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You know when Paul eventually ganks Nabu you know what he's gonna say.

Doctor Fate: I WAS RIGTH ABOUT YOOOOOOOUUUUUU!
Well the funny thing is, he is an agent of chaos; he's even got the Business Card of Chaos from Eris. It's just that the idea that Chaos = Evil is so firmly ingrained in most people's minds that they'd never consider it - and Fate won't help with that since he equates Chaos with Evil too.
 
The problem with pure Electric Vehicles is they simply do not have the power (torque / horsepower) to replace many common on the road vehicles
For clean energy driving, you don't want an electric car (battery are made of very very polluting stuff), you want Fuel Cell. It generates water (so no pollution), and uses H2, which is very easily made from water and electricity. It's pretty much the cleanest way to power vehicles if you have a clean way to generate electricity (and even without, nuclear plants are more environment friendly than the sum of fossils-fuel engines used).
Without the petroleum lobbying, we probably would have switched to Fuel cell ages ago.
 
If he wants a true non-polluting engine he should ask Morrow.

That guy built Firebrand's heat core in 1942, mass producing it with modern day technology should be simple. And integrating it into an engine even simpler.
 
If he wants a true non-polluting engine he should ask Morrow.

That guy built Firebrand's heat core in 1942, mass producing it with modern day technology should be simple. And integrating it into an engine even simpler.
I don't see Paul being able to effectively pitch any technology acquired via irreversible enslavement, even if he wasn't the one who did the enslaving.
 
Fuel cells have two major problems: One, making a fuel cell with enough capacity to matter requires a lot of supporting hardware. Two, they explode when sufficiently provoked. (That's what you get when you put that much elemental hydrogen in one place!) Sure, they're super clean, but you don't want to have a wreck with one of them. Lithium batteries are a fire hazard if they get shorted, but they've got a lot better energy density overall when counting the entire system than fuel cells do, and they're more stable, are harder to cause catastrophic failure in, and don't do as much damage when they do fail.

It's easy to make an electric car have more torque. If you've driven one and it felt wimpy it's because it was designed to be wimpy to try to stretch more miles between charges. Try driving a Tesla; they're expensive but they've got performance unlike any other commercially-available passenger vehicle.

On Earth-16, the Bleed-based generators are small enough to be used for powering an electric car and completely eliminate the problem with batteries or fuel cells.
 
I don't see Paul being able to effectively pitch any technology acquired via irreversible enslavement, even if he wasn't the one who did the enslaving.
I QUITE disagree here. Considering his opinions on the Genomorphs and his behavior in the Un-Men arc, I think Paul would have the opposite opinion: Given that the terrible stuff has already happened, it would be wasteful and disrespectful to the suffering of the victims to not try to turn that awful experience into something worthwhile.
 
IIRC the Morrow elemental control devices need to be linked to a mind to work.

It's easy to make an electric car have more torque. If you've driven one and it felt wimpy it's because it was designed to be wimpy to try to stretch more miles between charges.
Correct; it's the power source that is weak, not the motors.

On Earth-16, the Bleed-based generators are small enough to be used for powering an electric car and completely eliminate the problem with batteries or fuel cells.
Earth can't build them yet, though, which is why OL is introducing them for something as centralized and high-impact as power generation.
 
Don't tell them?

Heck if push came to shove he could just credit the design to Danette and he wouldn't even technically be lying.
I agree. Even if the original source does come from a rather immoral man, spreading various human-made schizo tech devices was a big part of OL's speech with Ted Kord. An extremely compact power generator that produces enough power to do what Firebrand does, is utterly silent, and could potentially last decades without maintenance (in the case of Red Torpedo) is of astronomical value. Given that Morrow produced it alone decades ago, I hardly see it as being extremely difficult to create with modern technology.
 
I agree. Even if the original source does come from a rather immoral man, spreading various human-made schizo tech devices was a big part of OL's speech with Ted Kord. An extremely compact power generator that produces enough power to do what Firebrand does, is utterly silent, and could potentially last decades without maintenance (in the case of Red Torpedo) is of astronomical value. Given that Morrow produced it alone decades ago, I hardly see it as being extremely difficult to create with modern technology.
If it requires an AI or some substitute to control it though then just building it wouldn't accomplish much. I recall Mr Zoat mentioned long ago that controlling it without a mind specifically designed for the job was difficult.
 
Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the morrow tech required a soul to work properly.
 
