Yes. The President may salute back at his preference (a trend set by Reagan).
Of course if this is a casual/informal meeting, the participants may choose not follow standard rules of protocol.
With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
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Yes. The President may salute back at his preference (a trend set by Reagan).
Of course if this is a casual/informal meeting, the participants may choose not follow standard rules of protocol.
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Sounds relevant, however perhaps a more accurate example would be this.
So perhaps that is an entirely worse suggestion and I should trust that Zoat specified a US general because it was relevant rather than just saying general and allowing us to assume... Or perhaps he is toying with me, watching as my mind meanders, satisfied that he can drop me into insanity at some random time of his choosing by accident.
Of course I'm assuming here that OL is the general and the Prelate is the president whereas Zoat might actually be asking for reasons entirely unconnected to the story. Or we could be meeting a new military martian. Or there could be a random interlude.
So perhaps that is an entirely worse suggestion and I should trust that Zoat specified a US general because it was relevant rather than just saying general and allowing us to assume... Or perhaps he is toying with me, watching as my mind meanders, satisfied that he can drop me into insanity at some random time of his choosing by accident.
Incorrect. From AFI 34-1201 Protocol, Fig 8.1:
Figure 8.1. Member not in Formation but in Uniform Salutes as Follows
The President and Vice President Outdoors When recognized by the junior member In a vehicle When distinguished by vehicle plates and/or flags
Generally speaking, you never render a hand salute indoors unless it's for a ceremonial purpose, like winning an award (medal) and you're doing the shake take salute.
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Agreed with Dark as Silver- if the context of the question is OL meeting the boss Martian, them the protocol should be a foreign general meeting the president.
In which case it would be up to that country's individual protocol rules, but in most cases they'd still salute (US for example says to salute "officers of friendly foreign countries") so there's no practical difference.
In which case it would be up to that country's individual protocol rules, but in most cases they'd still salute (US for example says to salute "officers of friendly foreign countries") so there's no practical difference.
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For one, the meeting with Jemm is all but certainly already written, so Zoat would be asking for an update a few days away. And if the context is about Martians, why would Zoat specify a US General at the oval office? For the Martian government he could just make something up.
I imagine the context is that OL or Grayven will be meeting with the President for some reason or other and a General comes in during the meeting, presumably for consultation.
Is that specific to the Air Force?
Customs and courtesies are the same across all branches. I quoted the AFI because that's the regulation I know personally, so it was easiest to pull up as a primary source. Assuming it is a Grayven thing, and the President walks into a room occupied by military officers, they're going to call the room to attention, everyone will stand, military in attention posture, government civilians will just stand up, then the POTUS will say some variation of carry on, and they go back to the meeting.
Empiricist2
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Reading over the document you quoted again, I think a General would salute.
8.1.1. The hand salute is the form of greeting and recognition exchanged between persons in
the armed services. All Air Force personnel in uniform are required to salute when they
encounter any person or situation entitled to the salute.
And then:
8.1.1.3. When reporting to a senior officer, secure permission to enter, walk to within
two paces of the officer or desk, halt, salute and report. Hold the salute until it is
returned. Prior to departing, take one step back, render salute, execute an about face and
leave in a military manner.
While the part you quoted is there, it doesn't specifically say that saluting indoors is prohibited. The link I quoted initially says that it's optional. I'm inclined to say that a General would salute even if it isnt specifically required.
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Okay. Thank you.
Edit: Okay, I'm going to let you chaps talk it out.
Two things. One, that Fig 8.1 calls out every specific instance where you shall render a salute. If you didn't read it there, don't render a salute. And the second quotation refers to reporting, which is when you're called specifically to report to an officer, usually for disciplinary action. In that instance, you'll follow the described steps. When you read a regulation, there's no implications. If it's not specifically stated you will, you won't.
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They might be useful for people untrained in shapeshifting, if the symbiote is more adept.
