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I'm a little unclear as to what you're asking. Power rings can detect and monitor wifi signals easily. Earth computers can do that.
I don't mean just detecting a wifi signal. I mean analyzing network usage (whether by physical cable or wifi) to figure out which computers are exchanging data packets. It also matters if the ring can figure out the physical network cables and how those work - so say OL scans an apartment building in San Francisco. Can he figure out which apartments have internet lines in? And who is "borrowing" wifi from other residents?

If he can do all that his ring should notice when a computer is sending to a warded server because the traffic just disappears (going to the server) or appears out of nowhere (coming from the server.) He might not have the technical skill to notice something like that but OL does have access to a skilled hacker (Robin) who could probably come up with the same line of thought in seconds. And, again, it is a fairly simple scan the ring could do.
Wards don't have to be on physical objects. Get it set up right and 'all communication in this area' is a perfectly viable set up. It's a bit more energy intensive but it's perfectly doable.
But is that something that requires more than a half-trained practitioner to set up? I was proposing something that I thought would be a minimal use of rare skills - specifically magic.
No, because the SI doesn't know it.
Again, how does the League, the U.S. government, and anyone who is paying attention to such things miss that Lex Luthor is selling warded computers? The other bits of proliferation might go unnoticed for a while but that should get noticed almost immediately. Heck, the U.S. government is probably one of the largest customers for a few months. Think about everything that they'd want to ward - the White House servers, the Pentagon, the IRS, .. the list goes on and on.
 
I still at least want a mention of that scry ward piercing magic item that OL asked Sephtian about that one time. Apparently it was easy to make something that'd let anyone with a soul bypass basic scrying wards, but OL didn't have a soul at the time so he couldn't. Now he does (more or less), and like everything else useful that he couldn't do when he was soulless, he hasn't bothered checking to see if it's possible now. At least not on screen, and frankly that's what matters because it appears to be a plot hole otherwise. Just a few lines this update would've done it: "I had hoped Sephtian could make something to pierce those scry wards for me now that I have a full soul, but apparently my soul is weird and the normal version doesn't work. He's working on adapting a normal ward-piercer for me when he can spare the time."

This isn't like the Danner/Garrick formula thing, where he could've just forgotten somehow because it doesn't often come up (though failing so badly in a fight against speedsters really should've made him consider checking to see if he could get superspeed of his own), and he isn't interested in modifying his body now anyway or something. OL, by his own admittance, is running into this ward problem literally every time he tries to scan anything important; he should've checked in to see if something could be done now. If Sephtian is too busy still, he should've asked someone else. He's not exactly the only magic guy in all of Atlantis.
 
Again, how does the League, the U.S. government, and anyone who is paying attention to such things miss that Lex Luthor is selling warded computers? The other bits of proliferation might go unnoticed for a while but that should get noticed almost immediately. Heck, the U.S. government is probably one of the largest customers for a few months. Think about everything that they'd want to ward - the White House servers, the Pentagon, the IRS, .. the list goes on and on.
I see no reason for Batman to inform OL of this. Especially since OL has probably missed it due to focusing on Nabu and Adom.

We aren't seeing this in-story. In fact, we haven't had any indication that pulling out these high-tier combatants or advanced and effectively untestable avarice ring countermeasures is anything but a walk in the park for the Light. Which is a problem.
OL doesn't know about them, so he hasn't tried testing it. He's assumed that they're impenetrable and has thus focused on other tasks and methods.
 
I really want to know what sort of dumbass meeting the Light had where they went "We need a new member... I know lets go with one of the rulers of Hell!"

I had this funny thought of Grayven repeatedly getting rid of Light members only for it to turn out they recruit someone worse each time.

Grayven, meet our newest member-Yggardis!

Grayven, meet our newest member- Trigon!

Grayven, meet our newest member- Necron!

Cut to Grayven pounding his head against the wall thinking to himself 'They're doing this on purpose! They have to be!"
 
