Shepard Quest Mk VII, Age of Revy (ME/MCU)
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If anything is going to get us a Council Seat it will be a bribe to make humanity "please stop kicking the status quo, now you have to deal with the trouble too."
I never said we were. When I mentioned that I didn't remember Brian, that wasn't an attack on him*; I was saying that, since I don't remember the 'dating Brian' content, I can't judge for myself whether Revy's relationship with him was farther along than that with Liara, so I'd have to take @tri2's word for it for now. At some point I need to find time for a reread...
* Well, it wasn't an attack on him that time. My previous post about not remembering him, that was an attack. Sure, I'm not Revy and my failure to remember him doesn't mean she wouldn't, but if I can't remember anything about him even when reminded, he obviously wasn't a very impactful or interesting character, and I am disinclined to bring him back into relevance.
Let me be clear: I am not opposed to researching Lazarus. I'm not even opposed to Revy being inspired to research it due to the death of her friend. I am opposed to the idea that her ex-boyfriend, whom she has not communicated with or even, AFAICT, thought about for over a year, is so important to Revy that she would ensure his body is preserved while she performs a crash research program to bring him back.
I, as a voter, am also not interested in performing a grand romantic gesture - and it doesn't get much more romantic than 'I brought you back from the dead' - for a character I have so very little interest in seeing Revy date. Even if we don't go for Liara, surely we can find someone who isn't so forgettable.
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For Pete's sake, this isn't about romantic stuff. This is about helping someone Revy herself was close to. I literally just pointed out that she would definitely do it for any of her close friends if they died and the QM outright confirmed it. Like seriously, how hard is it to get that it doesn't need to be romantic in nature? Especially with other questers repeatedly pointing this out?
Like if Mordin died I seriously doubt that people would be bringing up romance when people suggested using the project to bring him back.
And as pointed out the main reason to get it is in case anyone else close to us die. Because I can totally see Revy going: "Holy shit! I really need to work on the rezzing tech now that someone close to me has died! Especially with the numerous attacks on me and my home over the years!"
I find it freaking ridiculous at the idea of not getting rez tech solely because of one guy despite how sought after something like that is in numerous quests and how often Revy is in danger. It's also pretty ridiculous for Revy to not take any preparations to preserve his body to ensure that he could be brought back since I could totally see her doing it for anyone close to her or even people she knew. It would be pretty fucked up considering it would be the equivalent of knowing you could one day cure cancer soon and letting someone you know when you have the capability to cure it.
For Revy I can totally see her seeing something like death as merely a medical condition that can be cured. And as others have pointed out there are numerous other reasons to want to do the project with one being it being seen as awesome to flip off death.
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No it hasn't. I have no idea why people keep making it out to be romantic. Like I would actually prefer Revy stay single and just focus on science and doing cool shit. It's just a few people that keep making it romantic.
I swear this is the exact reason that shipping can suck and tends to ruin quests. Because god forbid we just be close friends with people.
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its is the only thing that makes the anti-shippers have a chance. They'll side with us before siding with other ships.
The only weakness of the anti-romance is when Qm does a yes or no romance vote. Because they shippers team up for yes. Then tear eachother apart when voting on who.
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So what did we need for him to survive a nat 100?
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no, first roll was him, second roll was for you to see if you got your own d100 roll to try to save him.
first roll he just had to roll under the d90 I set to survive, but as war goes, he was just unlucky.
luckily he died on the ground and not in space or else no chance to rez
If you think rezzing Brian won't result in him instantly becoming a serious contender for shipping, I have a bridge to sell you.
As I said in my last post, I have no objection to Revy being inspired to develop Lazarus tech in response to Brian's death. However, that alone will not allow us to save Brian. We don't have Lazarus tech. We haven't even theorized it - it's not on the research list. By the time we finish developing it, his body will have been either cremated or embalmed and buried for months.
In order to save Brian, Revy would have to immediately demand that his body be preserved on ice, on the grounds that she might be able to develop the tech to resurrect him. This massively changes the context of the act. This isn't a matter of 'Of course I saved you; we're friends'. This is 'I couldn't bear to let you go and I moved heaven and Earth to make sure I didn't have to'.
If we already had the tech? Or even had it in development? I'd have no objection to offering Brian's family the option at our expense. But the measures required to save him from this point are a) far beyond the degree of concern that I think is reasonable for Revy to have for an ex she hasn't thought of for a year, and b) implies a level of attachment which will inevitably result in him becoming a shipping contender.
Yes which is why I asked if he needed a nat 100 to survive. That says rather negative things about how our side does on this coming fight if a nat 100 is required to survive....
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no, he needed to roll UNDER 90 to live. man then goes up and roll 90+
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By that logic everyone we rez would be a love interest. Would Mordin be one if he died? Would Conrad? Would random person #1002994 who went through the Lazarus project be a love interest?
Revy is literally someone who said she plans to live forever. As the QM themselves noted she would definitely share the tech with others since that is just how she rolls. Hell, I'm suggesting we push it now since as noted it does make sense to have a backup not just for us but Revy as well considering all the danger she is in and the implied constant assassination attempts that are happening in the background.
And for Revy it isn't a might, it is a will since Revy can do damn near everything and is confident she could do it. Asking that a close friend be put into the equivalent of stasis when you know you can come up with something to cure them is just not being an asshole. Because if Revy not only knows she can fix something but doesn't do shit to prevent someone close to her dying by doing the most basic thing it's not only a dick move but something I can't see her doing since I imagine that it's something she's terrified she'd regret the rest of her life.
