, and what did they get out of it? Earned themselves a place on China's shit list as well as ours. I'm.. going to try and make them see that."

She looks away from me, taking in our environment as we step off the bridge. I'm tempted to make it start evaporating from the back so that Orana has to hurry… No. "Are we going somewhere for my check-up?"

I shake my head. "You don't need a check-up. You're fine. The magic is integrating perfectly into your expanded metaphysique, and according to Father Box it's going to keep doing that."

"So, why did you want to see-" She glances back at Orana. "-us?"

"Conversation isn't reason enough?" I smile winsomely at her. She's not buying it. "While I was on Earth Fifty, I met your alter ego. She was able to speed up the rate at which I heal by dumping raw magic into me. It occurred to me that if we had a device that could do that… Some sort of mana siphon or infuser… Then I and everyone else who's gone through the Awakening could power themselves up faster. I want to commission you to design and build it. Obviously I'll pay you for your work-."

"Hey, whow." She shakes her head. "That's.. way outside what I know how to do."

"Zatanna, you're the New Goddess of Magic. This is your domain. This is what you're for. Unless you'd rather get a weekend job… Delivering papers.. or.. pouring coffee? I've culled a few ideas from some Atlantean books, but it isn't my area…"

"I'll.. think about it." She looks around again. "Where exactly are you taking us?"

"I'm taking you to meet my new landlady. She lives in a nearby old people's home, just around-. Ah! There we are." Zatanna falls behind a little as I push open the doors and head on past the front desk towards the assisted living wing.

The receptionist looks up in shock, but gets himself together after a few moments. "Excuse me? Who are you?"

I stop dead and stare at him incredulously. "Seriously? I'm huge and grey, who am I going to pretend to be?"

"Ah, right. I mean, are you here to see someone?"

"Yes."

"I don't remember you visiting before. Are you family?"

"No, just nosy." I start towards the door again.

"W-! You can't just go barging in on people!"

I chuckle. "I would be fascinated to see how you intend to enforce that." I push the door open and stride through. Now, whereabouts-. Yes, there it is. The door bangs again as Zatanna runs through after me. She draws breath to speak, so I decide to pre-empt her. "Do you know what's very scary?"

She looks around for a moment. "Getting old? Dying?"

"Bit mundane. I was thinking about Alzheimer's Disease. Consider: in the early stages, you're compos mentis enough to know what's happening. You forget a thing, and you know you've forgotten something, but it's just not there. A thing that was in your head for so long… How to dress yourself. Where a room in your house is. As it progresses, everyday objects and people.. become strange and unfamiliar. People you've known for years… Your own children. You can't recognise them anymore. And then.. you get brief moments, where your memories and thoughts line up for once and you're briefly yourself again. And you know it's going to go, that in a few moments all the 'you' is just going to dribble out your ears… That must be absolutely terrifying."

"Yes, it's a horrible disease. But what does that have to do-?"

I shove open a door and glower at the frail old woman sitting in a comfy chair in the corner. "Hey June! We've never met! I'm big and scary! Rarr!"

The seventy four year old Doctor June Robbins quails at my appearance. Excellent! I've learned that one of the great things about a yellow power ring is that I can use it to heal people I don't give a monkey's about. No personal investment required. Just fear. And as a woman who these days is afraid of just about everything even slightly out of the ordinary because her failing brain just can't cope with it any longer, Dr Robbins is giving me exactly what I need.

I stick out my right hand, a yellow beam linking my ring to the cranium of the last surviving Challenger of the Unknown. And therefore, owner of the Challenger Mountain facility. There are a lot fewer secret mountain bases around than you'd think, and after living in Mount Justice anything else would feel like a downgrade. I monitor the ring's progress as it uses her fear of everything to repair her surviving neurons, add in new ones to the degraded areas of her brain and tinker a little with her DNA to make sure this can't happen again. Oh, and to give her a general health boost as well, the years during which she's been here haven't been kind to her formerly athletic frame. She won't get her whole mind back; I can't recreate memories that are just gone. But she will get her self back.

I continue walking across the room as her fear starts to drop off and her eyes focus as her alertness increases. Brain… Yes, that looks done to me. I shut off the beam and kneel down in front of her as behind me Zatanna lowers her hand slightly where she had a golden triquetra ready to blast me. And Orana lowers her sword slightly, which is nice of her. Doctor Robbins' eyes unfocus for a moment and she blinks, probably trying to get her reconstructed brain back into working order.

"Hello there. My name's Grayven. Back with us?"

"Yes. I… Am."

"Glad to hear it. Do you know where you are?"

She looks around. "A home for old people. How long..?"

"You've been here about eight years, too doolally to look after yourself at all for about five of them."

"Grayven!"

I look back at Zatanna. "You don't join the Challengers of the Unknown because you want life sugar-coated for you."

"And I doubt you fixed my brain out of the goodness of your heart."

I grin, my attention focused on her. "Sophoncy to suspicion in ten seconds. You should give classes!"

"I outlived my closest friends that way. I'm not sure it was a total positive, but it got to be a habit."

"I fixed your brain because I want to rent your mountain. Fix it up, use it as a base. And a home."

"Wouldn't it have been easier to finish me off and buy it from the estate?"

"Probably. But then I'd lose the pleasure of your company. And the chance to study the most interesting thing about you of all."

"My glamor model looks?"

"Your immunity to destiny."

She looks at me for a moment. "Okay, sure. But you have to run everything by me and I'm going to be living on site. I think I had to sell my home to afford a place here."

"You did. But it's no problem."

"And…" She looks down at her shapeless, easy-to-clean apparel. "Get me some clothes. I look like an old person."

"You are an old person."

"That's no excuse." She waves at her wardrobe. "Go on."

I raise my ring again. Still plenty of fear left over from her narrow escape. The yellow beam hits her in the chest, taking the clothing I prepared out of subspace. Pale grey cargo trousers, dark grey work boots, white vest and a vaguely Star Trek looking jacket in purple with grey trim and with the Challengers' hourglass insignia in place of the rank pips at the neck. "Any good?"

"Mm." She looks it over, then shuffles to the edge of her chair and cautiously pushes herself upright. "I think I can make it work."
 
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"I'm taking you to meet my new landlady. She lives in the St Paul's Health Centre, just around-. Ah! There we are." Zatanna falls behind a little as I push open the doors and head on past the front desk towards the assisted living wing.
So he can definitely say his name now.
Does that mean that he's changed enough that it's no longer his name or that he got close enough to the author to claim it for himself?
 
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