- Location
- Australia
I figured that was just because he was the god of death and heavily associated with black light. Black enlightenment would be something like interpreting all emotion as forms of existential despair or something like that.
With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
- Thread starter Mr Zoat
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- Location
- Somewhere out there
On the contrary: Paul DOES see a value in obeying the law for the sake of obeying the law. Laws are, in general, necessary for a well-functioning society. However, he doesn't put ABSOLUTE value in obeying the law. If a law goes against his other values, then he will be opposed to that law. If a law actively interferes with his pursuit of a greater good, then he will break it.
And this isn't just me guessing about the character's motivation. This is all directly backed by the story, and if it wasn't for the fact that this story is almost 1700 posts long I could go find citations.
- Location
- texas
If Zoat is following the comics, then the black is the absence of emotions.
- Location
- Somewhere out there
Gray is the absence of emotions in this fic, as evidenced by "Nullity, nullity" in the Ophidian merger arc.
Black encompasses nihilism, futility, and loss.
Alienated (part 17)
- Location
- Hampden Park
9th October
12:36 GMT -5
"Euanthe?"
Zatanna raises her left eyebrow. "Did you think she was hiding?"
"No, but she might be non-corporeal or something." I hold out the small section of branch I cut from the Tree of Hopefully Knowledge. "Euanthe?! I've got some pre-lapsarian wood for you!"
"Where is she, anyway?"
"After the.. Demon incident in Guyana, she expressed enthusiasm about fighting more Demons. I suggested that she limit herself to creating more spirit forests over sites that had been used by Demons to break into the world. I.. assume that's what she's doing."
"Want me to try summoning her?"
"No." I tentatively reach towards a nearby elm with my right hand. "I think I can manage that."
Plant desires… They're too simple to be called desires, really. But while I haven't really had much practice since I used this technique to disable Kilowog, touching what they have with a light press of orange light…
The vines behind me burst as a bark-covered Euanthe leaps forth! "Who dares-!" She spots myself and Zatanna and staggers to a stop. "Pavlos? Was.. that.. you..?"
"Yes, I learned from a Green Lantern from-."
She comes right up to me and pats my left cheek with her right hand. "Pavlos, I am extremely fond of you. But never ever do that again."
"Sorry." I show her the piece of pomegranate wood. "Does this make up for it?"
She gives it her full attention, frowning. "That is… Is it wood?"
Zatanna smiles, her arms folded across her chest. "Are you sure you're a Dryad?"
"It looks like wood. But it does.. not…" She plucks it out of my hand and then turns away, holding it right up to her face so that she can study it more closely. "Feel..? Like wood? But it is wood? I do not understand."
"I took it from a place called The Garden of Eden. The god that made it really doesn't like Demons. If you're able to integrate it, integrate its magics-."
She looks around, beaming with joy. "I can kill Demons better! Thank you Pavlos!"
"You're welc-"
I blink, and her right arm has snaked around the back of my head, pulling me down onto her waiting lips.
"-mrrum?"
"Is she supposed to do that?"
My mouth -and.. now tongue apparently- otherwise engaged, I raise my right hand and wave my forefinger back and forth. "Ooath-."
Euanthe steps back, still grinning as a thorn-covered vine cuts into her left forearm. Sap drips freely from her plant-like flesh as the gash becomes wide enough for her-. She pushes the twig into herself with a gasp of pain.
"Euanthe, we've talked about this. Humans tend to be monogamous-."
"But I am not Human." She clenches her left hand into a fist and then relaxes it, her wound being covered by a bark-like scab. "Does a holly tree care whose pollen fertilises its flowers?"
"I… Don't know..?"
She shakes her head. "It doesn't."
Zatanna's trying not to laugh. "Humans are rather different to holly trees. Are you-" I point at her scab. "-alright?"
"Incorporating its magics will take some time. And I am mindful of your warnings; I will not seek out more Demons until I have finished doing so."
I nod. "Good show. Zatanna and I.. are about to head inside. Do you want to come?"
"Into the mountain with the Demon? When I have just told you that I will not seek out Demons until I am ready to destroy them with wooden armour proof against their foul kind?" She sits, then leans forward to lay the palms of her hands on the ground, sighing with satisfaction as the plants reach up to envelop them. "Pavlos, that doesn't make sense."
