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Shepard Quest Mk VII, Age of Revy (ME/MCU)
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QMs bias is showing.
I wonder if those dice where fudged to remove a competitor of SCIENCE
I wonder if those dice where fudged to remove a competitor of SCIENCE
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Fianly can get around to this.
As for the Liara long distance part... I guess lets see what happens. I don't really have much of any opinion on it.
Yes it was really just a year, that's not long at all for Shep. Though I won't deny that he had at least some impact on her life in the brief time they were together. But to the point that she would implement something as drastic and morally questionable as the Lazarus project on him. No, not even remotely would she do that, and at this point she wouldn't even do so with Liara or anybody else. Besides probably her parents, Jack & Kasumi.
As for the Liara long distance part... I guess lets see what happens. I don't really have much of any opinion on it.
Okay this parts confusing me. Is this supposed to refute my point, because it's not really refuting the whole Liara being more important than Brian part. Like even if you believe I'm overstating her importance, what you put down here still makes her more important than Brian ever was.
And is that even the case now? Cause I don't really see how past background intentions really matter here if they never came to fruition. And game Shep was a big deal only after she did something to make her a big deal. Brian has done nothing of note that would make him a big deal.
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The point is that Brian has tons of potential, like canon Shepard, due to being the quest equivalent of Shepard.
I have to call bullshit there. You just can't say that we shouldn't use it on Brian while also saying that she would only use it on her parents or Jack and Kasumi. I also don't view the project as morally questionable, it's just a more advanced form of medical revival available to us. Hell, Shepard noted that she planned to live forever and believes she has the capabilities to make that happen.
Besides, if we are making the tech as a result of someone close to Shepard dying then it makes sense to have the tech before someone else close to Shepard dies. Which isn't unbelievable considering all the times Revy has been attacked before along with said attacks escalating. And if do complete the tech Brian is the most obvious choice to use it on.
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That's it? Well for all that supposed potential he's definitely not living up to it... Seriously is that even still a thing any more, or was it just something some people vaguely talked about in the past. Cause if it was never acted upon, it doesn't really matter.
Yes I can just say that. And the reason is very obvious. Brian is in no way comparable in importance or relationship to Shep. Than her parent's and adopted little sister('s) are to her.
And how can you view unsolicited near full bodily modification of another's corpse as not morally questionable. Plus there's a very big different between bringing somebody who died just hours ago back to life, than somebody who died months or even years ago back to life(it's gonna take that long just to even get the project done). There are a lot of moral problems with something like the Lazarus project.
Oh and Shep saying she want's to live forever is fine, since it's her own body she's messing around with. Nor does it require her to use something like the Lazarus project. But if she want's to create a Lazarus project of her own, then she should only use it on those who have volunteered for it before hand.
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My big issue with this is that I honestly can't take what you say as incredibly unbiased considering the blatant bias you have towards Brian. What with you literally saying that it's unethical but also saying that Revy would only use it for the people closest to her and I'm like 'what'? If she is willing to do it at all it makes no sense she wouldn't do it for other people. It just seems like a contradiction. Isn't helped that in quests where the ability to revive people is a thing you don't see many if any people complaining about it.
You say it's questionable to revive someone which I call bullshit on. If I died I'd totally appreciate being brought back for a second chance. Pretty sure it's true for most people as well. Which again explains why most quests with the option don't have people making excuses not to use it by saying 'it's morally questionable'. Which again, seems bull considering that Revy would definitely use it on say her parents if they died.
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I do like me some Tali, but I agree both that 'someone I was close to died, I'm not taking that laying down' seems good enough for Dr. Revystein to cackle madly in a laboratory while Defying God And Nature, and that I'd like to de-emphasize romance as a driver of plot in this quest.
Imagine the SA Admiralty and Council alike going 'dear gods, what is that madwoman doing'.
And then we submit dreadnought designs. (What toys should we make before that needs doing?)
Imagine the SA Admiralty and Council alike going 'dear gods, what is that madwoman doing'.
And then we submit dreadnought designs. (What toys should we make before that needs doing?)
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...How is that your issue. Pot here's kettle, kettle, pot. Seriously At what point where either of us unbiased. We clearly both have our own biased opinion on Brian whether positive or negative.
Either this is a case of selective reading on your part or I wasn't concise enough but there was nothing contradictory about what I said.
