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I'd say that is all the motivation we needed to ensure victory.
La Chanson de la Victoire (The Song of Victory): La Petite Arpenteuse (Non, SV, you are a General of France in the Napoleonic War!)
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O2Deprived
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...well. Well.
WELL.
I think things are going to get really interesting, and that this situation's gonna end in a GIGANTIC BLOODY MESS.
Gotta wonder, depending on how things go, what Oversimplified- nay, historians in general would have to say about this...
Shit, the sheer possibility of things to go to hell it's steadily increasing!
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- leiden (NL)
That's a good idea.
I also believe the plan should be
1) for Davout to take care of Naple (and the Pope) quickly and then march North to threaten Austria from the South. Clean up the problem so he cannot be threatened from behind before going to the main threat.
2) During that time, we need to quickly deal with Rob and reunite France, before going to the Rhine border to meet the austrian and prussian armies, preferably separated.
3) The current border armies should defend France borders while Therese and Napoleon'd troops (as well as any troop currently inside France like Vendee) unite to deal with internal issues (read Rob).
4) Once that is done, we need to deal with whichever prussian or austrian army is the mos threatening then.
5) Once that is done or if the Prussian and Austrians are waiting for the russians to come, we should first target Vienna with a pincer movement from the South and West. HRE states should be dealt with in passing as necessary but not main targets.
I'll stop here because too many things are in the air...
Edit: I believe once we deal with Rob, we need to pardon most of his followers (at least the ones which have not willingly committed atrocities against the french people) and go for 'Union Sacree'
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Question @Magoose , is our army currently the only one using the corps system ? because if the others armies haven't adopted the system catching up to them should be easier since it allow to move quicker.
Now that I think about it the march through France is going to be the first true demonstration of the corps system because the invasion of Sicily has only shown the usefulness of the greater Independence of the corps.
Now that I think about it the march through France is going to be the first true demonstration of the corps system because the invasion of Sicily has only shown the usefulness of the greater Independence of the corps.
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The revolutionnary wars won't end as long as Britain stands. London Delenda Est.
Lol. This went as well as it could, well short of Robespierre rolling poorly but we'll get to that.
Politics makes for strange befellows...
wow, Royalist backing Napoleon. The irony of this is if Bonnie marries us, then he can act as the 'protector' of our two dependents and play it up. And since Louis has ZERO interest in ruling, Napoleon can claim to be safeguarding it. The Royalists might even back him then, hoping Louie will change his mind later.Relevant question, no one really knew Theresa was safeguarding the two Royals prior to this did they? Because as favorable of the Royalists will be towards Napoleon, finding out Theresa was keeping them safe all this time and arrive like the proverbial hand of god to drop the hammer on the radical parisians will have her seem like an angel bit her to move.
The power couple of us and Bonnie will definitely get support from the Royalists.
And this limits foreign influence in French even further.
Bah looks like it'll take a while to stomp this out.
So notably our forces moving on Paris are nearly twice the size of what Napoleon has, and concentrated and well honed. The tacking objectives elsewhere is important to be fair, but we'll definitely seem the more potent force arriving in the civil war.
Holy shit the Royalists will lose their goddamn mind at this.
This is probably going to single handedly move France to have its own church like the Church of England after this. Also this is fodder for nationalist spirit that "the heir would risk his immortal soul for the brave soldiers of france."
Right this degree of perfidy is not to be underestimated. This is the sort of thing which means you can't negotiate ANYTHING in good faith, because there is no faith to be had. At this point no treaty with Britain can be trusted going forward and is dubious. Britain his mortgaged their honor with this betrayal of the peace negotiations. This is the sort of thing that in a war you refuse to accept a ceasefire because you don't trust the other wise to not use it for personal advantage, and the war ends with complete unconditional surrender or total degredation of the enemies ability to continue fighting.
There are reasons countries don't breach agreements like this, because the offending side can rightly be trusted with nothing. Under certain contexts I might not even be prepared to accept the surrender of British soldiers because I might consider it another feint to game the norms of war to their advantage by them violating the terms. If we win this war, Britain must be made to regret this choice or it will do it again.
FUCK FUCK. Right at this point everything I said about needing to make Britain regret this? On Super Steroids because without clever deployments from us it might well work which will encourage them to do it again even if we scrape by a narrow win. Only a harsh peace will work. I'm reconsidering the idea of some tactics I don't typically consider like Balkanizing Britain if we win, Ireland and Scotland independent at minimum, and maybe we can pry out whales into something independent too. Other forms of wrecking the British economy are now in play too.
