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Shepard Quest Mk VII, Age of Revy (ME/MCU)

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UberJJK said:
So I was wondering about this; does Paragon Industries actually own all those GARDIAN towers and MA towers we built? Because 20 billion in towers is honestly nothing. Seriously a single LLP costs more (19.7 billion credits but we're also dumping 122,355.620 Production we could otherwise sell for a minimum of 31.8 billion so the opportunity cost is more like 51.5 billion) and is far more threatening considering it's capabilities. Oh and we already own five of them.

In fact it was literally just last quarter we helped over throw a government. Yeah there were major rebel forces and canonically they would have succeeded on their own but ParSec was a major player there. Seriously we deployed in 2174-Q2 ( 6th​ of April) and the war was over by the start of 2174-Q3 (presumably late June early July) with our forces only sticking around for the cleanup.

Dropping 20 billion on defensive towers on planets Paragon Industries has a heavy investment on is nothing compared to that. It gets even less important when you consider it was in response to the surprise attack by a Dreadnought and accompanying fleet on our HQ which in turn was part of the opening act of open warfare with the Batarian Hegemony. An opening attack mind you in which the Batarians demonstrated the ability to bypass Relay chokepoints so no where is safe.


Anyways getting back to my origonal point; do we actually own all those towers? I thought we'd be donating them to the local governments given the legal restrictions involved.
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oh right forgot to address this, think of it more like this way. You are the president of the USA and you are told that say a brand new town (very low population relatively (350K), with the only thing of true value being a tech companies manufacturing plant when there are 4 other plants in other locations) in the middle of the pacific got raided by pirates and need defenses, would you divert 20 BILLION of the country's money to fortifying essentially the back end of nowhere when you are still stretched thin protecting the states against another country's army and other pirates?

And yes for now you own the towers as it is your money paying for them.

edit: remember how in mass effect 2 the SA gave the colony the collectors were about to attack only ONE turret and that was only because they needed an excuse to stay to wait for shepard?
 
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Darkcore41 said:
I meant what we sell to others like the military. How is that decided?
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right now only what is formally voted on/designed, so legionary suits are not constantly upgraded. So yes there will be 'Mark 2's' so to speak that will be developed whenever you guys get around to voting on it. Though unlikely for now since Pilums are a SA only weapon for now so the current power armors are sufficient offensive and defensive wise.
 
Thule said:
better to sell them and let them pay for them over a long time
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Probably better to donate them, if only to generate goodwill and PR. Alliance colonies are notoriously underdeveloped compared to what standard colonies should be so they would probably not be flush with credits.

Either way, they will do their purpose which is to keep the planets safe.
 
Darkcore41 said:
Are you trying to scare the government more then we did this turn? Just from arming the colonies we got them scared. What do you think would happen with an energy source that can be busted out this easily and used to outclass any weapon on the market. That would have the government pee itself with fear.
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So is spending 20 billion on defenses. Offering the SA veto power of full mk3 switchover would be a peace offering. "We could spam arc reactors, but we are giving you the ability to say when you break out the big guns."
 
I wouldn't be opposed to donating the defenses to local government and paying some of the upkeep, or arranging for very long term installments at a discount.

Or for that matter, telling Hackett and co that we're only playing around with the III for personal projects and won't put it into production unless the government ever gives the go ahead, due to how destabilizing it could be, please don't spread it around.
 
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next update will be start of 2174-Q4 Turn 20

will be in 2 weeks maybe 3.

mainly due to how big the tech tree is going to get with new projects. If you want to help, just see what projects you have unlocked and help me write the fluff piece for it. Also if you have any ideas for new research projects feel free to post with fluff included or not if you cannot think of any fluff. That will help accelerate the update.

Meanwhile will be working on my own story update as I had put that on hold for several months now to make sure this got out as soon as I could.
 
Darkcore41 said:
Can we vote on what we don't wish to include later. Like if we decided to research nanotech for example. I know we have it for this vote, just checking if it'll be for every broken tech.
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How many times does it need to be said that nanotech isn't anywhere near as dangerous as many people make it out to be? For Pete's sake MCU's Ironman and the nation of Wakanda both use nano tech without issue.
 
Mossconfig said:
So is spending 20 billion on defenses. Offering the SA veto power of full mk3 switchover would be a peace offering. "We could spam arc reactors, but we are giving you the ability to say when you break out the big guns."
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I think I addressed that as being folly. Two back to back scares make no sense. Also how is this a peace offering? It doesn't really give them a day on anything. Plus any info given to SA will fall into cerebus hands just like the Magi implants.

Edit: @Red Bovine I know at this point I should ignore you but let me make it clear I never said anything about it being grey goo dangerous. The MCU suit is something unnecessary for the military when it was just said this version of the suit is enough for the military. So can you not harp on points I haven't made.

Not to mention I listed it as an example of OP tech that shouldn't be mass produced like the MK 3.
 
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tri2 said:
next update will be start of 2174-Q4 Turn 20

will be in 2 weeks maybe 3.

mainly due to how big the tech tree is going to get with new projects. If you want to help, just see what projects you have unlocked and help me write the fluff piece for it. Also if you have any ideas for new research projects feel free to post with fluff included or not if you cannot think of any fluff. That will help accelerate the update.

Meanwhile will be working on my own story update as I had put that on hold for several months now to make sure this got out as soon as I could.
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Dark as Silver said:
Could you slap down a list of projects you need descriptions for?
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This is a good idea.