When I talked about it being morally questionable, or as you put it unethical. I was very pointedly talking about unsolicited use of it. If an individual were to opt-in beforehand, kind of like organ donation upon death requires prior consent, then fine use it. As to using it on the people closest to her, well they happen to still be alive and fully capable of opting in to such a procedure. Preferably through video and numerous other mandatory methods that can be used later after resurrection to help the patient. Makes more than enough sense.
You my call bullshit but I definitely call bullshit on you or anybody being ok after being revived without prior consent. I sure as hell wouldn't. Like I can definitely see my-self spiraling out of control wondering if I'm even me, was I ever me, or am I a clone with somebody else memories, or are they completely fabricated memories, did I even die, did I even exist in the first place, and it just goes on, and on, and on. And that's just trying to ignore what they did to my body, if it even is my body... Fuck I'm getting second hand existential dread from this.
Personally, I'm fine with getting revived. (unless I was being revived in a terrible completely situation). But I know my parents wouldnt without giving consent. Because atleast my dad is one of the people who are completly against getting Biological immortality. Because he's big on the whole dying when we're naturally supposed to and stuff like that.
So yeah. Once the tech is developed its probably going to be on a card/Records that you need to either opt out or opt in to be Revived, since there would be people against it, and who would hate it if it happened to them.
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Now you definitely not helping your case about being extremely biased considering you are acting like no one would actually disagree with you because it's your opinion. Well I'm saying I disagree with you because I would definitely want to be revived as long as there weren't horrible consequences for it. Your existential dread towards existence pretty much applies to just living considering that there have been debates whether people stay the same person, whether they are the same consciousness after going to sleep or if the universe is just one big simulation.
Like seriously, very few if any people bring up these issues when options like this pop up in quests. Even the people bought up in quests tend to be fine about it. Hell, in canon Shepard was mostly fine with being revived and IIRC was thankful to the likes of Liara and Miranda for it with the only angst being that it was done by Cerberus and that entirely because they were Cerberus.
So I'd say the vast majority of people are actually fine with it.
As for being biased towards Brian I'm gonna say not really. Because:
Because it seems in character it for Revy. If it wasn't I wouldn't be pushing for it. And I'd honestly see Revy do this for anyone that was close to her or even if someone asked to bring back a loved on under the right conditions.
Who's Brian?
... no, seriously, I have absolutely no memory of this character. Even after being prompted by the reminder he's Revy's ex, I cannot dredge up any memory of him. I am therefore rather disinclined to have Revy do anything more dramatic than drink a toast to his memory.
I also think we really need to sort out the Liara Question once and for all. Like, have a binding vote about whether Revy wants to pursue a relationship with her or something. Because the current situation serves neither side - the Anti-Liara voters are pissed every time we 'waste' an action developing the relationship, and the Liara Shippers are pissed because we're never going to get anywhere with her if we keep blowing her off every other turn. Personally, I'm pro-Liara, but either result would be better than continuing to half-ass it; we need to either commit to the relationship or end it and find someone else.
... no, seriously, I have absolutely no memory of this character. Even after being prompted by the reminder he's Revy's ex, I cannot dredge up any memory of him. I am therefore rather disinclined to have Revy do anything more dramatic than drink a toast to his memory.
I also think we really need to sort out the Liara Question once and for all. Like, have a binding vote about whether Revy wants to pursue a relationship with her or something. Because the current situation serves neither side - the Anti-Liara voters are pissed every time we 'waste' an action developing the relationship, and the Liara Shippers are pissed because we're never going to get anywhere with her if we keep blowing her off every other turn. Personally, I'm pro-Liara, but either result would be better than continuing to half-ass it; we need to either commit to the relationship or end it and find someone else.
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Kay pause. Are you deliberately misconstruing what I'm saying. Or are you just having some difficulty correctly explaining yourself here. Cause you've been going off about bias when this isn't an issue where us being biased or unbiased even matters. And honestly bit hypocritical when accusing me of being "extremely biased" while also showing the same extreme bias. Not that our bias even maters here.
Also why are you completely ignoring the main and central problem I have, that being consent.
Wait is the reason you keep weirdly emphasizing "bias" because you are using ad hominem. is this an ad hominem, I can't tell at all at this point. Can somebody else explain what he's doing for me, or what he's even trying to say. Since now I'm just confused.
