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Not Columbus, actually. He was considered crazy not because he thought the world was round, but because he thought it looked like a pear. He honestly believed that the westward distance from Europe to Asia was a third of what it actually is, and only brought the according amount of supplies. He would've never been remembered if he hadn't lucked the fuck out.
A very good point. :p Columbus WAS well-read in Greek math, though. Doesn't mean he came to the right CONCLUSIONS.

He MIGHT have been remembered, though... as the lunatic who swindled Spain out of three ships and crew and then disappeared off into the Atlantic.

EDIT: *research* ... Well I'll be darned. He DID actually think it was pear-shaped, and he wasn't just topologically-impaired.
 
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A very good point. :p Columbus WAS well-read in Greek math, though. Doesn't mean he came to the right CONCLUSIONS.

He MIGHT have been remembered, though... as the lunatic who swindled Spain out of three ships and crew and then disappeared off into the Atlantic.

EDIT: *research* ... Well I'll be darned. He DID actually think it was pear-shaped, and he wasn't just topologically-impaired.

Huh. You learn something new every day.
 
What I find amusing about this video is that the guy is spouting about how ignorant people are, but his example on how people believed the earth was flat is ignorant in itself seeing as that wasn't the case (as in people didn't believe the earth was flat).
There's also the part where he ignores how its the MIB's fault that people are ignorant about aliens in the first place. The MIB wasn't founded by any government(and even if its was its one that's long since gone rogue and out of control), it was founded by a bunch of civilian people who got lucky and where in the place where some aliens decided to land. Said people then decided that the rest of humanity "wasn't ready" to learn about the existence of extraterrestrial life and that only they and they alone could determine humanities place and representation with the rest of the universe. They knew enough about basic human psychology to know that a big shock like alien contact would cause mass panic and chaos, but not enough to know that there is no real way to avoid said mass panic and chaos and hiding things behind a mass conspiracy would only make things worse because when knowledge of aliens does get out, so to would knowledge of a conspiracy that was using memory modification technology to hide it and the public would be exposed to two massive world view changing shocks at the same time(one of which is a massive sledgehammer blow to everyone's paranoia button). All they have done is delayed the inevitable and ultimately make the coming chaos even worse.
 
yeah, the MIB being alien run would have been less disturbing. Still kinda concerning but have J throw in a line about the aliens running it have a really good track record and it's at least decent. Something like how they have a 95% rate of positive outcomes via managed releases after a few decades of prep.

Really any massive masquerade type conspiracy is almost by definition not going to be beneficial to humanity, it's going to be beneficial for whatever is using it to hide or whoever is gaining power by maintaining it.
 
Demeanour (part 15)
20th April
11:58 GMT -5


Prince J'emm looks more than a little wilted as I finish showing him our fight with the Burner. S'yrra has fallen to a sitting position, hands clasping… Ring, coin toss.

Result is: Heads.

Clasping his head. He isn't squeezing his eyes shut or rocking back and forth or any of the other things a Human might do when faced with something so horrifying… Though, thinking about it… I'm not sure that I've ever had that paralysing response to anything. I mean, I knew how horrifying confronting some of my desires would be and I just did it anyway. I've fought Demons, supervillains, soldiers… Blume scared me but I didn't just huddle under the mountain until he went away. Even back on Earth Prime when my thanatophobia struck I didn't get paralysed, I just.. found something to do to keep my mind off it until it died down a little. Hm. When I have another crack at the Cottus thing I should have another chat with Thana about the nature of my soul. Hades seems like a decent guy, but if I'm heading there I'd like to be able to continue my work.

Wonder if the Controllers would be willing to make a non-Nekron associated black power ring for me, just in case?

**What. Other evidence do you have. What else did you see?**

I create a sound baffle around the room and then hold out my left hand. A projection of the Guardian who recorded the logs appears. "…difficulties, I continue to believe that rehabilitation is possible. Preserving the natives in their own habitat will be.. somewhat difficult now…" The image glitches. "…increasing sophistication. It is almost as if our presence here has provoked them to unify. How groups with whom we have not had direct contact are even aware of us I am not…" Another glitch, and the Guardian is replaced by a time lapsed image of the surface of Mars. "Simply destroying the natives and recreating them using genetic samples would be far easier. Still, we are resolved not to resort to such methods, even…" The image jumps forwards. "I did not properly anticipate the damage this conflict would cause to the planet's surface." We watch as chunks of surface are scoured of plant life. "The combination of telepathy and physical mutability enable them to fight us with surprising effectiveness, given their lack of technological…" Another glitch, and the map now shows the modern, barren Mars. A new Guardian appears. "…resettled into cave systems we constructed in areas already cleared. We have avoided leaving any trace…" Another glitch. "… different forms. The 'red' variant is least modified, though all three colours possess the comportment and empathy we were aiming to engender."