Also, I'd suggest thinking about any ways in which the writing overhead can be kept down to a minimum for your sanity and the sake of regular updates. While lavish descriptions are nice, they aren't really necessary and may not be sustainable. A sentence or two for most options is probably fine, and might well have a verisimilitude advantage since the methods and outcomes of prospective projects are only guesses at what actual research would bring.
 
tri2 said:
no more mk's just the best you can make.
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Seems a bit unfair considering all the work people put in for writing omakes and all the time and energy spent trying to push for it from many players. As a compromise how about having it so that in story Levi makes one final 'official' version with the M2 armor with all future versions only being able to be improved by unlocking more tech?
 
tri2 said:
next update will be start of 2174-Q4 Turn 20

will be in 2 weeks maybe 3.
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Great. Curiously, will we get an update regarding the current war situation? Maybe an interlude focusing on certain characters in the Alliance Military? Curiously, has anyone given thoughts on how the rise of PI might impact certain characters. Ashley Williams' grandfather is now an important affiliate of PI and Revy's "ex-boyfriend" is in the Systems Alliance Navy.
 
Red Bovine said:
Seems a bit unfair considering all the work people put in for writing omakes and all the time and energy spent trying to push for it from many players. As a compromise how about having it so that in story Levi makes one final 'official' version with the M2 armor with all future versions only being able to be improved by unlocking more tech?
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hmmmmmm, let me ask everyone else for their opinion.

What do you guys think about this?
 
I mean, if we ever need a suit we can just have a vote on what Revy has incorporated into her emergency suit.

Or we could have a bunch of special suits on standby like the bunker in IM 3, and whenever we leave the planet we vote on like 3 maximum to take with us.
 
It does seem a bit weird that the years of struggles and butting heads over various factions and trying to fit armor developments/upgrades into progress were just handwaved as "Now Revy just auto has the best suit possible."
 
Dark as Silver said:
Could you slap down a list of projects you need descriptions for?
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here is all that I got just off the top of my head, this is all stuff to be ADDED to the current tech project list you saw in the first update.
Computing
Basic Hacking VI
Basic Diplomacy/Legal Assistance VI
Improved Computer Software
Adv Elec Warfare VI
Advs Security VI
Adv Research VI
Basic Combat Analysis VI
Basic Construction VI

Other
Artificial Biotic Caster
Thermal Shields for power armor (re-entry shroud)
Improved Hardsuits
Improved Kinetic Shield
Construction Drones (Basic construction VI must be completed before can be used)
Partial Factory Automation

Biotech
Human Converted Gene Treatments (Turians)
Human Converted Gene Treatments (Asari)
Human Converted Gene Treatments (Salarians)
Human Converted Gene Treatments (Elcor)
Human Converted Gene Treatments (Volus)
Human Converted Gene Treatments (Quarians)
Human Converted Gene Treatments (Batarians)
Human Converted Gene Treatments (Vorcha)
Human Converted Gene Treatments (Krogans)
Human Converted Gene Treatments (Hanar)
Human Converted Gene Treatments (Drell)

Mordin Solus
Brain Shield MK II

Vehicle
Heavy Armor
Mammoth Tanks (requires Heavy Armor)

Mass Effect Theory
Ultra-Compact Core Design (next tech for multi-core eezo drive)
Eezo Production

Mass Accelerator Weapons
Advanced Vehicle Scale Weapon Mods
Improved Mass Effect Guns (general upgrade of all normal mass effect guns)

Starships
Heavy Cruisers
Adv Aerospace (Fighters)
Darkcore41 said:
How would it work if you changed it? Would we have to spend actions or vote in between turns? Also what would happen if a sudden attack turn starts like the break in?
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Parzival95 said:
I mean, if we ever need a suit we can just have a vote on what Revy has incorporated into her emergency suit.

Or we could have a bunch of special suits on standby like the bunker in IM 3, and whenever we leave the planet we vote on like 3 maximum to take with us.
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Katsuragi said:
It does seem a bit weird that the years of struggles and butting heads over various factions and trying to fit armor developments/upgrades into progress were just handwaved as "Now Revy just auto has the best suit possible."
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To address Katsuragi first, its because made no sense to me as an author that someone of Revy's personality would just allow her own personal baby to languish behind her other projects when she could just add and improve it on her own time as the new tech got developed. Once the new tech was completed Revy would 'only' have to do the work required to scale it down or integrate it to her own suit. Or if need be make a brand new suit that would fit it in.

So right now to be fair I am addressing everyone on how to deal with this person suit issue as I acknowledge the amount of work people have been putting into making the MK II's possible and completed instead of just just saying "This is how it is going to be and that's final nya."

So please feel free to speak your mind on how you think this should go.
 
As long as we get the best suit needed during combat turns it doesn't really matter to me.

Let us hold the treatments from the Turians and the Asari. They wish to limit Revy's tech for greed then we will withhold there treatments.
 
Darkcore41 said:
As long as we get the best suit needed during combat turns it doesn't really matter to me.

Let us hold the treatments from the Turians and the Asari. They wish to limit Revy's tech for greed then we will withhold there treatments.
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That seems incredibly petty.
As unfortunate as it is, there are good reason to limit weapons tech like that. If we want to have the limits lifted, then we should throw more money at Liara so that we can find actual proof to give us an in universe justification.
 
CyberEnby said:
That seems incredibly petty.
As unfortunate as it is, there are good reason to limit weapons tech like that. If we want to have the limits lifted, then we should throw more money at Liara so that we can find actual proof to give us an in universe justification.
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The Asari are doing it to keep their tech domination and the Turians are doing it off of Greed. Didn't they steal the new power generation from the messages Revy had with the archeologist? Plus they attempted to send spectors to look for a beacon out of Jealousy.

edit: This is politics, the reason why they can get away with their multiple attempts to limit humans is simply leverage. We have none due to giving most things out. In this case giving this stuff out will have some human backlash. Why take the backlash while helping them if they are doing stuff like this multiple times.
 
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