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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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Geminii said:
As for his mouth not moving correctly... "Ring, take over sound generation when I speak and move my face/mouth appropriately to best-match the resulting language."
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This is its default behavior, which he is trying to avoid using. He WANTS his mouth to move incorrectly.

Ragnar said:
. Don't we even have real time translators that work pretty well today?
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Mr Zoat said:
Do we? Link?
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We don't have real-time-real-time in the sense of saying what you want to say AS you're saying it, but speech-to-text -> Google Translate -> text-to-speech has latency on the order of couple of seconds and comes out sounding a lot better than what the SI's dodgy translator is producing. It's very much like what happened when they were communicating with the Einherjar. If you have an Android phone and you want to try it, I think you can say something like "Ok Google, how do you say your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries in Spanish?" (if not, you can use the Voice Typing functionality inside the Translate app, which has a sound playback function) -- Siri might have similar functionality.

We also have relatively-low-latency optical translation; there's an app you can get on your phone called Word Lens that lets you point your camera at a foreign-language sign and see the sign redrawn on the screen with the text translated. It's not nearly as precise because visual text recognition in a noisy environment (e.g. light glare, dirty/faded sign, weird fonts) is harder than speech recognition, but it's still an impressive demonstration using Earth Prime tech. The interstellar community in Universe 16 surely has better to offer than THAT.
 
Coda said:
We don't have real-time-real-time in the sense of saying what you want to say AS you're saying it, but speech-to-text -> Google Translate -> text-to-speech has latency on the order of couple of seconds and comes out sounding a lot better than what the SI's dodgy translator is producing. It's very much like what happened when they were communicating with the Einherjar. If you have an Android phone and you want to try it, I think you can say something like "Ok Google, how do you say your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries in Spanish?" (if not, you can use the Voice Typing functionality inside the Translate app, which has a sound playback function) -- Siri might have similar functionality.

We also have relatively-low-latency optical translation; there's an app you can get on your phone called Word Lens that lets you point your camera at a foreign-language sign and see the sign redrawn on the screen with the text translated. It's not nearly as precise because visual text recognition in a noisy environment (e.g. light glare, dirty/faded sign, weird fonts) is harder than speech recognition, but it's still an impressive demonstration using Earth Prime tech. The interstellar community in Universe 16 surely has better to offer than THAT.
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There are no doubt similar things that are being worked on, or are already out that I don't know about.
It's really not that complicated. Given the size of the galaxy and the amount of species around that idea that someone hasn't got this down, when we have it today is ridiculous.

It's pretty much Sound to text, text to text, text to sound.

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Mr Zoat said:
A surprising number of Anti-Nationalists would agree with you.
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are we going to ever get a detail idea of what he was like as a ruler? all we really know is that things kind of fell apart without him. I mean the guardians removed him, but that may have more with them not wanting lanterns to hold political offices that might threaten the lanterns ability to stay neutral in most conflicts rather than him doing a Stalin impression.
 
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are we going to ever get a detail idea of what he was like as a ruler? all we really know is that things kind of fell apart without him. I mean the guardians removed him, but that may have more with them not wanting lanterns to hold political offices that might threaten the lanterns ability to stay neutral in most conflicts rather than him doing a Stalin impression.
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Bits of it will probably come up. The problem is that there isn't anything remotely like an unbiased account.
 
Ragnar said:
Wow...

You would have thought that... y'know, a computer with a some decent processing power and the rings language database would clear this right up. Don't we even have real time translators that work pretty well today?

This... is some straight up retarded shit. 2017 humans have got it down almost pat, so the advanced alien races MUST suck their drooping bollocks.
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The issue is that he could only find a shitty translator that knew English for sale on short notice. If he had been translating between languages of actually space-faring species, or taken longer to search for something adaptive like Lobo used, it wouldn't be an issue. But English is a comparatively unknown and unspeakably broken (possibly literally) language, so the translator he found has trouble with it.

Makes perfect sense to me.
 
stsword said:
And the other lantern who conquered his planet and got away with it to until someone stole his ring and then unleashed Greenest Night on him. Reanimated everyone killed by his regime to give a personal zombie Apocalypse. He's even buried with the rest of fallen Lanterns!



Green lantern, he didn't rule the planet with love, empathy, or hope, after all.
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But green was thought for millennia to be the only kind of lantern so just calling him lantern kind of makes sense
 
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Headhunting (part 2)
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    • 14th August
    19:33 GMT

    Doctor Natu regards me with a look of discomfort. "I don't think that translated properly. You.. hunt heads?"

    And naturally enough the translator struggles with metaphor. How to explain this while talking like a moron? "Not trophy. Head content. Ah, you labour?"

    "I'm a surgeon."

    I nod. "Your head, medicine. Want Korugar surgeon? Pay me, I find you."

    She nods, exhaling slightly in relief. "You're an employment agent."

    "I hunt rare head. Very special content."

    "Oh, I didn't mean to insult-" We both lean back slightly as the waitress puts my drink down in front of me. "-your.. skills."

    I wave my right hand. "No easy offend." I glance at the waitress, smiling broadly. "Thank you."

    She smiles back faintly, then strides off towards another table.

    "Are you hunting anyone here?"