You could even have symbiotes with specialist skills for different environments - rebreather-esque forms for stripping oxygen out of water for those who don't know how to form gills, special anti-heat adaptations to reduce the fire weakness (Zoat has brought back the comic version where it's a Guardian-induced phobia, but on the show it was a physiological result of Mars being colder than Earth); and, of course, combat uniforms that density-shift for durability, project telepathic shields automatically etc.
They might even have superior shapeshifting abilities to Martians on a biological level, in the same way the bio-ship is designed for flight.
Tabi
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But it seems so... redundant.
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Telling people apart? No, that's very useful in social situations.
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Its true. Eight out of ten times I believe the person I am socialising with is a different person it ends badly.
Its why I don't go to masked balls anymore.
Tabi
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But a people that can shapeshift into whatever matter they wish? I mean, sure the vast majority probably aren't capable of the stuff that J'onn regularly pulls off, but the point stands.
Then again, Martians can be rather... unimaginative.
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If I had to guess he would have been a Burning Martian, and was one of the ones the Guardians converted, and became a White Martian, who also discovered how to become immortal. Presumably because no longer being a rage monster allowed him to dedicate himself to his studies better.
Rings do have charges that last about a day of regular use, and they may know this from the Martian on the JL. So if they are being especially dickish...
And he would have used his ring to make sure the resulting hole matched his shilouette exactly, instead of what a hole would normally look like. Just for the lulz.
Probably not, they would be inside in the white house, and if this general meets with the president with any regularity, I would expect it to be dropped behind closed doors.
The reason the rest of don't go to masked balls anymore is we don't live in Medieval France.
I would think OL would be scanning individual DNA equivalent or something, which would remain unique. How far down does the shape shifting go?
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True, but suppressing his boredom probably doesn't take much charge. He could likely keep that up for longer than a day.
Man, you don't know my life.
Seems to go pretty far. Zoat just mentioned they avoid moving their inner bits around if they can, which means they could if needbe. I doubt they can cook up terror plagues in their stomachs, but I bet physical form isn't much of an issue otherwise.
After all, M'gann grew new organs, those Starro ones, blueprints for which wouldn't have been present in her own DNA, and which wouldn't have interacted well if she couldn't do something about the whole "organ rejection" thing humans gotta deal with. That's pretty much guaranteed to be DNA fuckery, unless it's magic.
Also, remember, on Earth 16 soul structures are a thing. The magical field on Mars probably generates them too, and that might be all they need to maintain selfhood. Not that selfhood means too much on a planet full of telepaths. Heck, they might even be able to fix your brain if something did go wrong there, just by gathering together the people who knew you.
Also, bad Paul. Just because you can secretly do invasive scans on a planet of shapeshifting telepaths, doesn't mean that you should, even if it is rather convenient.
At least, that's what they tell me.
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I can also confirm: I tell people apart almost entirely by hair-do/head-gear, and it leads to problems all the time.
Ah, so you're the kind of person those Tiny Masks are meant to deceive.
Like we didn't know that already.
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Megan turned her blood into human blood for Garfield's emergency blood transfusion in the show.
Back in the old days, Martian Manhunter's shapeshifting was complete- As in if he shapeshifted into Superman he'd have Superman's powers and weaknesses.
Zoat probably isn't going to make that a normal thing Martians can do, but perhaps what absolute masters of the shapeshifting arts are capable of.
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Well, it's a good thing he decided NOT to.
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Well that's embarrassing. Thanks.
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Biological shape shifting is weird to imagine. If it ever was complete, changing back would be contingent on the new form also being a shape shifter. If there are no specialized cells, or even organs, the shapeshifter would be very hard to kill as well.
Perhaps we can handwave the transfusion by saying Megan morphed some marrow-like stuff and produced blood instead of turning herself directly into blood? The old days were sort of ridiculous.
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Maybe their shape-shifting is enabled by having a superweapon with the essence of either Phobos or Deimos shoved between their souls?
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