La Chanson de la Victoire (The Song of Victory): La Petite Arpenteuse (Non, SV, you are a General of France in the Napoleonic War!)

[Blazblade]

Thanks guys, coming from you, the praise makes me glad to have done this.

 

[Magoose]

Thanks guys, coming from you, the praise makes me glad to have done this.

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I'm just happy that omakes are still coming. despite the slow down in the updates.

 

[AvidFicReader]

Available Manpower as of 11 Jan, 1800

Spoiler: Spreadsheet

Available Manpower as of 11 Jan, 1800
Raw data sourced from here (excluding Imperial Guard, Nappy's toy only), troop assignments sourced from here, here and here

	Infantry	Lancers	Dragoons	Artillerymen	Unorganized Cavalry	Unorganized Reserves	Cannons
Old Guard	0	-1000*	0	0	-	-	-
Young Guard	0	0	0	0	-	-	-
Veteran	281,000	5,000	-5000**	200,000	194,000	-	-
Regular	-31,000**	13,500	18000	39,000	14,000	969,000	-
Untrained	90,000	-	-	-	-	-	-
Available	340,000	17,500	13,000	239,000	208,000	969,000	845

*Will have to downgrade 1000 OG-tier lancers from XIII or XIV Corps
**Deducted from relevant Unorganized unit reserves

@Magoose I made this today, lmk if you want me to share you the actual spreadsheet and not just what I copied over from it.
@verysaltypenguin I ran the math and we're overdrawn on Old Guard-tier lancers by 1k

Edit: Added last known troop assignments (minus officers)

Spoiler: Moar Spreadsheet

Am idiot, was about to post, tried to make the Imperial Guard alignment match, X'd out from edit box. Redid entire table.

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[Magoose]

@Magoose I made this today, lmk if you want me to share you the actual spreadsheet and not just what I copied over from it.

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No this is fine, thanks.

+20 to the rolls for you my friend.

 

[Sivantic]

While I will always love AC crossovers, I cannot help but wonder if it would be that easy to have Napoleon and the Assassins working together. Napoleon and the AC were at odds at some points and it would be fascinating to have them as sometimes enemies. Good Story though.

 

[Alexander Sturnn]

Well, well, well...looks like we're gonna have to teach that upstart Tsar Brat who is the 'wittle Baby Boy' here, to quote Oversimplified.

Alexander is skilled, but he has yet to learn an important fact: The World doesn't just bend to your every whim.
Especially not when up against the likes of Napoleon and Therese.

While I will always love AC crossovers, I cannot help but wonder if it would be that easy to have Napoleon and the Assassins working together. Napoleon and the AC were at odds at some points and it would be fascinating to have them as sometimes enemies. Good Story though.

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Well, they aren't exactly Allies. It's just that right now, their Interests align.

Besides, the Templars in the Game supported Robespierre, so...the Assassins would at least temporarily back Napoleon if only to oppose the Templar's goals.

 

[AvidFicReader]

Was running some math on my shiny new spreadsheet, and even if we crash mobilize 6 more standard corps (14k vet inf, 1k vet lancers, 1k vet dragoons, 1k vet arty+30 guns=84k vet inf, 6k vet lancers, 6k vet dragoons, 5k vet arty+180 guns), we still have 1,677,500 men in reserve. Of that, 156k trained infantry (90k untrained, but that technically is Italian volunteers that now fall under the Kingdom of Italy and is bro-in-law Joe's problem), 11.5k trained lancers, 7k trained dragoons, 233k trained artillerymen, 201k trained cavalry (Schrodinger's Horsemen, undetermined whether lancers or dragoons until we decide), 969k reservists with basic training that can be called up, and 665 reserve cannons. I say 6 because I only programmed the spreadsheet with 20 corps in mind. While we could go more, it would be difficult to get enough commanders that are actual side characters rather than a one-line blurb that So-and-so leads 17k men. Some of our marshals are already at that point, so I hesitate to go for full mobilization.

Our army composition is currently heavily skewed in favor of cavalry corps ([7/14] Dumas (Bernadotte)/I, Jourdan/V, Murat/VIII, Mortier/XI, Massena/XII, Grouchy/XIII, Klein/XIV), 4 standard corps (Hoche/III, Lannes/IV, Ney/VI, Davout/IX), 2 assault corps (Severin/II, Serurier/X), 1 artillery corps (Therese/VII). A more even distribution would be 5 standard, 1 arty, to have at least two of each specialist corps. Again, it's not that we lack manpower, but it's the officers that are the limiting factor.

 

[verysaltypenguin]

Was running some math on my shiny new spreadsheet, and even if we crash mobilize 6 more standard corps (14k vet inf, 1k vet lancers, 1k vet dragoons, 1k vet arty+30 guns=84k vet inf, 6k vet lancers, 6k vet dragoons, 5k vet arty+180 guns), we still have 1,677,500 men in reserve. Of that, 156k trained infantry (90k untrained, but that technically is Italian volunteers that now fall under the Kingdom of Italy and is bro-in-law Joe's problem), 11.5k trained lancers, 7k trained dragoons, 233k trained artillerymen, 201k trained cavalry (Schrodinger's Horsemen, undetermined whether lancers or dragoons until we decide), 969k reservists with basic training that can be called up, and 665 reserve cannons. I say 6 because I only programmed the spreadsheet with 20 corps in mind. While we could go more, it would be difficult to get enough commanders that are actual side characters rather than a one-line blurb that So-and-so leads 17k men. Some of our marshals are already at that point, so I hesitate to go for full mobilization.

