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The Mallus Compliance (Space Marines in Warhammer Fantasy - Chapter Master/Empire Building)

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So who is the ''Macharia 45th Infantry Regiment'' and what are they like? I thought Macharia was a shrine world, not exactly known for a tithe of manpower?
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Two parts to this, firstly I didn't want to give you actual cadians because they're boring, so I picked a planet nearby, Macharia, supposedly a militarised hive world in the Cadia system. However, indeed it looks like there are two Macharias, one of which is indeed a shrine world.

On the second part, the shrine macharia has a population of 30 billion apparently. If it can manage that it can manage a few guard regiments lol
 
RookDeSuit said:
Ah, do you not know the glory that is Lord Solar Macharius? The Imperial version of Alexander of Macedonia, and high tier Chad of the Guard?
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I knew it was named after him and his awesome groundbreaking expansion. Honestly, it was even more impressive than the creation of the realm of Ultramar. what I did not know was that more than one imperial world bore that name hence my confusion. I wonder what people even do all day on a world that is a shrine to Macharius though.
 
Incidentally I might make them Macharians rather than cadians, that's much more interesting. No change in quality though given they were specified as troops who could train others
 
Vote closed, Plan Gathering Resources and Finding More of Our Men wins, @Talon TigerDino I'll be rolling now but any final remarks or are you ok with the default for various things, eg, brining all the ships down, not keeping one up there to be an orbital launch site for drop pods and stuff? Just wanted to check.

Also that's a weird count, not sure why it's doing that but yes Talon's plan did win.
Scheduled vote count started by FractiousDay on Aug 6, 2021 at 7:59 PM, finished with 25 posts and 5 votes.
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    [X] Plan: Gathering Resources and Finding More of Our Men
    [X]plan the daily grind
    [X] Plan Movement
    -[X] Vassals
    -[X] Fortify
    -[X] Rites of Unity (Vehicles)
    -[X] Shattered Body, Pure Mind
    -[X] Seeking a Home
    -[X] Warding
    -[X] Personal Attention
    --[X] Vassals
    [X] Plan: Consolidating Resources
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'Contacting' the Xenos
To fight a threat, we must know the threat. Previously we assumed these reptilian xenos to be an entirely crude, primitive species, easily dealt. Now we have learned that they have an entire city, cloaked in witchcraft of unexpected complexity and power. We have yet to encounter any psykers amongst the xenos to explain this, and so we must dig deeper. And, I suppose, to determine if Corax's hypothesis on these beasts' motivations is correct. If they are content to hide in their jungles, then that simply means we can focus more upon our own recovery while they panic over their sudden uncovering.

Discerning the Xenos 56 Generally good knowledge aquired
Further Slann activity? 3 minor slann takes notice
Anything unusual? 67 Skink priest
Plaques 16 not part of the great plan?

-[X] [Personal] Integration
This is a weighty decision. Ancient edict forbids what I am about to suggest. But the truth is that mortals ever look up to Astartes in times of crisis, and crisis is what we are in. We must take command, and soon the opportune moment will arise. The Mechanicus of the Thunderchild already have effectively welded themselves to us. The surviving mortals of the Night of Ten Thousand already look upon the Chapter Master as their king and savior. And once we have rescued what remains of the orbitals, they will too. No one will gainsay their rescuers.

General integration roll given previous response 58, generally positive and successful

-[X] The Battle of the Orbitals
The foul moon taints and corrupts all who fall under its light, and for those vessels adrift in space, there rarely is a time free from its influence. Those under the auspices of the Ecclesiarchy appear to be withstanding things better than most, but there are a number of vessels that have fallen silent, and have devoured what few small scouting parties were sent within them. The corruption will not cease; it ever grows, gnawing, consuming, twisting and changing the frame it plagues. We must take the vessels by force now, before the everything of worth is lost, or worse.

His Wrath 32, destroyed with losses
Rapah 64, taken with losses
Torch 73, largely held out anyway, and retaken easily
Farsight 99 everyone's actually fine thanks for asking how are you
Galu IV 2 destroyed with heavy losses
Kingmaker 93, also basically fine.

-[X] Shattered Body, Pure Mind
Once seized, we must take what we can from the ships and bring their hulls down upon this world. The orbits are untenable as long as that damnable moon leers in the void, sadly.

Wreckage of Comradeship? (also survivors?) 85
Peregrin 48 heavy damage
Cardinal 9 mitigated
Wreckage of His Wrath and Galu IV 86
Rapah 94
Torch 77
Farsight 73
Kingmaker 38 mitigated by salvage

-[X] Salvage the Mordant
We need materials and parts for our repairs. Moreso, we need to keep our technologies out of the hands of the xenos, mutants, or heretics.

