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Shepard Quest Mk VII, Age of Revy (ME/MCU)

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tri2 said:
what was the thing you guys wanted from mk II again?
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Not sure about the exact mechnanics but think we should base it a bit off of the Mark 2 from the MCU AKA the iconic Iron Man armor. As a reminder, to everyone else, the Mark 1 was supposed to be the quest equivelant of Tony's first suit that he made in a cave except in this instance Revy would have had access to Citadel tech. One thing I definitely remember was that while we could improve it to something like Mark 1.75 that the armor would always be limited because it was always 'just' going to be the first stage and if we wanted to do things like add the more advanced tech we would need to get the Mark 2.

So let's say that instead of small improvements people would expect of the 'Mark series' that it would be more accurate to say that Marks 'stages' would work better. Like how we use generations for the Arc Reactors with 3 being the highest we can make it. Except here Mark 2 is meant to be the final stage itself it appeals.

So overall I'd say it's just an overall improvements over the basics with the advantage that we can actually add more tech. But to add more to it:

1) Mobility

Based off the canon MCU comparisons the Mark 1 was never anywhere near as agile and dexterous as the Mark 2 series was. So it makes sense that the sleeker designs give more freedom of movement and is easier to move in over the Mark 1.

2) Easy assembly and access

One of the most iconic scenes from the MCU series is Iron Man being able to call pieces of his armor to him and have it assemble over him in seconds. Same here where people can easily carry the Mark 2 around like literal suitcases and instantly put it on in seconds.

3) Advanced tech additions

One main reason for the Mark 2 originally is that the Mark 1 was just the absolute limit we could push armor before we need to get the next stage to be able to add new tech because the Mark 1 wasn't designed for those level of additions. Now we can just add any tech as long as they aren't limited to anything bigger than a ship. As in these are the Armors that can have things in them like quantum comms and man sized FTL in them.

4) Overall improvements

Basically just better in everything that the Mark 1 can do. Better stats, performance, movement, just better overall.

Though as noted the Mark 2s are likely meant to be a lot more expensive than the Mark 1a. Which I think fits, these are meant to be the iconic Iron Man armors and the pinnacle of Power Armor tech. Makes sense for them to be say limited to the elites.

I imagine the armors in the quest being:

First Armor: Prototype power armor made in Revy garage at the start of the quest.

Mark 1: Next stage of Power Armor Development

Mark 2: Final Stage of Power Armor development, all future enhancements are limited to the tech we can add to them.

This work?
 
my idea was just that Revy always has her most updated suit with ALL tech that is researched incorporated. For example with 5m mech researched she now has access to 5m tall iron man suit, aka a hulk buster suit that the regular suit can fit it. Though it has the hypermodularity armor modules, it lacks the ability to self fly and assemble themselves onto you, for now.
 
tri2 said:
my idea was just that Revy always has her most updated suit with ALL tech that is researched incorporated. For example with 5m mech researched she now has access to 5m tall iron man suit, aka a hulk buster suit that the regular suit can fit it. Though it has the hypermodularity armor modules, it lacks the ability to self fly and assemble themselves onto you, for now.
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Are you answering me or the other guy Katsuragi?
 
It does feel like something Revy would do. Why keep subpar equipment for herself?

If she does this though it removes the need for an upgrade action, since such a gradual upgrade cycle would bring down the time requirements to below the abstractions of the quest mechanics.
 
tri2 said:
both?
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Really? I would be fine if we didn't get anything past the Mark 2 but, and no offense, but it does feel a bit disappointing that it doesn't feel like we got the Mark 2 but just a feature. Like as I said the Mark 2 was meant to be the iconic Iron Man armor. As in the actual iconic one instead of the quests equivalent of the armor made with scraps in a cave.

The thing we have spent literally years out of quest talking about, arguing for an people donating omake points to finally get it. It felt like it should feel like a milestone we can be proud of in story but it just seems like it wouldn't really be any different than what we would have gotten if the only real difference is that you say we are getting the Mark 2 and not anything else.

Because IIRC you said we'd already be able to add new tech to our armors anyway so doesn't really feel like we get anything different with the Mark 2. Considering that we didn't get any fanfare assumed that we already had that for our armor.
 
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Red Bovine said:
Really? I would be fine if we didn't get anything past the Mark 2 but, and no offense, but it does feel a bit disappointing that it doesn't feel like we got the Mark 2 but just a feature. Like as I said the Mark 2 was meant to be the iconic Iron Man armor. As in the actual iconic one instead of the quests equivalent of the armor made with scraps in a cave.