"You are completely right." I float into the air and start to move away from the top of Mount Justice. "I feel silly for even suggesting it."
And she's stopped paying any attention to me.
"So she wants you to.. fertilise her.. holly bush, huh?" Zatanna's following me, and apparently she's given up on not showing how amusing she finds it. "Could be prickly."
"I'm not fertilising anyone's holly bush." I frown. "And since when do you make.. that sort of joke?"
"Since I stopped going to a Catholic high school." She takes a breath, then stops smiling quite so much. "How's Jade taking the 'Hell' thing?"
"Not… Great…" I stop in the air and look down at Happy Harbour. "Fighting hordes of Demons isn't really part of her skill set. And.. she isn't really sure what she wants to do with her life other than 'not murder people for money'. Dropping her in the deep end by accident put her well outside of her comfort zone…"
"I guess without superpowers there are some things you just can't handle."
"Yeah, but I already said that I wouldn't give her superpowers until she'd been out of prison for a year. I'm trying to sell her on power armour. Need to ask.. Roy if he'd mind giving her some pointers." I extend my right hand and generate a zeta tube construct. "Ladies first."
"Recognised, Zatanna Zatara, A zero six, Orange Lantern, B zero six."
The lights dim and the internal security takes a look at us.
"When did you go back to being 'A'?"
"Identification confirmed."
"When you left Earth. After the League abandoned my dad I didn't feel like joining in any more."
The shield parts and we walk inside the hangar. Sephtian should be waiting in Ms Blaze's… I hesitate to think 'holding area', but since the League heard about her mini-Hell her freedom has been somewhat more restricted than when she first arrived.
"Orange Lantern to Sephtian. We're on our way up."
"I strongly suggest that you hurry. Ms Blaze is having some sort of fit."
My eyes widen, and I transition Zatanna and myself into the lift.
12:36 GMT -5
"Euanthe?"
Zatanna raises her left eyebrow. "Did you think she was hiding?"
"No, but she might be non-corporeal or something." I hold out the small section of branch I cut from the Tree of Hopefully Knowledge. "Euanthe?! I've got some pre-lapsarian wood for you!"
"Where is she, anyway?"
"After the.. Demon incident in Guyana, she expressed enthusiasm about fighting more Demons. I suggested that she limit herself to creating more spirit forests over sites that had been used by Demons to break into the world. I.. assume that's what she's doing."
"Want me to try summoning her?"
"No." I tentatively reach towards a nearby elm with my right hand. "I think I can manage that."
Plant desires… They're too simple to be called desires, really. But while I haven't really had much practice since I used this technique to disable Kilowog, touching what they have with a light press of orange light…
The vines behind me burst as a bark-covered Euanthe leaps forth! "Who dares-!" She spots myself and Zatanna and staggers to a stop. "Pavlos? Was.. that.. you..?"
"Yes, I learned from a Green Lantern from-."
She comes right up to me and pats my left cheek with her right hand. "Pavlos, I am extremely fond of you. But never ever do that again."
"Sorry." I show her the piece of pomegranate wood. "Does this make up for it?"
She gives it her full attention, frowning. "That is… Is it wood?"
Zatanna smiles, her arms folded across her chest. "Are you sure you're a Dryad?"
"It looks like wood. But it does.. not…" She plucks it out of my hand and then turns away, holding it right up to her face so that she can study it more closely. "Feel..? Like wood? But it is wood? I do not understand."
"I took it from a place called The Garden of Eden. The god that made it really doesn't like Demons. If you're able to integrate it, integrate its magics-."
She looks around, beaming with joy. "I can kill Demons better! Thank you Pavlos!"
"You're welc-"
I blink, and her right arm has snaked around the back of my head, pulling me down onto her waiting lips.
"-mrrum?"
"Is she supposed to do that?"
My mouth -and.. now tongue apparently- otherwise engaged, I raise my right hand and wave my forefinger back and forth. "Ooath-."
Euanthe steps back, still grinning as a thorn-covered vine cuts into her left forearm. Sap drips freely from her plant-like flesh as the gash becomes wide enough for her-. She pushes the twig into herself with a gasp of pain.
"Euanthe, we've talked about this. Humans tend to be monogamous-."
"But I am not Human." She clenches her left hand into a fist and then relaxes it, her wound being covered by a bark-like scab. "Does a holly tree care whose pollen fertilises its flowers?"