Salvage success 58 can mitigate others

-[X] Searching for Survivors
We do not leave our own to die.

Landing 87
Response of natives 25
Scouting 6 mitigated by scrying result

-[X] Scrying
-Specifically, for the aforementioned survivors.
Given how entire cities can apparently be hidden from scanners and the naked eye, it is prudent to also apply more... mystical means to our search. Should there be any veil or shadow masking our men's location, the Librarius shall rend it asunder.

Scrying 96
Chaos response 7
Druchii response given previous detection 11
FractiousDay threw 4 100-faced dice. Reason: Contact Total: 142
56 56 3 3 67 67 16 16
FractiousDay threw 1 100-faced dice. Reason: Integration Total: 58
58 58
FractiousDay threw 6 100-faced dice. Reason: Battle Total: 363
32 32 64 64 73 73 99 99 2 2 93 93
FractiousDay threw 8 100-faced dice. Reason: Broken Total: 510
85 85 48 48 9 9 86 86 94 94 77 77 73 73 38 38
FractiousDay threw 1 100-faced dice. Reason: Mordant Total: 56
56 56
FractiousDay threw 6 100-faced dice. Reason: Survivors Total: 232
87 87 25 25 6 6 96 96 7 7 11 11
 
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and the rolls on deplomacy are a bit shit but we got the kingmaker and we are not going to have a good time with the lizardmen
 
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This actually still went pretty darn well, overall I have no idea how we keep getting so lucky.
 
thefoolswriter said:
i wonder if we can do some legion building
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So at the eventual end of this quest, which is indeed a while yet, maybe I'll send you back to the Imperium and the invasion can be the other way around, from WFB to 40k. At this time though you'd probably have a crusade declared against you given all the unsanctioned psykery, administrative heresy and various other things you've been doing.
 
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Regarding the Lions and the Inquisition
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    • thefoolswriter said:
    and it all could have been avoided if an inquisitor had not acted like a child
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    A lot of the criticism of 40k comes from our perspectives though. The Inquisition aren't powerful. They don't maintain massive fleets or armies, they have specific forces useful for particular things, but they rely extensively on others to do what they say.

    The Inquisition rely instead on relationships and mystique. They understand this:

    "I carry with me an Inquisitorial Seal. It is a small, unassuming object contained in a neat box of Pluvian obsidian. It is a modest thing, relatively plain, adorned with a single motif and a simple motto. Yet with this little object I can sign the death warrant of an entire world and consign a billion souls to Oblivion."

    For their operations to be successful it's absolutely essential that people listen to them and don't question them. The Lions questioned an exterminatus and then went round for 50 years bugging people about it and complaining to various people. It was essential for the Inquisition to crush this dissent because if it wasn't then they'd have continued disobedience from other chapters. As soon as people start thinking they can stand up to the Inquisition the whole affair comes crumbling down.

    The Inquisition would have to start being more overt, trailing around with fleets after them or large formations. The whole purpose of them relies on them being relatively quiet for a long time, then jumping out and ordering stuff to happen, which questions from others would delay. For example, say a Malleus inquisitor knows about a daemon summoning on a planet that's otherwise peaceful. The Governor and other authorities are complicit, and the Inquisitor requires some passing fleet to fire on the planet to prevent a disaster. Then the fleet just says 'I don't see any corruption are you sure, I'm not going to attack them'. The daemon gets summoned, various bad things happen.

    The strength of the inquisition is in their navigation of the weird feudal system of parcelised sovereignty that the Imperium operates on. If they can't do that they might as well be some random arm of the Adeptus Terra.

    Just as a final edit: IMO the Lions were the guilty party here. They threatened the entire system of the Inquisition and the functioning of thousands of operations across the Galaxy. The Inquisition were entirely justified from their perspective, and even from other chapters like Grimaldus. That doesn't mean the Inquisition's actions were necessarily morally correct, or that they couldn't do something else, but within the logic of 40k they were justified.
     
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    A lot of the criticism of 40k comes from our perspectives though. The Inquisition aren't powerful. They don't maintain massive fleets or armies, they have specific forces useful for particular things, but they rely extensively on others to do what they say.

    The Inquisition rely instead on relationships and mystique. They understand this:

    "I carry with me an Inquisitorial Seal. It is a small, unassuming object contained in a neat box of Pluvian obsidian. It is a modest thing, relatively plain, adorned with a single motif and a simple motto. Yet with this little object I can sign the death warrant of an entire world and consign a billion souls to Oblivion."