    "Big commission. Hunt many." I pause, as if giving the matter consideration. "Got important heads. Maybe more?"

    "So you've got most of the people you're looking for?" I nod. "I don't recognise your species. Are you from.. anywhere near here?"

    "Not close." I hold my hands up to my chest, making a circle with my thumbs and forefingers. Then I take my right hand away and point my right index finger at where the middle of the circle was. "Galaxy core." I move my finger again. "Korugar." I lower my finger slightly. "Earth."

    Sector 1417 is north north east and 'up' from Earth. Closer than Maltus, further than the Vega Systems. Funny thing about distances in the galaxy when you can move as fast point-to-point as I can: approximate locations don't really matter. Exact locations matter as I do want to be able to find places, but rough locations are irrelevant as whatever the answer is it wouldn't prevent me getting there.

    Doctor Natu's eyes unfocus slightly as she tries to put numbers to my mummery. "That's quite a way. Do you travel a lot?"

    "Yes." I grin, nodding emphatically as I pick up my mug and raise it to my mouth. Ah, no, too hot. For a moment I'm reminded of the story of a coach load of English people on holiday in Texas, their introduction to ice tea and the resulting hundred person simultaneous spit-take. Heh, I'm only the second member of my species to ever come to this planet, and the last one overthrew their government. I should really be on my best behaviour. "This hunt, and before. You?"

    "It's…" She looks away, shaking her head slightly. "Korugar's a lot more.. isolated, since we overthrew Sinestro. The other planets around here remember him as a hero. They didn't have to live under him. Oh." She wiggles her head slightly. "Sinestro... He was the.. Green Lantern who used to work in this region of space."

    "Known."

    "Right, you… Probably researched the whole thing before coming here." She looks out of the window for a moment. "Just about the only thing we agree on is that we hate him. And because he became so powerful because of a group of aliens and aliens still like him… People from Korugar don't travel all that much." She looks back at me, smiling slightly wistfully as she picks up her mug. "Not that I'd be able to afford to for years anyway. I'm going to be paying off my education until I'm forty."

    I nod, sympathetically. "Ship surgeon?"

    She shakes her head. "General practitioners and exobiological specialists work on ships. The only places that want surgical specialists are large mining outposts where they know they'll have work for us. And anyway, I'd have to pay back the government bursary I got for agreeing to work in a state hospital when I graduated. I'd be working in the mines until I was fifty, and there's only so much rock I think I could take."

    "Ah." I nod. "Sympathy."

    "So? Who are you working for? There can't be that many corporations who can afford to send someone all over the galaxy looking for employees?"

    "Very old species. Few. Powerful. Not…" I make a vague circling motion with my hands to indicate our general environment.

    "Not from around here?" I nod. "What sort of person were you looking for?"

    "First; boss organiser."

    Boss organiser? Really? That's the problem with ranks as opposed to jobs. They can be so culturally specific that they usually don't translate as anything sensible. Sergeant and Captain don't really have precise equivalents in languages whose people don't have the same peasant/aristocrat divide in their militaries that Earth does. At best I'd get 'squad leader' and 'military middle manager'. And director? What, they direct cars? Stage productions? I remember that in 'The Damned' series by Alan Foster the forces of the Purpose called their officers 'unifiers'. Literally, the people whose job it is to keep everyone working together.

    "Boss or-? Oh." She makes an amused exhalation. "I think you need a better translator."

    "Agree."

    "So these… Ancient aliens are starting some sort of organisation and they want someone to run it." I nod. "And then, the rest of the management team?" I nod again, and she raises her left eyebrow. "And they decided that the best way to find the people they wanted was to hire you."

    "Good previous employer report."

    Which is a lie, obviously. I doubt very much that the League would give me a favourable write up.

    "Must be very good." She takes a sip from her mug. "So what sort of person were you looking for?"

    "Intelligent. Very intelligent. Motivated. Sagacious. Available."

    "Did you have a list to work from..?"

    "No. Already head, recruit. Lost individual."

    "You knew who you wanted but didn't know where they were." I nod. "So where did you start?"

    "Vega Systems." That's a nice and easy translation. Though that isn't what other species call it, it's a label for a place. The system can easily substitute the equivalent.

    Doctor Natu frowns slightly. "Isn't Vega full of pirates and warlords?"

    "Now?" I shake my head. "No. Close, mercenary. Match species hunt target."

    "That doesn't mean they'd know them."

    "Famous father." I smile inwardly at the obvious parallel. "All species know."

    "Would I know them?"

    I shrug. "Perhaps."

    "Well, who are they? A musician? A merchant?"

    "Vril Dox, the Maniac of Yod. Dictator of Colu."

    "I.. think I've heard of him. He's also called.. Brainiac?" I nod. "And you wanted his son?"

    "Yes."

    "Did.. you get him?"

    I pick up my mug to take a sip. "Interesting story."
     
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    "Boss or-? Oh." She makes an amused exhalation. "I think you need a better translator."

    "Agree."

    "So these… Ancient aliens are starting some sort of organisation and they want someone to run it." I nod. "And then, the rest of the management team?" I nod again, and she raises her left eyebrow. "And they decided that the best way to find the people they wanted was to hire you."
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    This lady truly has no appreciation for caveman speech.
     
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