Revy: "Also should really see about having my recently dead friends body preserved since I am planning on making this tech anyway. Would be a pretty colossal dick move not to take this into account."
No, not everyone would be a love interest.
- We'd be preserving his body specifically for resurrection without already having the tech to do it
- We'd be developing that tech specifically to rez him in particular
As a reader, I feel it would be out-of-character for Revy to take the extreme action required to successfully rez him - he's just not that important to her at this point; as a player, I'm not interested in voting for a course of action that has the obvious and predictable consequence of bringing a character I do not care about or find interesting back in as a romance option.
If we already had the tech? I'd have no objections, on either count. If it was someone that was really that important to Revy (e.g. her parents, her sister, hell, maybe even Brian back when they were actively dating)? I'd have no objections, on either count. If it were someone who wasn't a romance option (e.g. Mordin) or that I liked as a romance option (e.g. Liara)? I'd have no objections as a voter, though I might have to be convinced it wasn't OOC.
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Man, this is why I hate shipping so much. It feels that the real reason that many people are against rezzing Brian is obviously because it feels like they are threatened by Brian as a love interest. This despite the fact that not only have people that outright suggested his Resurrection didn't bring up having a romance as a reason for doing and some even expressed having no interest whatsoever in restarting a romance with some of us not even wanting anymore romance in general.
It's not remotely helping your guys case since some questers keep ignoring all the other points people have been bringing up. Biggest one being that we are extremely likely to do the project anyway. Especially since Revy plans to live forever which would mean she would get to it at some point. I mean we have already literally spent ages talking about how we plan to do the anti aging project already. Resurrection tech just makes sense, especially since again Revy and the people around experience life threatening situations periodically.
It comes across as EXTREMELY biased that on of the main reasons that people are against Brian getting rezzed is solely because they don't like him. Which is obviously biased considering that Revy herself would have different feelings. Hell, if I was Revy I'd offer the same for people that I knew in High School that I was close to even if I haven't talked to them in years.
And no, it's not really that extreme an action to rez him considering that the QM themselves noted that she'd offer it to the public. And again there are numerous reasons for us to want to research the tech with the main reason that recent events shown that people close to us can die and so would just be extremely practical to have such tech.
And if we do plan to have such tech it makes no sense for Revy to not to try to preserve Brian's body since it wouldn't really take much effort on Revy's part considering that this is a person who not only runs a mega corporation but is a super scientist that also does numerous things on the side. Especially since she'd do the same for others close to her. Hell I could easily see her doing it for the science heroes that work for her instead of just Mordin.
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but it WAS the batarians?
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Sad to hear but not surprising considering the war. Though now that I think about it seems like a good idea to bring up to the military that we may be able to resurrect people in the future if their bodies are recovered. Saying it now since we are at war at the moment and would save a lot of people that would have died for good in the war.
honestly, as long as its a hey, Freeze intact bodies if you can. I got a solid theory that I need to do testing on that should be able to bring them back to life as long as you keep the bodies in good condition. Then for the project we mono rush it down but we do put 800 a turn on it completing it in 4 turns. (a year). I would be fine with infroming people of it. because I dont want to promise to have it done in a quarter. instead its a hey, Keep bodies preserved when your able because I'm working on stuff that will help with that.
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Now that you mention it didn't Omni tools have cyro tech in them? Might want to have Mordin finish his Omni tool upgrade this coming turn then. That way it may be a lot easier for soldiers to save their comrades with impromptu freezing for rezzing later. More so if Mordin's version takes into account a more medically friendly version of freezing.
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Speaking of preserving bodies can't help but remember the Rescue model of the Iron Man armor meant for search and rescue. Thinking it might be a good idea to look into designing a model meant for not just search and rescue but field medical work as well. Would seem especially useful for having on space ships in case the army needs to collect bodies jettisoned/sucked into space during naval battles.
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As I have stated explicitly multiple times, I feel Revy going to the required lengths to rez him would be out of character. That has nothing to do with shipping. Yes, I also dislike him as a romance option, but that does not devalue my other argument.
Do you even fucking read my posts? Let me see if bigger letters helps: I. AM. NOT. OPPOSED. TO. RESEARCHING. LAZARUS. It does, in fact, make perfect sense to research it. I just don't think that saving Brian is reasonable.
Oh no you fucking don't. You yourself said less than one damn page ago:
The players are not the characters. 'I don't want the Quest to proceed this direction' is a perfectly valid reason for voting against something.
If disposal of his body were under our control it wouldn't take much effort. It's not. Going up to his parents and saying 'hey do you mind not actually burying your son for a year or two? I think I might be able to bring him back to life eventually' is not the sort of thing one does casually.
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Dude, you need to calm down and stop being so hostile.
Not if it's out of character for the person we are playing. Which is the argument I am making. Heck, I'd advocate the same course of action even if I didn't like Brian because it seems like it would be in character Revy. And it says a lot that you don't dispute that Revy would totally be fine with preserving say the guys working for us if they died.
Dude, me and several other questers were literally just talking about going to the army and asking them to preserve the bodies of dead soldiers because it just occurred to us to do so. And this was before the QM said that Brian hadn't died yet. Because as you yourself said:
So you yourself admitted that it makes sense for us to research it. Which means it makes sense for us to suggest to the army literally going to war where people are likely to die and ask them to preserve dead soldiers bodies so that we may potentially rez them, because otherwise they'd die for good, because it just makes sense if we plan on doing the Lazarus project some time in the future and we do have good reasons to do it.
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