Yeah Europe you fucked up. Especially you Naples. And man Russia way to turn on us the moment you could or were they planning to screw us over from the beginning?
Anyway we need to deal with Robespierre first and quickly. So I'm hoping for Therese to turn the Northern recruits to make thing quicker and get more men to face the rest of Europe.
Anyway we need to deal with Robespierre first and quickly. So I'm hoping for Therese to turn the Northern recruits to make thing quicker and get more men to face the rest of Europe.
Yeah, before we march on Austria, we should help Nappy beat Robespierre. Because if we want ANY Chance to win this, the Civil War MUST end ASAP.
Spitballing some ideas for making Britain regretting this, but for one I'd like to carve out a port in Britain or island chain we can fortify to make future invasion easier, maybe shenanigans like demolishing London or forcibly making them relocate the capital, and empowering a different noble clan to ruling the UK. If we want to play a tactic the UK likes to do of putting minority groups in power who without foreign support they'd collapse(and be ripped apart by those we rule over). I think the UK would be much better with a Scottish monarch wouldn't you say?
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Honestly, the only way I see us seriously harming Britain is to deprive them of India as it's the only profitable colony that can be reached by land unless we manage convince the Americans and Spanish to start annexing their assets in the New World.
The destruction of their colonial empire is the greatest harm we could cause them as without the funding from their colonies, the economy they rely on to fund their navy, empire, and lifestyle collapses.
The destruction of their colonial empire is the greatest harm we could cause them as without the funding from their colonies, the economy they rely on to fund their navy, empire, and lifestyle collapses.
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Sir_Travelsalot
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A French-controlled naval base built on the Isle of Man in tandem with an independent Ireland?
Narrator: Napoleon was in tough spot and things were looking dark for France...
Therese: Hello, Napoleon I brought 50,000 troops ready to march. The other half is still in Italy having finished a talk with a Pope, their ready to crush Naples before they can join he war and move on Austria the moment they get orders.
Royalist: By the way we are joining you since the freaking Pope is a moron and Therese has at least been keeping the Royal heirs safe.
Napoleon: *Loins Combust* How do you get more incredible every single time I see you?
Therese: Aw stop!
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This all has the same requirement that stymied Napoleon in canon: You have to put boots on the ground to make it stick. Thankfully, we do have confirmation from the amphibious landing trait that if we ever got a foothold in Britain, it would be almost impossible to dislodge us. And with taking a big chunk out of the Royal Navy only a year and change back, getting that foothold is slightly easier than OTL. The requirements for taking Britain in a channel crossing are quite well understood because of how many times people's run into that and never overcome it. The only time where that was possible or regular was before the Kingdom of Briton even existed, and there was just a bunch of squabbling petty kings getting fucked over by the Normans and Vikings.
1. Establish a naval corridor
2. Have sufficient supply ships to support an invasion.
3. Keep both protected.
4. Uprising of Irish.
5. Profit.
I would even argue that Britain should be our primary target after Max: Much like in OTL, the Second Coalition is being entirely bankrolled by the British. If we take Britain, the rest of Europe has no money to pay its soldiers.
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99 years lease on the Wight Island?
Did they ever actually deliver these to us, though?
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The Papal States have been occupied without resistance. They are conquered. Rome itself is billeted by the soldiers of France. The Archbasilica is ringed by a force of men and cannon to discourage any foolish notions of resistance.
The Pope, however, cannot be openly forced to recant the excommunication. We can't put a gun to his head and say he has to sign or he dies. He must surrender of his own free will. Davout, however, is taking all other measures to encourage His Holiness to speed his judgement, such as the aforementioned occupation of the Papal States and control of Vatican City.
Yes, that's how treaties work. It's also why the government in Britain had a massive loss in public support.
Sir_Travelsalot
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Vatican surrendered, but Pope refused to undo the entire army's excommunication, under the false belief that Europe's Catholic royalty will send help soon enough. He's very, very gravely mistaken about that part.
Thebigpieman
I've got this, I think.
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Yeah, France has a -5 when facing off against the Royal Navy where most other nations have like... a -20?
Ah, I see.
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They still have Nelson if I recall correctly, so don't get too confident.
Actually thinking about the King of Naples declared war but how does his kingdom feel about this? Like they literally just lost a war with us and our army isn't really gone but literally nextdoor to them. Like what are the chances that the people of Naples will just give up or help Davout because their king is a idiot?
Could be pretty high. As far as we know, Davout might show up at Naples only for the People and Garrison to throw their former Monarch to his feet in chains.