I don't see a particular reaction from either Red Martian. Given what we saw, I suppose it would be surprising if they did know. I suppose that in cases of ancient conspiracy I'm just trained by popular culture to suspect the ones who benefit from it. I think this situation justifies an empathic scan. S'yrra glows with yellow, uncertainty about the state of his mental universe and horror at the idea of becoming something like the Burner. Prince J'emm is.. harder to read. Certainly nothing which looks like guilt. Though I suppose if he's got good enough self control to essentially set his hand on fire then he could probably suppress that as well.

"Their natural telepathy means that the control system will be passed from one generation to the next in the womb without the need for constant intervention. Time will tell which…"

**They dared-!**

Again, it's weird. I can feel his anger through our mental link. It's not like just seeing it, like this it's so much more immediate. I'm getting the set of assumptions which lead to the anger, not in the clinical, removed way vision gives them to me but as if they were my beliefs, beliefs from my own culture.

There's a series of flickers. "… y colleagues have expressed concern that our modifications have reduced their aggression in too great a degree. Our predictive models show that it is possible that their civilisation will remain introverted as a result. Self isolating. Having reviewed the data in depth I have recommended a continual monitoring…" The image changes to show the Burner. "…intelligence, unusual in its kind. I will attempt to initiate mental contact. Perhaps we will be able to complete the conversion peacefully when they see that we have their best interests at heart?"

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Unsurprisingly, there were no further recordings. It looked like the remaining Burners killed the Guardians, their security robots and any modified Martians still on board before putting themselves in suspended animation. The one we encountered appeared to have sabotaged the other units to make sure that his remained powered for as long as possible.**

**Is there more?**

**I found this map.** I replace the image of the Burner with the globe showing pre-war Mars. Or Ma'aleca'andra, I suppose. **There may be more, but I won't be able to find out until I can talk to the Controllers. They have contact with the Guardians and may be able to access their records of the event.**

Prince J'emm takes a moment to think about things. **You were right to bring this to me. I will need to bring this to the royal conclave. Do you believe that there are any other 'Burning Martians' still in existence?**

**I'm sorry, I have no idea. It.. seems unlikely. They didn't seem like the 'deferred gratification' type and we've had no reports of rampaging fire monsters.** I pause for a moment as I contemplate my answer. **That also match the other parts of the description.**

**What became of the one you did encounter?**

**We recharged the ship and sent it to its owners' homeworld with a warning about what was inside. I don't know enough about Controller justice to know what they'll do with it. They might recreate the original work to turn it into a modern Martian, they might kill it out of hand or they might try something else.**

**We will need some time to decide what to do with this information. Can I assume that the fact you brought it to me first indicates that you do not intend to release it?**

**I don't intend to release it anytime soon, no. If I thought that the Red Martians were planning to sit on it indefinitely I might start dropping hints…**

**No, that would not be practical. Though we do need to be careful about how the release is presented. Thank you, for the information and your forbearance. Is there anything else you wish to discuss?**

**Yes, but nothing else is secret. You can call your retinue back in if you like.**

**I think it would be best for me to take a little time to get my thoughts in order first. As I feel now I could not guarantee that they would not feel something of my discomportment.**

**Alright. Then I'd like to present myself as this Space Sector's Orange Lantern. I'm based on Earth, but if there's anything the Corps can do for the people of Mars, you can tell me and I'll try to get it done.**

**Can you undo the damage done to the surface of our world? Can you restore the species lost? Can you cause the iron in our world's core to spin, granting us a magnetic field capable of turning aside the radiation which now deluges our planet?**

**Can I theoretically do that? Yes. But it wouldn't be safe for me to try spinning your world's core without knowing a lot more than I do about planetary physics. But the Controllers are thousands of years old. When I consult with them, I will speak to them about Mars and ask their advice. As for the damage done to your biosphere, I will also ask if they have records from that period. Or if their cousins the Guardians do. If so, then I will make them available to you. You could use them to start building nature reserves on the surface using artificial shields.**

**I will thank you in advance for the information. As for the reserves, I already sponsor several such sites. M'gann M'orzz's uncle Ma'alefa'ak J'onzz is responsible for one.**