I have to admit my interest in this fic is pretty rapidly waning. There's stuff being introduced from offscreen all the time (invisible drone much), the battle scenes are chaotic and hard for me to follow, the pacing in the grand scheme stuff is bog slow, and I've weirdly somehow become more interested in Renegade (and I love to make fun of Renegade even) because his stuff is cut down to the point where I'm better at following it. Plus, I like the Renegade episodes more than most of the standard ones anymore (Stars Crossed had the last battle scene I really remember enjoying.)

Also, the Quintessence Waveform Scan being able to find Lex's computers, give a location, but not carry back the one bit of info of "Is he in the Light?" because it would require sifting through encrypted disk drives. The almighty power of hypertech and godlike energy beings being defeated by Truecrypt is utterly hilarious as a CS (specializing in security) Doctoral student, given how much stuff gets exploited every week. (EDIT: Honestly, OL's scan problems are beginning to remind me of the Future Vision in Telltale's Sam and Max Season 3.)

There's still the stuff that brought me to the fic, but it's stretched around the stuff I'm not interested in.
 
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I still at least want a mention of that scry ward piercing magic item that OL asked Sephtian about that one time. Apparently it was easy to make something that'd let anyone with a soul bypass basic scrying wards, but OL didn't have a soul at the time so he couldn't. Now he does (more or less), and like everything else useful that he couldn't do when he was soulless, he hasn't bothered checking to see if it's possible now.
You're misremembering. It was anyone who is a magic user, not anyone who has a soul.
"Oh, it would easily work for that long. But if people are evading your detection for a sustained period of time, I would assume that they have access to something better."

"Any chance you could come up with a way to counter it?"

"For a magic user? Certainly. Easily. For you? Mmmmmno."


More magic that needs to be developed, and distributed.
It already exists, and I'm sure Atlantis is just fine with spreading it because it doesn't compromise their national security.
Again, how does the League, the U.S. government, and anyone who is paying attention to such things miss that Lex Luthor is selling warded computers? The other bits of proliferation might go unnoticed for a while but that should get noticed almost immediately. Heck, the U.S. government is probably one of the largest customers for a few months. Think about everything that they'd want to ward - the White House servers, the Pentagon, the IRS, .. the list goes on and on.
We have no evidence that the government doesn't know. But they would have no specific reason to inform the League. In the League, scry wards affect a grand total of four of them, and one of those four is a Lord of Order and can probably bypass all but the best scry wards, which Lex and crew probably aren't able to make cheaply. The other three aren't on Earth all that much, and don't have any doubts about Lex being evil. They can't do anything about it legally, and we hardly see every conversation between Guy and OL.
If he can do all that his ring should notice when a computer is sending to a warded server because the traffic just disappears (going to the server) or appears out of nowhere (coming from the server.)
Why would a server secure enough to hide it's very existence from a dedicated Lantern exchange data over the internet?
Also, the Quintessence Waveform Scan being able to find Lex's computers, give a location, but not carry back the one bit of info of "Is he in the Light?" because it would require sifting through encrypted disk drives. The almighty power of hypertech and godlike energy beings being defeated by Truecrypt is utterly hilarious as a CS (specializing in security) Doctoral student, given how much stuff gets exploited every week.
He doesn't have any doubts about Lex being in the Light. He wanted the information on the servers, but couldn't keep that information from the quintessence scan, and couldn't get it normally without revealing that he had done so.
"Getting Luthor's data on the Light would be a major boon to our efforts against them."
 
He doesn't have any doubts about Lex being in the Light. He wanted the information on the servers, but couldn't keep that information from the quintessence scan, and couldn't get it normally without revealing that he had done so.
Sorry, I misremebered that. I meant if he was involved with the Klarion Two Worlds thing. Still one bit of info.

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All these prophecies are pretty spoopy.
I have already tried and failed to come up with a uBlock rule to hide them.
 