The thing we have spent literally years out of quest talking about, arguing for an people donating omake points to finally get it. It felt like it should feel like a milestone we can be proud of in story but it just seems like it wouldn't really be any different than what we would have gotten if the only real difference is that you say we are getting the Mark 2 and not anything else.

Because IIRC you said we'd already be able to add new tech to our armors anyway so doesn't really feel like we get anything different with the Mark 2. Considering that we didn't get any fanfare assumed that we already had that for our armor.
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I mean MKI is iron monger scrap armor
legionary was basically the proper MKI already with arc reactor, repulsors, flight, weapons
while the MKII you want is basically the legionary just with everything tony has developed over the years after it.
the MK II project proposed was essentially 'upgrade the legionary with all the new tech you made after it' which was just something I thought made no sense with Revy's personality, no way would she let her personal baby just become outdated and outclassed. It is like her own personal motorcycle, she works and upgrades it as a hobby and in her spare time in the garage whenever she finds or gets better tech for it.
 
tri2 said:
I mean MKI is iron monger scrap armor
legionary was basically the proper MKI already with arc reactor, repulsors, flight, weapons
while the MKII you want is basically the legionary just with everything tony has developed over the years after it.
the MK II project proposed was essentially 'upgrade the legionary with all the new tech you made after it' which was just something I thought made no sense with Revy's personality, no way would she let her personal baby just become outdated and outclassed. It is like her own personal motorcycle, she works and upgrades it as a hobby and in her spare time in the garage whenever she finds or gets better tech for it.
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No offense but IIRC we have been told repeatedly over the years over all quests is that the Mk1 was always meant to be inferior to the M2 and that the Mark 2 was always meant to be the true iconic armor. Mark 1.50 while having more advanced military tech was still pretty much the Mark 1 but more advanced version but not actually next stage. Not to say that it wasn't impressive as hell considering that in MCU we see it steam roll dozen of armed soldiers and was even capable of flight.

Throw in Mass Effect tech and it makes sense that even what is the equivalent of MCUs cave armor but made with proper facilities and more tech added would be powerful even in the Mass Effect setting. So it did make sense if Revy didn't spend time creating a full on next level design for the armor since as it was it was powerful as is. But it doesn't feel like the Iconic Armor because we have been repeatedly told 'no, you don't have the Iconic Iron Man armor and actually need to research it'. Here is the description for it from the previous quests:
Hoyr said:
[ ] Mk II Suit [500]: Building your armor in easily replaceable components made from your advanced materials lets you make it so much stronger than the MK 1.5 could ever be. It also lets Cortana suit you up, which looks awesome. Adding repulsors in the hands and feet gives you hitherto unimagined maneuverability. (I. Am. Iron. Man! [Well, ceramic man, but the other thing sounds better!])
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It pretty much describes it as the iconic armor and even outright mentions that it lacked the repulsors on the hands and it not being nearly as maneuverable and even mentions the suit up option as part of the deal. It also flats out states that the armor was meant to be significantly stronger than the Mark 1.
tri2 said:
the MK II project proposed was essentially 'upgrade the legionary with all the new tech you made after it' which was just something I thought made no sense with Revy's personality, no way would she let her personal baby just become outdated and outclassed. It is like her own personal motorcycle, she works and upgrades it as a hobby and in her spare time in the garage whenever she finds or gets better tech for it.
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I mean it makes sense if the original intent was that it was literally impossible for Revy to upgrade the armor any further with new tech because that was just the limit of the design. To give an example look at the earlier plane designs, if you wanted to get to something like the modern versions you'd flat out need to redesign it since you can only take the original design so far.

Also the talk of Revy upgrading her armor makes it sound like she is just upgrading her personal one.

As for it not making sense that Revy hasn't been improving the armor when it feels like she should have? Why not just have it be that in-universe that Revy did in fact spend some of her off time working on the armor to get to the final stage? If it's her personal project it would make sense for her to work on it on her off time but in-story it could be that the reason she didn't spend more time on it was that she was just so busy with things like flawless blackboxing and building up her company.

Basically something like Revy suddenly going "Finally! After all these years of using my personal time I have finally completed the Final Stage of Power Armor! I am now Iron Man!"