**Yes, I'm planning on visiting him before I leave. Anything else you want?**

**Many minor things. Nothing worthy of your time.**

**I understood that there is some minor civil unrest?**

**There are flare ups every so often. It is an inevitable part of governing a large community. I myself do not agree with the intentional disadvantaging of my White subjects.**

**But advantaging your Red subjects is fine?**

He pauses before replying. **In light of what I have just been informed, I may need to reconsider many things.**

**One last question then. There are things I could do to make travel between Earth and Mars easier-.**

**No. Having borne witness to the upheaval caused by the limited contact we already have, I will not support any move to increase the frequency of such contact. I will take no action to stop you pursuing such an end yourself, but I will speak against it when asked. I do not believe that the time has arrived for a deepening of relations.**

I nod, then realise that they probably don't know what that means either. **Very well. Then I will take my leave. Thank you for seeing me.**
 
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Prince J'emm looks more than a little wilted as I finish showing him our fight with the Burner. S'yrrn has fallen to a sitting position, hands clasping… Ring, coin toss.

Result is: Heads.

Clasping his head. He isn't squeezing his eyes shut or rocking back and forth or any of the other things a Human might do when faced with something so horrifying…

S'yrrn glows with yellow, uncertainty about the state of her mental universe and horror at the idea of becoming something like the Burner.
S'yrrn changes from "he" to "she". I don't know if that was on purpose or not.

The image changes to shoe the Burner.
"show

**That also match the other parts of the description.**
"matches"

If I though that the Red Martians were planning to sit on it indefinitely I might start dropping hints…**
"thought"

You could use them to start building nature reserves on the surface using artificial shield.**
shields"
 
**No. Having borne witness to the upheaval caused by the limited contact we already have, I will not support any move to increase the frequency of such contact. I will take no action to stop you pursuing such an end yourself, but I will speak against it when asked. I do not believe that the time has arrived for a deepening of relations.**
There's that self isolation rearing it's ugly head. :rolleyes:
 
To be fair, they're now sitting on an enormously disturbing culture-bomb, the increasing social disruption further contact would bring before he can at least take that information to a larger council seems hasty.
Yeah, whether the self isolation is programmed or not it is probably the best move until they can settle this new mess.

Finding out that your entire people were essentially brainwashed by the Guardians is no small thing.
 
Thanatophobia, unless the British call it something else.
Did you mean thought?
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S'yrrn changes from "he" to "she". I don't know if that was on purpose or not.
"show" "matches" "thought" "shields"
Thank you, corrected.
Thought there were four colors or was the Yellow Martian thing a joke?
If they exist on Mars 16 they aren't widely known about.
Also @Mr Zoat there a reason why Manhunter hadn't reported this to his government himself yet?
He reported it to his king, who sat on it.
Why did Paul have to tell them?
Because that isn't good enough.
 
All they have done is delayed the inevitable and ultimately make the coming chaos even worse.
Or it will all turn out fine, what with them living in a comedy and all.

Thanatophobia, unless the British call it something else.
Chronic Reaperitis

He reported it to his king, who sat on it.
Is that a prerogative the King has, or will the rest of the Reds on the Royal Conclave be upset he kept it from them?
 
While randomly pondering things, I think I came up with an interesting way to solve the Paulphidian OP issue.

Separation becomes more and more difficult as OL's soul fully conforms to him.

As he becomes more Ophidiany, the merger slowly becomes less "Mortal merging with entity" and more "Entity rebinding with a smaller piece of itself."

Separation becomes painful, leads to addictive behavior, and identity disassociation, and so OL and Snek-waifu have to establish a new sort of relationship rather than Host/Entity.
 
That was an incredibly satisfying update. I cant quite put my finger on why, but I think J'emm asking a bunch of impossible things like restarting the magnetic field, and OL suggesting plausible courses of action. Any normal story would stress learning your limitations and accepting the present as is. This update exemplifies the question: "Okay, what's next after that?"
 
What I find amusing about this video is that the guy is spouting about how ignorant people are, but his example on how people believed the earth was flat is ignorant in itself seeing as that wasn't the case (as in people didn't believe the earth was flat).
you know, back in the 70's/80's, there was an official flat-earth society....

That was an incredibly satisfying update. I cant quite put my finger on why, but I think J'emm asking a bunch of impossible things like restarting the magnetic field, and OL suggesting plausible courses of action. Any normal story would stress learning your limitations and accepting the present as is. This update exemplifies the question: "Okay, what's next after that?"

you know, i find it strangely satisfying to see a character outright acknowledge that while they CAN do something, they dont know enough to safely try YET.
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i have a LOT of friends in IT
 
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