"I… Don't know..?"
She shakes her head. "It doesn't."
Zatanna's trying not to laugh. "Humans are rather different to holly trees. Are you-" I point at her scab. "-alright?"
"Incorporating its magics will take some time. And I am mindful of your warnings; I will not seek out more Demons until I have finished doing so."
I nod. "Good show. Zatanna and I.. are about to head inside. Do you want to come?"
"Into the mountain with the Demon? When I have just told you that I will not seek out Demons until I am ready to destroy them with wooden armour proof against their foul kind?" She sits, then leans forward to lay the palms of her hands on the ground, sighing with satisfaction as the plants reach up to envelop them. "Pavlos, that doesn't make sense."
"You are completely right." I float into the air and start to move away from the top of Mount Justice. "I feel silly for even suggesting it."
And she's stopped paying any attention to me.
"So she wants you to.. fertilise her.. holly bush, huh?" Zatanna's following me, and apparently she's given up on not showing how amusing she finds it. "Could be prickly."
"I'm not fertilising anyone's holly bush." I frown. "And since when do you make.. that sort of joke?"
"Since I stopped going to a Catholic high school." She takes a breath, then stops smiling quite so much. "How's Jade taking the 'Hell' thing?"
"Not… Great…" I stop in the air and look down at Happy Harbour. "Fighting hordes of Demons isn't really part of her skill set. And.. she isn't really sure what she wants to do with her life other than 'not murder people for money'. Dropping her in the deep end by accident put her well outside of her comfort zone…"
"I guess without superpowers there are some things you just can't handle."
"Yeah, but I already said that I wouldn't give her superpowers until she'd been out of prison for a year. I'm trying to sell her on power armour. Need to ask.. Roy if he'd mind giving her some pointers." I extend my right hand and generate a zeta tube construct. "Ladies first."
"Recognised, Zatanna Zatara, A zero six, Orange Lantern, B zero six."
The lights dim and the internal security takes a look at us.
"When did you go back to being 'A'?"
"Identification confirmed."
"When you left Earth. After the League abandoned my dad I didn't feel like joining in any more."
The shield parts and we walk inside the hangar. Sephtian should be waiting in Ms Blaze's… I hesitate to think 'holding area', but since the League heard about her mini-Hell her freedom has been somewhat more restricted than when she first arrived.
"Orange Lantern to Sephtian. We're on our way up."
"I strongly suggest that you hurry. Ms Blaze is having some sort of fit."
My eyes widen, and I transition Zatanna and myself into the lift.
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RichardWhereat
Feanor did nothing wrong.
- Location
- Australia
- Location
- Earth, 3rd rock from the Sun
That is a good thing. You do know gold doesn't actually back currency anymore, right? And is in fact useful in industrial/electronics applications. Why should anyone pass laws to keep an artificially inflated bubble from bursting?
Um, OL had the ring scan it. whatever else it may or may not be, it's definitely a plant, Jim.
It's pomegranate, so... Persephone?
Well, whatever it does, be sure to eat at least 12 seeds for the full effect. Eating six could leave someone to only have free will half the year or something, or Blaze eats six seeds and has to commute between Hell and the Garden of Eden every six months.
Blaming the Silver City for not operating a on demand "save me from the consequences of free will!" service is getting into blatant bullshit territory here, Max.
You and Maxx are acting like OL should be acting like some pants on head retarded villain. Staggering around, swinging his dick, acting like the law doesn't apply to him because he is personally powerful. When we have seen he does not act like that, because it would be really dumb, make it way, way harder to achieve his goals. OL would be very worried about a ban on magic, because he couldn't just ignore it. One of his goals is to make magic and practical applications of magic more widespread. He would act against it, but not openly violate it in a way that allows the US to treat him like a criminal, because again, that would be dumb.
It would open anyone associating with him up to persecution and prosecution. Or create a narrative where being seen as on OL's side was thought of as unpatriotic, and opposing him was matter of course policy. Look at Lex Luthor. It seems Superman and the Justice League oppose him and try to limit his access to cool shit and ability to benefit himself as much as they can, precisely because he is 'Lex freaking Luthor.' Alien tech isn't shared with him, instead being sent to Star Labs to die. Because even if he does some public good with it, that assume it will help him more, and they can't have that. Or they think there must be some nefarious angle, even if they can't see it, and have this impulse to oppose it because it is one of Luthor's projects.