If it requires an AI or some substitute to control it though then just building it wouldn't accomplish much. I recall Mr Zoat mentioned long ago that controlling it without a mind specifically designed for the job was difficult.
I could maybe see that for using it to do everything that Danette is capable of.

But if all you wanted to do was generate heat/fire you shouldn't need a really complex control system.
 
I could maybe see that for using it to do everything that Danette is capable of.

But if all you wanted to do was generate heat/fire you shouldn't need a really complex control system.
If your goal is to make a really expensive bomb, maybe. But making it not fry itself and only create flame exactly where you want it to could easily be much more complicated. For all we know its default state is "FIRE! FIRE EVERYWHERE!" and it takes a complex control system just to restrict the flame generation to a small spot.
 
I could maybe see that for using it to do everything that Danette is capable of.

But if all you wanted to do was generate heat/fire you shouldn't need a really complex control system.

It also might be that a soul or mind is required, not just for the control system, but for the actual mechanism at work.
 
If your goal is to make a really expensive bomb, maybe. But making it not fry itself and only create flame exactly where you want it to could easily be much more complicated. For all we know its default state is "FIRE! FIRE EVERYWHERE!" and it takes a complex control system just to restrict the flame generation to a small spot.

Well we know that's not the case, or someone would have noticed the graveyard that was constantly exploding way before Morrow exhumed her. Decades before.
 
If your goal is to make a really expensive bomb, maybe. But making it not fry itself and only create flame exactly where you want it to could easily be much more complicated. For all we know its default state is "FIRE! FIRE EVERYWHERE!" and it takes a complex control system just to restrict the flame generation to a small spot.

If that was it's default state how did Morrow and his lab survive the testing that would have discover it? :D


It was presumably turned off.

Well if it can just be turned off you could install a high frequency on/off system keeping the amount of heat actually generated to the minimum needed to generate electricity.
 
For clean energy driving, you don't want an electric car (battery are made of very very polluting stuff), you want Fuel Cell. It generates water (so no pollution), and uses H2, which is very easily made from water and electricity. It's pretty much the cleanest way to power vehicles if you have a clean way to generate electricity (and even without, nuclear plants are more environment friendly than the sum of fossils-fuel engines used).
Without the petroleum lobbying, we probably would have switched to Fuel cell ages ago.
No, it's not used in vehicles because pressurized hydrogen is really explosive, and we don't want cars taking off like uncontrolled rockets due to a fender-bender.
 
So am I the only one who's noticed that threads One, Four, Seven, and Ten have all not been locked? Just think; if you posted on Thread One then you'd be necroing an ongoing story, while still posting on a thread that hasn't seen a comment since October 20th 2013!
 
What do you mean by that ?
Large pressure tanks, mostly. Hydrogen has a lot of energy per unit MASS, but hydrogen is also DRAMATICALLY less dense than any other fuel, so its energy per unit VOLUME is actually kinda low. Which means if you want enough hydrogen to do something useful with it, you're going to need to keep it under pressure -- and the higher pressure you want to contain, the heavier the tanks themselves have to be. Power-to-weight ratio isn't looking pretty. This is the main real-world reason fuel cells haven't taken off.

And then you have the issue of how to GET the hydrogen pressurized and into the tank. It might be cheap to get the hydrogen in the first place, but it by definition requires energy to get any gas into any container at pressures higher than 1atm, and equipment to actually inject the hydrogen.

And if that tank ruptures... yes, you're right, pure hydrogen isn't explosive, but what happens to it once the tank lets all that hydrogen into the air? It mixes with oxygen! (And nitrogen and carbon dioxide et cetera, but that's not chemically so interesting.) All you need then is a spark at just the wrong time, and that fuel-air mixture will replicate ye olde Hindenburg.
 
And if that tank ruptures... yes, you're right, pure hydrogen isn't explosive, but what happens to it once the tank lets all that hydrogen into the air? It mixes with oxygen! (And nitrogen and carbon dioxide et cetera, but that's not chemically so interesting.) All you need then is a spark at just the wrong time, and that fuel-air mixture will replicate ye olde Hindenburg.
That actually isn't all that dangerous. Even with the Hindenburg most people on board survived.

Thing is? Hydrogen is light, the lightest of all elements. Which means that hydrogen fires tend to flow straight up, rapidly carrying away their heat. As well, being a gas it doesn't spread out into burning puddles like liquid fuels. It burns enthusiastically, but less dangerously than you would think.
 
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