Pretty much just say that Revy unlocked it in story just now due to her doing it on her own time rather than officially. You can even still get rid of Mark 3 by saying that Revy does have it but it's for her own personal use because it's just impractical to make Mark 3s due to how much work and maintainance goes into them along with Revy always wanting to feel in control and safe so of course she keeps the only Mark 3s for her own use.
 
wait so @Red Bovine so do you intend for the MKII project to be for everyone or just Revy? Cause it sounds like you intend for this project to create MKII armor for mass production like the legionary armor.
 
tri2 said:
wait so @Red Bovine so do you intend for the MKII project to be for everyone or just Revy? Cause it sounds like you intend for this project to create MKII armor for mass production like the legionary armor.
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I assumed that when you say you were considering just giving us the armor that we would be getting a mass producible version. After all many people did literally spend years to get the Mark 2 armor researched, with some even writing numerous omakes to spend on it, which would naturally come with mass production. Though as mentioned it seems like MK2s would be far more limited and reserved for Elites. Which seems to especially work for the MCU in quality considering that even Tony seemed to have limited himself to just dozens of the suits with most of them being specialized towards certain thing like the comic version. So by mass producible less 'everyone can get one' and more 'restricted to the elites'

Honestly I assumed you'd throwing in being able to add new tech to Power Armor was meant for all of them since it was noted that one major advantage for Mark 2s is that they are designed to be able to add more tech.

Though yeah, I assumed that you were talking about a mass produced version along with Revy her own top of the line personal armor being a compromise for getting rid of Mark 3s and general armor mods to end the armor debate.
 
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Red Bovine said:
I assumed that when you say you were considering just giving us the armor that we would be getting a mass producible version. After all many people did literally spend years to get the Mark 2 armor researched, with some even writing numerous omakes to spend on it, which would naturally come with mass production. Though as mentioned it seems like MK2s would be far more limited and reserved for Elites. Which seems to especially work for the MCU in quality considering that even Tony seemed to have limited himself to just dozens of the suits with most of them being specialized towards certain thing like the comic version. So by mass producible less 'everyone can get one' and more 'restricted to the elites'

Honestly I assumed you'd throwing in being able to add new tech to Power Armor was meant for all of them since it was noted that one major advantage for Mark 2s is that they are designed to be able to add more tech.

Though yeah, I assumed that you were talking about a mass produced version along with Revy her own top of the line personal armor being a compromise for getting rid of Mark 3s and general armor mods to end the armor debate.
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hmmm was mostly considering just be Shepard's personal armor, cause ya know assumed this V to be the opinion about it.
Katsuragi said:
Mass produced Mark 2s? Not a fan.
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tri2 said:
hmmm was mostly considering just be Shepard's personal armor, cause ya know assumed this V to be the opinion about it.
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I mean we have literally spent years debating getting the armor and one of the things coming up in discussion IIRC when it came to the original armor was that it didn't make sense for us to keep it to just Revy since Revy doesn't really do much or is even a front line liner unless forced to which is rare. Maybe some people felt like that but in general pretty sure that they were going for something beyond restricted to one person.
 
Revy's personal armor is the one that auto-updates, armor we sell has to be designed and manufactured like anything else.

And before either of those things can happen we have to do the research.

Can we please move on?
 
Red Bovine said:
I mean we have literally spent years debating getting the armor and one of the things coming up in discussion IIRC when it came to the original armor was that it didn't make sense for us to keep it to just Revy since Revy doesn't really do much or is even a front line liner unless forced to which is rare. Maybe some people felt like that but in general pretty sure that they were going for something beyond restricted to one person.
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ok gonna need to do a survey here.

For all you OG fans of this quest, in regards to the MK II power armor project, were you thinking it was for mass producing MKII armor like the legionary, or were you thinking it was for making MK II personal armor for Revy? Or Both?
 
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w34v3r said:
Revy's personal armor is the one that auto-updates, armor we sell has to be designed and manufactured like anything else.

And before either of those things can happen we have to do the research.

Can we please move on?
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As an explanation, as in no offense but am assuming you didn't read through the literal hundreds of pages of discussions of the previous quests, but I'm pretty sure Tri just giving us the Mark 2 series but removing all armor upgrades and just having Revy automatically have the best armor for herself is meant for us to finally move on from the armor discussions after years of debate.
 
tri2 said:
ok gonna need to do a survey here.

For all you OG fans of this quest, in regards to the MK II power armor project, were you thinking it was for mass producing MKII armor like the legionary, or were you thinking it was for making MK II personal armor for Revy? Or Both?
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I considered it for both, in that we'd create an Export/ParSec model, and Revy's customized model.
 
