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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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Mr Zoat said:
"I know full well that people don't last long in Hell with their minds intact. I also know the death toll from when Lucifer ran off."
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I still think it's a cool concept to have a damned soul or someone who knows he going to be sent to Hell to beg OL to assimilate him into an orange lantern construct.

Just think of Azrael from the movie "Dogma" who was willing to erase his own existence to escape eternal torment in Hell.

And assimilation could be used as an option of last resort to free someone who have been unfairly condemned to Hell [Astra (Hellblazer), Nada (Sandman), etc.] or has been cursed with immortality (Dream's son Orpheus).

Link: Orpheus

Question: Hypothetically, if OL assimilated Orpheus, would it give Ophi-chan the ability to dream? I assume that emotion elementals and anthropomorphic personifications are so different from mortal humans that they cannot dream, or at least not dream as we do.
 
Also, it's already been established in-story when Constantine was talking about where Demons come from:

Mr Zoat said:
"Ah, that explains it. Sounds like Mawzir wasn't actually…" John tries to work out how to explain complex arcane concepts to people who know nothing about the topic. "See, Demons, most of them these days… Even some of the really powerful ones, they started out as mortals. Souls damned and sent to hell. Being the worst of the worst isn't enough -though they usually are- but people so full of hate and the need to hurt that they make Hell a part of themselves. Most people, you send them to Hell and there's basically nothing left after a century or two. Some…" His lip curls. "Blossom.
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People's minds can be made to break from mundane torture. Hell is a lot better than mundane.

I actually had a far future Grayven segment in mind where he encounters the soul of Adolf Hitler. He repented after a few years of experiencing all of his victims suffering all at once, but the Demons kept going because repentance wasn't the point of the exercise. By the time he meets Grayven he can't even remember his name, let alone what he's actually there for.

drvash said:
Question: Hypothetically, if OL assimilated Orpheus, would it give Ophi-chan the ability to dream? I assume that emotion elementals and anthropomorphic personifications are so different from mortal humans that they cannot dream, or at least not dream as we do.
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Um...

Hadn't really thought about it. I don't think that the Ophidian sleeps. She can.. probably access the Dreaming manually if she wants to.
 
mastigos said:
luckily the demon is now facing the worst enemy of a speedster: ballistics. By which I mean it's high up in the sky and only falling at normal speed until it hits the ground
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If he can Speed Steal he can probably accelerate downward in mid-air. Speedsters' feet having to touch the ground never really made much sense at those speeds anyway. If they can go a reasonable fraction of the speed of light tripping should send them into space. Unless they're naturally accelerating themselves downward at all times while running.

But if that is how this works, Clariss should be able to fly. If he's figured out the underlying mechanics of giving and taking away speed. A flying demonic Speedster with Speed Steal. Goddamn. For SI Paul's sake let's all hope I'm wrong.
 
Anyone know what the cathedral in Gotham is supposed to be called? Everything I've seen just calls it the Gotham Cathedral.
 
Mr Zoat said:
I actually had a far future Grayven segment in mind where he encounters the soul of Adolf Hitler. He repented after a few years of experiencing all of his victims suffering all at once, but the Demons kept going because repentance wasn't the point of the exercise. By the time he meets Grayven he can't even remember his name, let alone what he's actually there for.
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well that's kinda horrifying. Ol really should put "wipe out hell" on his to-do list.
 
that would be hilarious. Ol gets trapped in hell, and by the time the team puts together a rescue mission, he's been down there for years and has more or less taken over. wit the last few bands of demons acting as resistance fighters desperately trying to escape assimilation.
 
Mr Zoat said:
People's minds can be made to break from mundane torture.
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But that's a body that runs on biology.

Why would something that exists as a metaphysical energy state be able to do the same?'

The only way I would think a Soul could forget something would be if the bit of energy that makes up that memory was stolen from it or destroyed.
 
Vaermina said:
But that's a body that runs on biology.

Why would something that exists as a metaphysical energy state be able to do the same?'

The only way I would think a Soul could forget something would be if the bit of energy that makes up that memory was stolen from it or destroyed.
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Or...if it was overwritten horrific torture. A mind is a mind, and when your existence is agony, you lose coherency.
 
Vaermina said:
But that's a body that runs on biology.

Why would something that exists as a metaphysical energy state be able to do the same?'
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If the structure of someone's mind changed enough that they became immune to their mind being broken by decades and centuries of constant torture, then they would not be recognizably human and so life after death would be a myth.
 
Empiricist2 said:
I feel like people aren't talking about this much. OL finally gets a Construct-Lantern that is both intelligent enough to be useful and that he doesn't have moral qualms about using. He can finally have a useful scout. He can send the Hellshade out to be a pseudo-Lantern when he can't be everywhere at once. It will completely suck at stealth because it glows bright orange, but other than that this is the biggest increase in power OL has got since he got Stewart's ring.
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This is cynical of me, but the reason I'm not talking about it is because I fully expect Oranghost to be quietly ignored.
 
Silverias said:
Eh, I feel that OL wouldn't have assimilated it if Zoat didn't have plans.

I'm sure there are plans for Morrow too, they're just slow-burning.
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One of the major weaknesses of the lantern is arcane matters, such as the SI's inability to create construct Soul Eaters. With the assimilation of a variety of arcane entities, including T.O. Morrow, it seems the SI is building an internal database of the arcane. With enough assimilated structures, the ring could analyze the arcane fluctuations between the entities and allow his ring to directly generate magic effects. Similar to when the ring could allow telepathy on par with M'gaan with sufficient data on Martian neurology, the ring may open new arcane functions with enough data on magical beings.

This seems reasonable, except Earth arcane energies are somewhat unique. It didn't have any wider applicability in my playthrough.
 
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