Public outcry and ire from on high are one of the few things that indeed can hit OL where it hurts, his ability to affect widespread, actual change in the world and not be just another Righteous Face Puncher.
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TheLastOne
Person of impeccable tastes (for destruction)
Nah. Paul really isn't about the casual fling, and Euanthe might like Paul, but she has very different, very not human social instincts that are sort of incompatible with that.
RichardWhereat
Feanor did nothing wrong.
- Location
- Australia
Now, if it were Grayven, that's a different matter entirely.
Ganurath
Literal Enthusiast
- Location
- A Valid Location
- Pronouns
- He/Him
You're barking up the wrong tree if you haven't twigged on to Paul's efforts to get Jade to turn over a new leaf causing them to grow close enough that she's his first pick from the field of options available to him.
- Location
- Earth, 3rd rock from the Sun
This is a wood pun joke. Ha ha. But a real punster would have used quagmire instead of quandary for one more plant related reference.
So, thoughts:
1) Since it's pomegranate, it could be easily separated and parts of it fed to different people / used for making a new tree. Euanthe should be helpful in that. Tree of Knowledge of Green anyone? Or a lesser version of the Tree from the Garden itself.
2) Ok, Zatanna is an "A". Why is Paul "B"? He resigned from the Team.
3) Zatanna is going through a rebellious stage, it seems. Nice for her. I'm guessing she, Euanthe, Jade, maybe Thana, maybe Adom, and maybe Constantine will be Justice League Dark? Also possibly Cornwall Boy.
1) Since it's pomegranate, it could be easily separated and parts of it fed to different people / used for making a new tree. Euanthe should be helpful in that. Tree of Knowledge of Green anyone? Or a lesser version of the Tree from the Garden itself.
2) Ok, Zatanna is an "A". Why is Paul "B"? He resigned from the Team.
3) Zatanna is going through a rebellious stage, it seems. Nice for her. I'm guessing she, Euanthe, Jade, maybe Thana, maybe Adom, and maybe Constantine will be Justice League Dark? Also possibly Cornwall Boy.
Hestia&theCourt
Turns out we're plural too.
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- In transition
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- She/Her
I'm not saying he should, I'm saying that your arguments for why he should be obeying the laws make no sense.
This is a much better argument, though. I can't actually dispute this. That being said, the idea that Paul would somehow be blamed for an omnicidal rampage from Heaven is still ludicrous. Most people don't respond to being stolen from by randomly bombing cities anyway; if Heaven responded like that, they would very clearly be in the wrong.
I mean, assuming that Zoat uses New 52 canon (or even acknowledges its existence), Blaze seems like the really obvious choice here as a potential member.
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- Oblivion
I would like to think that's being caused by the angelic host basically sweeping the globe with their high beams to locate the fruit since it would at least show some ontological inertia in concerns to newly characters showing agency when Paul's not on screen.
But I am guessing instead it's just something Satanus did catching up with her.
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- Location
- Hampden Park
Same reason Roy was.
- Location
- New England
There's 2 zatannas now???? My whole shipping index is going to need to be reworked
Silverias
Seeing is Believing
- Location
- Squiddy Places
B is "Associate of the team" I believe.
- Location
- Somehwere
Americans don't say "different to". "Different than" would be more common here.
TaliesinSkye
J.D., Occasional Editor
- Location
- Northeast Ohio, United States
I would say 'different from', but maybe that's just me.
Ganurath
Literal Enthusiast
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- A Valid Location
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- He/Him
You did notice that that line had orange asterisks, right?
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- Wishing I was somewhere much colder, I asssume.
I'm not sure when this happened, but for a while now I've only been able to picture Euanthe as a moe anime girl. Anyway, two notable thoughts. I'm not sure if this was just a case of OL being oblivious but Zatanna didn't seem to react much to OL being kissed by Euanthe. Even though I'm pretty sure her feelings for him are stronger than they were before he left Earth.
Second, Blaze's fit is a bit too coincidental. Is it because he stole the fruit, or because he brought the fruit to the mountain?
Second, Blaze's fit is a bit too coincidental. Is it because he stole the fruit, or because he brought the fruit to the mountain?
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