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*sees the latest posts going on, torn between desire to watch trainwreck and fear of mods coming by*
As far as I can tell, Brian and Liara are about at the same point of relationship progress, due to lack of interaction with both.
edit: and Revy would no doubt be willing to Rez Brian, once she works out the kinks in her tech if she ever makes it, cause why would she not revive people that she know, especially if she would use the tech to revive strangers as well? It would be like the cancer cure discussion we had before, would Revy hoard it? No. cause that's just not how she rolls.
she's the damn Willy Wonka of tech and she's gonna shove them scrumpdeliciousuptious bars of revival nanites in you and make you like it despite yourself
As far as I can tell, Brian and Liara are about at the same point of relationship progress, due to lack of interaction with both.
edit: and Revy would no doubt be willing to Rez Brian, once she works out the kinks in her tech if she ever makes it, cause why would she not revive people that she know, especially if she would use the tech to revive strangers as well? It would be like the cancer cure discussion we had before, would Revy hoard it? No. cause that's just not how she rolls.
she's the damn Willy Wonka of tech and she's gonna shove them scrumpdeliciousuptious bars of revival nanites in you and make you like it despite yourself
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So ask his parents? It's not like 'I want to do this medical procedure to help this guy, but due to the very medical condition I want to cure I can't ask him for permission' is a new problem. That's what 'next of kin' is for.
Even assuming this is true - as mentioned, I don't remember any of the Brian content - there's a big difference between a relationship that was formally broken off a year ago and we haven't spoken to the guy since and one where we were actively shopping for a date (if unsuccessfully) just 3 months ago.
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exactly ex + time = non gf + time
brian was in a relationship with revy for a bit
liara was with revy for a party of two
progress wise brian was in the lead before the breakup and time decreasing the feelings between the two to where I can see Brian and liara are about equal emotional importance wise with brian slightly edging out on account of actually being in a relationship with revy before.
*Looks away, looks back* I want to argue but I swing between those 2 as I get high mushy feels from both of them.nah, they just being blinded as Liaramancers, the inferior version of Talimancers
To be fair they knew this was coming and prepared mental defences to keep the hurt away and handled this with more maturity than most do.
Agree with Red Bovine here.
Also: Why we acting like we can only use the Lazurus Project but once? This ain't Worm Tinkertech people. Our sciencey tech is reproducible!
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Oh for gods sake, the players are not the characters they are playing in quests.
Seriously I don't get why this is so hard to understand. Yeah players may not remember a character that they read about at one point but that does not meant that said character themselves don't feel differently. Like I legit at one instance had no idea who a character was talking about when their name was mentioned only to find out soon afterwards that it was their son that died. Which I think was understandable since the guy didn't have much screen time or development and it had been years since I started up again.
Point is that it's actually pretty common for readers to forget characters since it could be months or years since they read the story. It seems espeially common for written literature.
Still doesn't change the fact that it would be a completely different story for the characters themselves.
I was about to bring this up but it is kind of an issue since it's something that is entirely new and wasn't brought up before. Like for example imagine that someone that was in coma that they had good odds of coming out of also had a condition that could only get treated now thanks to medicine and treatments that were just discovered and if they don't get treatment they die. The thing is that odds are extremely good that said person would be extremely likely to want to get the treatment since the alternative is literally dying. The issue being that it seems like a total no brainer since no one wants to die even if the treatments are something never before seen.
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Change of topic; what tech (other than Lazarus) will cause a great hue and cry from the galactic community? I'm looking for something that, when revealed, causes leaders to with one voice ask Revy to create a pan-species version of antacids so they can all down them with a single voice. I'm looking for the next "it doesn't matter how tough your Dreadnought is if my frigate is armed with lasers", but hitting more than just defense planners.
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@tri2 Has Revy done enough for the galaxy as a whole that any more assassination attempts would piss off not just humans but a number of alien people? At the least the likes of the Council races?
I mean at this point seems like there would be plenty of people outside humanity invested in keeping Revy alive. Especially considering that she is willingly giving out things like peak treatments to other races for free. Not to mention that she is bullshit enough that she has the ability to bring people back from the dead and cure old age in all species.
I mean at this point seems like there would be plenty of people outside humanity invested in keeping Revy alive. Especially considering that she is willingly giving out things like peak treatments to other races for free. Not to mention that she is bullshit enough that she has the ability to bring people back from the dead and cure old age in all species.
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what makes you think there have not been assassination attempts already?
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I'ld like to think that after the gift Revy gave the Salarian's with the genetic treatments that they have been secretly helping out against such things in the background. Having Mordin as a friend probably helps a bit there.what makes you think there have not been assassination attempts already?