May be my technical ignorance here, but aren't they still called servers if they're just being used to run local area networks?
A server is any computer that provides any kind of service to another. So yes, you are correct.

For example, a desktop computer that is part of a network where you install all the printers to that one computer and tell that computer to share those printers with the rest of the network is a Print Server. There isn't anything inherently different from a server or a desktop computer save for their role. Certainly, many computers are built with hardware and software to optimize them for that role, but there's nothing stopping you from grabbing a computer built to be a server and using it as a desktop pc (or vice versa).
 
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Personally I assume that Lexcorp got one of the more legitimate mages to publicly scry ward their building, posted a "how to scry ward" booklet online to make sure anyone who could do it knew how, and so you've got a bunch of hedge mages of varying reputes making a quick buck by setting them up. The split did a great job of getting people paranoid about how defenseless they are against magic, so if one company shows a way to be a bit safer you can bet a lot of people will follow suit.
Edit: And I get dragged away for Halloween stuff and get ninja'd hard by the author.
 
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If he can do all that his ring should notice when a computer is sending to a warded server because the traffic just disappears (going to the server) or appears out of nowhere (coming from the server.) He might not have the technical skill to notice something like that but OL does have access to a skilled hacker (Robin) who could probably come up with the same line of thought in seconds. And, again, it is a fairly simple scan the ring could do.
As I said before: The ring KNOWS it's blocked. It DOESN'T know how to circumvent that block -- or at least, if it does, OL doesn't know how to direct it to do so.
 
Like Coda said, anything designed to be secure almost certainly wouldnt use Wifi, and in a world with superheroes they would probably take even further steps.
This only works until someone does something stupid. Like how the iranian nuclear refinery was infected via usb drives dropped near it that someone picked up and connected to his work laptop which he took home with him.
Or how you constantly have big corps like yahoo and sony have a high ranking person lose a laptop with all the customer's data on it in plain text or with credentials to get them.

as I said, I totally buy that the light's organization is that good that they do not have such slips. I do not buy that every single villain that found a ward scheme online which they drew on with a sharpie has the same level of operational security
 
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as I said, I totally buy that the light's organization is that good that they do not have such slips. I do not buy that every single villain that found a ward scheme online which they drew on with a sharpie has the same level of operational security
Where do you get the idea that they do -- or even that they need to? Even a ward applied to a system that DOESN'T have proper defense in depth is enough to block casual attacks. Yes, there's probably ways to get around it. Most of those probably involve targeted attacks against people who have access to the system, and those aren't the kinds of things that you can mount with a few seconds' effort with a power ring.
 
Oh I've mentioned before that there was a green lantern who tricked Hal Jordan into recharging his ring without a lantern, I finally re-found info on him-
Priest.

And he's connected to the reason I think it's a shame that Paul stole Stewart's ring and not Jordan's- Lord Molvolio of the Green Flame.

For those who haven't heard of him, well, take the Batman character Maxie Zeus, then give him a green lantern ring. Then let the lunatic squeeze out the power of a god from his ring. One of the man's constructs was a planet and its entire population while at the same time had another construct which was an inhabited space station made out of gold, at a time in which rings weren't supposed to be able to affect anything yellow, much less make things that were yellow.

He destroyed Jordan's ring (with a yellow energy blast), faked his death, and let Jordan steal his ring as part of his master plan, and then was never heard from again, and like Priest it looked like he didn't need such things as power rings or lanterns to manifest the Glow.

I just think that Molvolio's meltdown when his master plan was derailed by Paul stealing his ring and changing what color it was would have been a sight to see.
 
Oh I've mentioned before that there was a green lantern who tricked Hal Jordan into recharging his ring without a lantern, I finally re-found info on him-
Priest.

And he's connected to the reason I think it's a shame that Paul stole Stewart's ring and not Jordan's- Lord Molvolio of the Green Flame.