Red Bovine said:
As an explanation, as in no offense but am assuming you didn't read through the literal hundreds of pages of discussions of the previous quests, but I'm pretty sure Tri just giving us the Mark 2 series but removing all armor upgrades and just having Revy automatically have the best armor for herself is meant for us to finally move on from the armor discussions after years of debate.
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Well nice of you to have that debate but it should be put up to a vote. Minds could have changed due to new info and mechanics. This shouldn't be hasty just because your being vocal about it.

I'll vote no considerimg the Mk1 is good enough and any tech advances won't do anything to the reapers considering they'll likely adopt the tech too. Your only really increasing the amount of damage a war would cause.
 
If there's gonna be any freebie here at all, I'd prefer it if we stuck to just Revy having the best of the best and anything we're giving out otherwise needs to be researched and designed via the system.
 
was already planning on unit design options for research tech already completed, since I noticed that there was for example no option to create another vehicle in the same class as the Tiger after the first time. Will look something like this.

Unit Design
[] Space
-[] frigate
--[] write in tech used/proposed design
-[] LC
-[] etc
[] ground
-[] vehicle
--[] light
--[] medium
--[] heavy
-[] people
--[] write in tech used/proposed design
[] air
-[] fighter
-[] bomber
-[] transport

etc etc
 
Darkcore41 said:
I'll vote no considerimg the Mk1 is good enough and any tech advances won't do anything to the reapers considering they'll likely adopt the tech too. Your only really increasing the amount of damage a war would cause.
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I swear it really feels like you just want to be contrarian about everything. By that logic any tech is an issue because that exact argument can apply to literally every single tech which means by that same logic we might as well get everything basic and assume the Reapers have nothing beyond that.

Darkcore41 said:
Well nice of you to have that debate but it should be put up to a vote. Minds could have changed due to new info and mechanics. This shouldn't be hasty just because your being vocal about it.
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Oh for gods sake, we have literally been arguing about this for literally years! As in over the entire quest that has spanned multiple threads and sparked pages upon pages of debate. I'm pretty sure that Tri wanted to just have no more marks then just give us the armor to finally put the debate to end.
 
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tri2 said:
ok gonna need to do a survey here.

For all you OG fans of this quest, in regards to the MK II power armor project, were you thinking it was for mass producing MKII armor like the legionary, or were you thinking it was for making MK II personal armor for Revy? Or Both?
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Both. Totally both. It makes sense though that Revy's Mark II would still be better than the mass-produced models.

Think bog standard stuff made by low level Tech-Priests vs Master-Crafted gear personally designed by an Arch-Magos or Primarch. Thats the scale of difference between the two.
 
Red Bovine said:
I swear it really feels like you just want to be contrarian about everything. By that logic any tech is an issue because that exact argument can apply to literally every single tech which means by that same logic we might as well get everything basic and assume the Reapers have nothing beyond that.


Oh for gods sake, we have literally been arguing about this for literally years! As in literally years over the entire quest that has spanned freaking threads. I'm pretty sure that Tri wanted to just have no more marks then just give us the armor to finally put the debate to end.
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Making assumptions for everyone again. Really a bad habit when it's as simple as leaving it as a vote. If I remember correctly a few pages back QM figured we wouldn't want to release a mark 2 due to mark one being good enough.

Secondly we just in story released a bunch of weapons that would be invalidated by the invention of another mark. On top of that there is absolutely no reason to release the other marks considering everyone else is still catching up. There isn't anything really matching it or requiring another mark. Even the reapers are playing tech catch up. If you actually read they bootlegged Revy's tech because they don't have anything beyond it in that field. Better to focus on another field then release something that won't matter due to Revy already topping them.

Look at the biotic that bursted in Revy's lab and attempted to steal. It was just using Revy's stuff combined with a field we didn't invest much in. Mass effect fields so instead of handing them something they can't top invest that time into topping fields they are ahead of us in.

There is no IC reason to release it and no OOC reason. If we release that then we might as well release the new energy source because it's being held back for the same reason. We shouldn't Opera and hope there won't be consequences.

Edit: Think about like this, Reapers don't have a limit to adopting the tech we do. SA can't afford to outfit everyone, not could they justify and keep that kind of military build up. Everyone else is limited by borders and the slow trickle of Arc reactors. Cerberus probably won't have as much of a problem as SA due to being in the shadows. So if anyyhing this empowers the Reapers more then anyone else.
 
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