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Shepard Quest Mk VII, Age of Revy (ME/MCU)
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I watched this video some time ago, and it didn't impress me.
Essentially, the video goes :
1. Imagine an evil dragon is eating people
2. Do you want to kill this dragon? Yes
3. Actually, the dragon was a metaphor for aging. QED
It doesn't engage with any of the arguments surrounding the debate at all. It just goes Nuh Uh, Dragon.
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Look at the Asari and how their whole society stagnates due to their long lives. While the Salarians invent quickly due to their short ones. On top of that the genophage was created due to Krogans multiply too quickly and taking up resources. That and their warfare problem. Now make everyone imortal and that same problem happens over decades. Unless we can create resources ex-nihlo immortality isn't sustainable.
I'm betting without the dragon the kingdom overpopulated needing more resources. Destroyed more nature for space and resources and each individual person got less care because of a lacking budget.
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Tweak it so that neuroplasticity is set to something like early to mid twenties. There, people will diverge significantly over time instead of stagnating.
Overpopulation is a laughable concern given how little of the galaxy is settled in ME, especially with Revy introducing MCU tech.
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There's always the VR upload solution, like those aliens that lost their world. I think the quarians also did that before the Morning War I think, upload minds to live in a virtual world.
But I think immortality would be manageable long term with appropriate social change and especially with more Stark tech advancement. The III reactors for instance. Also yes, keeping people mentally young so they can adapt.
But I think immortality would be manageable long term with appropriate social change and especially with more Stark tech advancement. The III reactors for instance. Also yes, keeping people mentally young so they can adapt.
Yet the genophage was the Salarian's answer to it when it came to the krogan. Plus I think it was said in an interlude that most of the outer colonies don't produce that much in resources. It was earth producing the lion's share and is why it's more expensive to produce in the colonies.
That's not really the immortality I'm talking about. I'm talking about biological immortality.
Plus if we did the VR or extremis then that would be what the Reapers want. The whole man-machine combo at the end of ME 3. I don't want them to get what they want.
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I mean....you can't really say making people immortal from anti aging is bad considering you have Asari around with presumably human long reproduction time. I mean for all practical predictive models, they are immortal.
edit: honestly genophage wouldn't have been that bad if the Salarian went back to change it so it removed the give birth to fucking stillborns, and just set it to reduce fertility rate.
edit: honestly genophage wouldn't have been that bad if the Salarian went back to change it so it removed the give birth to fucking stillborns, and just set it to reduce fertility rate.
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Not to mention the Krogan, who seem to actually be immortal unless killed. Wrex was there for the Krogan Rebellions.
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So? I don't see what any of this has to do with overpopulation?
That the colonies don't product as much is because they're not as densely populated and thus lack the infrastructure for it?
The genophage happened because the Krogan uplift project failed to take into account sociopolitical considerations, and created a society that knew only how to conquer and fight.
I didn't think Asari had human reproductive abilities. They didn't seem like they had more numbers then everyone else.
Edit: @CyberEnby part of the reason why they wared was for more space an resources for their multiple children. It's why the genophage had to be implemented. The colonies don't produce as much as seen by that omake with Obidah Stand because their dried up not because of Pop. I think Revy was thinking about mining astroids but that didn't materialize.
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except that would not happen to asari considering only the maidens put themselves into danger while all the older ones take up sedentary lifestyles and as such numbers grow over time. Hence places like Illium.
honestly, krogan genophage issue is just more of a case of salarians not going back and finishing the uplift job, surprisingly short sighted for a supposedly logical race with long term predictive models.
no need for sex, literal just mind meld then produce a new baby in roughly nine months. theoretically could just mind meld with animals or each other.
What the shit? You don't withhold medical treatments from people because their government is moderately obstructionist. That's cartoonishly evil.
It's a rebuttal to the idea that maybe death isn't so bad; every argument given by the "pro dragon" side is exactly the same as arguments in favour of death. No joking, I've seen literally every one of those arguments used against me when I say that immortality would be pretty sweet.
The rebuttal is of course death is bad, it brings incredible sorrow to literally everyone. It's ludicrous to argue that death is a good thing when it brings this much pain; it's a species wide Stockholm Syndrome because we (currently) can't do anything about it.
CGPGrey weakened the argument by changing the "dragon" to aging instead of death, but it's still valid. Of course we should do everything in our power to slay death and decrepitude; these are manifestly negative things.
In real life nobody alive today will likely see the end of death or aging, more's the pity. In this story, however, we've basically solved the latter issue. It would be beyond monstrous to restrict it for any reason - I'd argue in favour of giving it to the fucking Batarians, and they're racist slavers at war with us! I mean, they're assholes so they go to the end of the line, but they're still in line.
Well I guess IRL pharmaceutical companies are cartoon evil then.
I mean, yes. Yes they are.
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And that's the problem. The video is essentially the equivalent of a political cartoon. It does not engage with any of the arguments, it just draws a mean picture of them.
IIRC, the video's complete solution for the profound social disruption that killing the dragon would cause is "we should get reorganizing then". And that is just not an honest argument.
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No that's definitely true. But anyway, I'm not worried about any of this. It's beyond the scope of the quest to worry about even a 100 years from now. Sure, Revy could well still be young, but our priority is the Reapers (and doing cool Stark shit). I'm done for it just because and if gives humanity mad cred to get on the council I'm all for it.
How do they not rule the universe then? They can easily replenish their numbers from any war. Have more advanced tech then everyone else and have the best intelligence gathering agencies.
If I remember correctly they created the og shadow broker. So how are they roughly equal to two other races?
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mainly because of stigma/genetic defect of mating with other asari producing essentially biotic vampires, and that older asari tend not to reproduce as much due to societal pressures or lack of it. only maidens are more sexually active you could say and even then they can choose whether or not they get pregnant during the melds IIRC
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I have to say that if we really want to go full PR Saint mode we should probably research the treatments for all spacefaring races, keep it under wraps until we have all of them and then release all of them at the same time.
That way we would also increase tremendously our reputation among the Volus, Elcor, and the rest of the races without a seat in the Council, because we release the treatments at the same time as the BIG 3 and we did not treat them as second class citizens.
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So basically if we do immortality then to make it stable we'll have to impose cultural/lawful limits. Like you can only have two children every hundred years. It's either that or invest more people into the military to keep down numbers.
Maybe do our best at exploring new galaxy's to fill the resource gap. Are you thinking of doing a time skip or will the effects of this decision not matter within the scope of the quest?
l just want to share this
Mass Effect: Estimated Galactic population (Warning: Math)(<%201%20million)
to break it down someone done the maths for the council races population count and he came up with 80,000 colonies and 17 trillion population....just wanted to share
edit- so they have great reason to be understaffed when comes to navy
Mass Effect: Estimated Galactic population (Warning: Math)(<%201%20million)
to break it down someone done the maths for the council races population count and he came up with 80,000 colonies and 17 trillion population....just wanted to share
edit- so they have great reason to be understaffed when comes to navy
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Give the treatments for Asari and Terians to Say and have them use it for the betterment of the human race. I'm pretty sure they can buy their way in to the council using it.
Also severally doubt we'd be able to bypass them with this. Well need them to give their stamp of approval and to get permission from other governments. We had it easy on the human side with that non profit company.
Also severally doubt we'd be able to bypass them with this. Well need them to give their stamp of approval and to get permission from other governments. We had it easy on the human side with that non profit company.