For those who haven't heard of him, well, take the Batman character Maxie Zeus, then give him a green lantern ring. Then let the lunatic squeeze out the power of a god from his ring. One of the man's constructs was a planet and its entire population while at the same time had another construct which was an inhabited space station made out of gold, at a time in which rings weren't supposed to be able to affect anything yellow, much less make things that were yellow.

He destroyed Jordan's ring (with a yellow energy blast), faked his death, and let Jordan steal his ring as part of his master plan, and then was never heard from again, and like Priest it looked like he didn't need such things as power rings or lanterns to manifest the Glow.

I just think that Molvolio's meltdown when his master plan was derailed by Paul stealing his ring and changing what color it was would have been a sight to see.
You know what that sounds like? That sounds like a great thing to ignore because it positively drips of the Dark Age of Comics.
 
You know what that sounds like? That sounds like a great thing to ignore because it positively drips of the Dark Age of Comics.

Hmm, have you somehow forgotten all the Vertigo elements in this story, an imprint that was birthed by the dark age of comics, and includes such things as angels getting chainsawed and demonic rapist doppelgangers, things that were mentioned in this story?

So demonic rapist doppelgangers, lunatic with a power ring (and by the way cough <Larfleeze> cough), yeah, I'm finding it very odd where you draw the line here.
 
Zigzag (part 12)
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08:27 GMT +4


"If we know he's here, why can't we just go in?" Wallace is leaning over Richard's shoulder, having used his friend's arm computer to watch the recording of The Demon Constantine's arrival. "There's no way the Azerbaijan government's going to protect someone doing business with a Demon."

Richard nods. "Especially not one who was involved in what happened in Fawcett."

"Well, yes, and if I'd recorded General Kerimov meeting him at the front door with a handshake I'd agree with you. But as it stands all him being here proves is that he's here. If anything, the fact that he went in while invisible and.. the fact that he knows that someone saw him but the guards haven't altered their patrols or just cancelled the party… That suggests that he's not meant to be there."

Kaldur looks slightly pensive. "In that case, do you believe that it would be prudent to warn the General?"

Wallace's eyes narrow slightly. "What, after he had two members of Blue Trinity killed and kidnapped the third? I think we can let him take his chances."

Kaldur remains impassive. "We do not have concrete evidence linking either him or one of his employees to that attack. Until we do, we are obliged to protect him from those we are certain are our enemies."

"On that subject…" I make deliberate eye contact with Kaldur. "In Fawcett City, I wanted to shoot him dead with the Ace of Winchesters. Captain Marvel ordered me not to. But, he's a Demon and involved in the murder of a very large number of people. Since he's back on Earth already, clearly just sending him back to Hell barely slows him down. I'd like a little forward guidance."

"Imprisonment is my preferred option."

"If that's your final word, I won't complain. But I have summoned Demons while in the Conservatory of Sorcery and with the knowledge of Queen Mera for the express purpose of shooting them dead with the Ace, aand... Justice League rules of engagement expressly exclude Demons from the 'do not kill' list."

Wallace frowns. "Can Demons even die?"

"Maintaining their bodies consumes arcane energy. Damage them enough and it falls apart and they lose whatever they invested in it. Being Demons, they tend to invest everything in the one they're using to keep them looking strong. Techniques for killing-" Arcane life forms of all kinds. "-Demons permanently usually revolve around starving them, taking so much away that they can't sustain themselves. It's difficult, though. If even a little bit survives they can eventually come back, which is what usually happens. The Ace works by sending its own magic into what it is that connects every bit of the Demon and -as far as we can tell- burning everything. One hit and the Demon's gone."

Kaldur's eyes drop as he considers my request. "Is there a less lethal option which you believe can work?"

"As far as I know, he's only a bit stronger than a baseline Human. A lot tougher, but if we knock him down binding chains will keep him there unless he gets external help."

"Then in the event of hostilities that is the option we will pursue."