    For their operations to be successful it's absolutely essential that people listen to them and don't question them. The Lions questioned an exterminatus and then went round for 50 years bugging people about it and complaining to various people. It was essential for the Inquisition to crush this dissent because if it wasn't then they'd have continued disobedience from other chapters. As soon as people start thinking they can stand up to the Inquisition the whole affair comes crumbling down.

    The Inquisition would have to start being more overt, trailing around with fleets after them or large formations. The whole purpose of them relies on them being relatively quiet for a long time, then jumping out and ordering stuff to happen, which questions from others would delay. For example, say a Malleus inquisitor knows about a daemon summoning on a planet that's otherwise peaceful. The Governor and other authorities are complicit, and the Inquisitor requires some passing fleet to fire on the planet to prevent a disaster. Then the fleet just says 'I don't see any corruption are you sure, I'm not going to attack them'. The daemon gets summoned, various bad things happen.

    The strength of the inquisition is in their navigation of the weird feudal system of parcelised sovereignty that the Imperium operates on. If they can't do that they might as well be some random arm of the Adeptus Terra.

    Just as a final edit: IMO the Lions were the guilty party here. They threatened the entire system of the Inquisition and the functioning of thousands of operations across the Galaxy. The Inquisition were entirely justified from their perspective, and even from other chapters like Grimaldus. That doesn't mean the Inquisition's actions were necessarily morally correct, or that they couldn't do something else, but within the logic of 40k they were justified.
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    Still, the Inquisition's agents have so much autonomy and authority, to be able to do what they did to a known, loyal, respected Chapter like the Celestial Lions, simply because the Lions thumbed their noses at the Inquisition, that I really think Guilliman ain't going to be too happy with them in the long run, and will take steps. The Inquisition seems to be quite capable of Starscreaming itself and entire worlds purely because of how much an Inquisitor can get away with, under surprisingly little oversight.
     
    The CL went to the High Lords of Terra to complain; which, among other things, includes the (nominal) head of the Inquisition, and is the proper party to report a arguably unneeded Exterminatus to, so that an Inquisitorial tribunal might be organized to try the Inquisitor in question for wasting one of the Emperor's worlds. That's the official proper channel to do this sort of thing.
    In canon, the Lions sent never made it to the High Lords, getting killed en route, and since then things got worse. This is simply one Inquisitor covering his tracks to avoid a Tribunal and subsequently out maneuvering the shit of the Celestial Lions politically by aligning himself with the faction that wants to put Marines in their place.

    In this quest though, the High Lords were successfully contacted and just shrugged though, so the CLs continuing to be bothersome about the ordeal does put them at fault in the eyes of the Imperium.
     
    Grayhicks said:
    that I really think Guilliman ain't going to be too happy with them in the long run, and will take steps.
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    It's a deeply troubled system, and you know the Inquisition takes it too personal than they should, when they stonewall the Celestial Marines from getting Primaris Marines. There are chapters fighting to not have Guilliman's Marine reinforcements, despite his public decree, but then there are the Celestial Lions who can't even get Primaris, so how could they deny them?
     
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    Talon TigerDino said:
    In this quest though, the High Lords were successfully contacted and just shrugged though, so the CLs continuing to be bothersome about the ordeal does put them at fault in the eyes of the Imperium.
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    I don't think I've made that explicit anywhere, you've got:

    FractiousDay said:
    Messengers had gone to Holy Terra to plead for reason, half a dozen officers including the Chapter Master himself. They had never returned.
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    I've proposed that after the officers went to Terra, Amra becomes Chapter Master and decides to retreat, which isn't what the Lions did in canon.

    Incidentally, I've been reading about the Badab War and the Tiger Claws' Chapter Master also disappeared while trying to petition the High Lords so clearly this isn't the first time it's happened.
     
    RookDeSuit said:
    It's a deeply troubled system, and you know the Inquisition takes it to personal than they should when they stonewall the Celestial Marines from getting Primaris Marines. There are chapters fighting to not have Guilliman's Marine reinforcements despite his public decree, but then there are the Celestial Lions who can't even get Primaris so who could they deny them?
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    The Inquisition may not have all that much "real" power, but it has a shit ton of authority. Only, its percieved authority, based on fear and respect and the concept of them not answering to anyone short of the Emperor himself. So no one is willing to challenge them on their decisions, because of that perceived authority. Its make them very petty, because without that perceived authority, they lack any real ability to do anything.
     
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