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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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Maxx Crowley said:
To the chapter. Oh my...is that Red text I see dear Jade? That does give me hope that we'll be rid of you before too terribly long. Then again, story of my life, to constantly see good men with crappy women who don't appreciate the gem on a man they've lucked in to.
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Dude he loves Jade and she likes him enough to date him and this is just the first arguement which is natural when in times of high stress,( like for example being dragged to hell and nearly dying) and on occassion can be healthy. Why such a hate on for her when she hasnt really done anything to deserve it when all thats shes doing is acting like a normal human whose committed high tier sins and saw hell.
 
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Pfft, it really is. And it's worse than murder. People who are dead no longer have to worry about shit. But people who are living can never see more episodes of Firefly.
 
And? They chose to believe in a monotheist religion where Hell's a possibility, when there are proven gods who can grant their followers evidence and magic, and a decent afterlife.

It's not like we chose to cancel Firefly.
 
RichardWhereat said:
And? They chose to believe in a monotheist religion where Hell's a possibility, when there are proven gods who can grant their followers evidence and magic, and a decent afterlife.

It's not like we chose to cancel Firefly.
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True. While were on this conversation thread don't you think Maxx Crowley's being a bit too hard on Jade right now. Shes still only Human and most would agree seeing hell is traumatic.
 
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Rjrulew said:
Dude he loves Jade and she likes him enough to date him and this is just the first arguement which is natural when in times of high stress,( like for example being dragged to hell and nearly dying) and on occassion can be healthy.
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Well this is Paul's life, and it's not likely to change any time soon. If Jade wants normal, then she'll have to get far, far away from Paul.

Also yes it is the first argument. But it's also right after literally leaving Hell, so that's a bit more then the norm to be sure.

Rjrulew said:
Why such a hate on for her when she hasnt really done anything to deserve it when all thats shes doing is acting like a normal human whose committed high tier sins and saw hell.
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First and formost, I don't enjoy heterosexual romance, and I don't view women has romantic partners either. So she's got that going against her. Secondly, She's boring. She's so boring. She's so unbelievably boring.
 
Maxx Crowley said:
First and formost, I don't enjoy heterosexual romance, and I don't view women has romantic partners either. So she's got that going against her. Secondly, She's boring. She's so boring. She's so unbelievably boring.
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So no good reason other than personal preference on romance when she has been OK with raising the dead and helping kill Dr. Fate
Maxx Crowley said:
Well this is Paul's life, and it's not likely to change any time soon. If Jade wants normal, then she'll have to get far, far away from Paul.
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Based on the fact she was a ninja cultist I think its more of getting dragged to hell she has a problem with then the regular superhero lifestyle
 
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Rjrulew said:
So no good reason other than personal preference on romance when she has been OK with raising the dead and helping kill Dr. Fate

Based on the fact she was a ninja cultist I think its more of getting dragged to hell she has a problem with then the regular superhero lifestyle
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What other reasons do I need to personally desire to not see a character I personally don't care for not show up as much or get much attention? I really don't care about what Jade has done. I just enjoyed seeing that she got angry. Because it MIGHT lead to her GOING AWAY.
 
An actual in story reason they aren't good for each other when all indications are that they have compatability and chemistry but are just a bit rocky since they have unusual lifestyles and/or histories combined with still being a new couple
What youre doing is jumping on the slightest jolts and and going like, 'ooh shes boring because shes not cool with getting dragged to hell, they should break up'
 
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Maxx Crowley said:
Lies! Vicious, slandering LIES.

I've disliked Jade as a romantic partner since she first showed up! :)
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I know but to me thats honestly what your post sounded like
I respect your right to your opinion even if i do not share it, but maybe wait for more then three in story days worth of relationship before both creating and jumping on a breakup bandwagon
 
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I still cringe at the potential in-universe reactions if word that the spread of Christianity/the abrahamic faiths directly makes the forces of hell stronger/ dooms sinners to endless torture for oft disproportionate crimes- thus swelling hell's ranks at an exponential rate as the world population increases.. well, spreads.... with the counterpoint that most of the other belief systems don't....


*shakes his head* cmon Paul, not even ONE point-singularity projector shot? In the heartland of an oldie inherently opposed to everything you strive for (the betterment of society)? >.<

Not even an attempted parting shot? :(
 
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Gantradies said:
I still cringe at the potential in-universe reactions if word that the spread of Christianity/the abrahamic faiths directly makes the forces of hell stronger/ dooms sinners to endless torture for oft disproportionate crimes- thus swelling hell's ranks at an exponential rate as the world population increases.. well, spreads.... with the counterpoint that most of the other belief systems don't....
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I would absolutely love to see this. Can you imagine the look on that Mathis or however it's spelled face?
 
Maxx Crowley said:
I would absolutely love to see this. Can you imagine the look on that Mathis or however it's spelled face?
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He's why I shudder- unless I'm temembering wrong, he's one of the genuinely good ones who'd have a high chance of.... if not breaking, than giving up.
And given that a fair number of the people actively fighting on the front lines, as it were,have no idea the system is all but engineered to make them unwitting agents of whoever-is-running-he'll-thus-week in the long term regardless of their short-tern triumphs....
 
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Rjrulew said:
Plus the fact that other religions are known to work means I'ld expect mass conversions to other religions
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True, but that itself I'd see as a neutral outcome- the issue would be a massive blow to the moral of a large chunk of the populace with experience and training dealing with demonic creatures, and given how a lot of that stuff is faith-based, we could see an uptick of... incidents in the short to mid term...
 
Rjrulew said:
Plus the fact that other religions are known to work means I'ld expect mass conversions to other religions
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Actually, Christianity isn't that bad... I mean, it's not IDEAL, by any means, but the default setting for the dead - who get to exist, that is - is to go into a cold dark place where they slowly decay in apathy. This same idea is apparent all over Europe and East Asia, at the very least. Not sure about the Americas, Africa or Australia, though.

My understanding was, that until they invented hell, the choices were eternal life, or non-existence, which is basically fair.

Also, it seems elves were also originally dead people.

Japan has a similar pattern, except that they started binding their well-liked dead into shrines as household gods, and such. Then later on Buddhism came along with the reincarnation option --- although with the ultimate goal of exiting the world. I'm not sure if that's more nihilism, or what Lucifer did, on the face of it, of course there's this underlying assumption in Buddhism, that's a little bit authorial, and a little bit Lovecraft.

Of course, this is under the assumption that the various religions are correct, which they do seem to be in DC. More or less.

I've recently gotten the feeling that Paul is stuck in the level of Self-fulfillment, and may be either incapable, or it may be very difficult for him, to reach the level of Self-transformation.
Even so, he's still kind of pushing away from a certain level of relatability, which may at some point make the story hard to follow.
 
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Prince Charon said:
Now imagine a straight person saying something like that about gay couples.
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Actually hear it every single day. No hyperbole.

But yes, I was mostly playing around. Though, full disclosure, I do prefer that my side get all the good men. It really does bug me when I see a good friend stuck with a horrid woman. (Not that Jade is horrid....yet)

However I do find Jade the most boring of the available women. Melinope or Hera are much more interesting.
 
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Okay, nuking hell wasn't on the table, but I'm still kinda disappointed in him. He was told to cleanse the place, but he didn't even use fire. Yes, I know hell is usually on fire, but it could have been more on fire. Napalm, or white phosphorus, or something more exotic. I mean really, there's got to be way to burn down hell.
 
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