I nod. I'm.. not happy about that, but our team is supposed to follow the League's example and William's order didn't leave any room for doubt. Still, I doubt Kaldur will mind if I shoot him a few times with Mage Slayers just to make sure that he stays down. Not as if the Demon actually needs his internal organs.

Kaldur returns his attention to the screen. "We need more information. For that, we will need someone inside."

Richard taps something on his computer and one of our screens changes to a wire frame drawing of the house. "Once it gets dark, I should be able to sneak in."

"True. But Roy could do it now."

Richard looks surprised. "Ah, no disrespect to Speedy or anything, but I don't think he's quite that good."

"He's been practising with my stealth armour." Richard hesitates, then nods. "Phasing and invisibility. Unless they know exactly what to look for and have some very specialist equipment, they wouldn't be able to stop him."

"And you're sure you've ironed out the whole 'it makes you crazy' thing?"

"Our testing showed that repeated exposure at low levels was pretty safe. Mister Crandell wore it for hours at a time when working and not at all otherwise, which is the worst combination."

Working out exactly what is happening in the Human body when the adaptation takes place is proving a little tricky. Best guess is that it's something really small that fits within the bounds of normal biological activity. That or something metaphysical, and I don't want to drag Sephtian into analysing something else like this when we've already got a workaround.

Kaldur taps his earpiece. "Aqualad to Speedy." Who's currently lurking in the back of a locally rented van near the mansion. "Activate stealth systems and investigate the mansion. If you get the opportunity, plant listening devices and cameras in areas likely to be occupied during the party. Try to observe General Kerimov or the Demon Constantine, but fall back immediately if you think you've been detected."

"Roger, Aqualad."

"Both Canis and Orange Lantern are available if you need immediate extraction."

"Orange Lantern? You're sure this'll work, right?"

"I checked the armour before you put it on. It's in perfect working order, so… Barring certain exotic detection systems, yes. Have you noticed any problems?"

"No. It's just a bit of a change from using just a bow. Makes me feel like I'm a walking arsenal or something."

Hah. Nice one, universe. It doesn't even have that many integrated weapons. I think it was Artemis' super strength which persuaded him that he needed to up his game when it came to armaments. Neither Green Arrow nor Red Arrow have mentioned anything to me about upgunning themselves and I think I've pushed the League as much as it's productive to for the time being.

"It'll take me about two minutes to do final checks and get inside. I'll be out of contact while the stealth system's active. Depending on where the guards are it should take me about half an hour to plant the bugs. Speedy out."

"Good luck, my friend."

There's a click as Roy hangs up.

"Something's been bothering me." Richard looks pensive. "The Demon Constantine was working for Satanus. If he was telling the truth in Fawcett City, Satanus basically rules Hell now. Which means he at least knows about DMN-."

Wallace smirks. "You mean 'Devil Jizz', right?"

"Batman.. didn't.. go for that name. Anyway, Satanus would at least know about it, right?"

I nod. "Given the usual level of intelligence and creativity Demons show, the most likely sources are him or an unusually well educated cult of some kind."

"Can your ring detect things in Hell?"

"Um. I only went in there briefly. I could navigate alright, though I don't have a map or anything."

"I mean, from Earth could you detect things that were there?"

"Unless there was a portal nearby? No, probably not."

"What about that quintessence waveform scan?"

"I'd have to scan everything on the planet and every part of the Earth's associated magic field. I'd get there eventually, but I'd expect everyone I knew to be dead of old age related causes when I came out of it. And I'd have even more trouble making sense of what I'd seen."

"The Demon Constantine was added to the international watch list, but he's a Demon. Going back to Hell and getting out again is probably something he can do for himself. But Batman's had Squire and me looking at criminal movement patterns. There have been a couple of cases of criminals we knew were in one country appearing in another with no sign of how they got there. Is it possible they're travelling through Hell?"

"Yessss. Though it's a pretty horrifying place, if a major power in Hell like Satanus offered safe passage, it could work."

"And how valuable would that ability be to the Light?"
 
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