Our army composition is currently heavily skewed in favor of cavalry corps ([7/14] Dumas (Bernadotte)/I, Jourdan/V, Murat/VIII, Mortier/XI, Massena/XII, Grouchy/XIII, Klein/XIV), 4 standard corps (Hoche/III, Lannes/IV, Ney/VI, Davout/IX), 2 assault corps (Severin/II, Serurier/X), 1 artillery corps (Therese/VII). A more even distribution would be 5 standard, 1 arty, to have at least two of each specialist corps. Again, it's not that we lack manpower, but it's the officers that are the limiting factor.

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We still have a good 10+ historical generals who, while not marshal level, could potentially become close to that level with experience as they served with distincton during the OTL napoleonic wars. I do agree however that our army is skewed towards cavalry which, while it will be alleviated once I get the character sheets for those generals done (whenever that will be), we cant really fully remedy that problem until a new batch of officers are trained and undergo their baptism of fire in this current war.

But good god you have a point that if we mobilize more men we would have an issue actually characterizing all of them.

It could be fixed if I write a whole bunch of omakes for them. But that requires a lot of time that I probably won't have. Also depends on what happens in the war.

I ran the math and we're overdrawn on Old Guard-tier lancers by 1k

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I guess we can replace them with just veteran/trained lancers

 

[mrsean22]

Well....Russia is getting pretty confident in themselves to go for something like this huh? Still have to be careful but this should be winnable. Austria just has to not lose before France can help them.

 

[ThatGuyWithIdeas]

Reminder on what War Plan Eagle entails...

War Plan Eagle is in effect.

During a potential War with Prussia there will be two french columns of attack, one from the south, from Bavaria (Or Austria if negotiations fail with them), and the West, from the Rhine.

Due to the thoroughness of the plan and how it was devised, all forces taking part of this operation gave a +20 to all rolls (except for surveying/scouting rolls).

Due to devising this Operation: Davout can be placed as commander in chief of the Army without any debuffs. Anyone else besides you, the Emperor, or Strangely enough, Marshal Lefverbe will suffer a debuff of -5.

If the plan is executed, the Prussian Army will suffer a -10 for all battle rolls until one year after the invasion.

If done before their reforms are completed, it will set back their reform progress by one turn.

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Prussia has pretty much chosen death with their decision to join this new coalition (granted, they were likely unaware of Plan Eagle, so they couldn't have known how extensively prepared France was for another war against them). Hopefully we can remove them from the war swiftly. We will have to see who else is getting involved in this matter before we can decide how to procede (also, Britain may claim to be uninvolved with this, but I suspect they'll be happy to supply any non-Russian coalition member with funds and weaponry, since the British want France to be curtailed, for it is a threat to its hegemony).
Russia's going to be harder to deal with, since we don't have an accurate estimate as to how strong their armed forces are. Also, attacking Russia itself is going to be problematic (especially during the winter), so our best bet would be to drag the war long enough so that its costs (in manpower and funds) outweight what benefits Alexander hopes to gain from succeeding in getting what he wants from this war and force him to abandon the war. If needed, we may need to go after some of their other territories that aren't as difficult to besiege as Russia is.

 

[Alexander Sturnn]

For Russia, I vote we smash all their Armies that try to attack us but we stay the hell out of the vastness of the country. Liberating the Border Territories (Poland, maybe the Baltics), sure. Maybe even trying to take St. Petersburg in a decapitation strike by sea.
But no March on Moscow. That way, ruin lies.

 

[verysaltypenguin]

So most royalists in France are indifferent to Napoleon's regime due to the actions of Therese correct? While writing sheets, I was thinking of writing of sheet for General Pichegru. OTL, he betrayed France during the War of the First Coalition because of his royalist sympathies but like Doumirez, he might have had second thoughts about defecting so I don't entirely know what he's doing right now. The reason I'm bringing him up is that he did very well beating back the Coalition and has experience in high command as he commanded the entire Army of the Rhine during the war.

Would like some confirmation on what he's doing as of now. He is potential marshal material but his loyalties are vague.

 

[Magoose]

So most royalists in France are indifferent to Napoleon's regime due to the actions of Therese correct?

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Indifferent to supportive.

See our actions of saving Louis, and him basically declaring he will only fight for France (and not for his crown) has severely dampened counter revolutionary fervor, as he basically all but ordered them to fight for France through his actions

Most still fled but Louis has made those that stayed far more loyal to Nappy's regime than previously. Irl that is.

 

[Magoose]

Alexander is skilled, but he has yet to learn an important fact: The World doesn't just bend to your every whim.
Especially not when up against the likes of Napoleon and Therese.

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WEll, I mean can you blame him for having the Ego to fight France, at its near height, without British support?

There is a totally unfortunate event where he lost in Turkey and failed and would be totally willing to ask Britain for help. But his armies are bloodied and victorious against the Ottoman Turks and hold the City the World Desires and have control over his own destiny, and the ability to use his navy anywhere he needs it to be.

He can, if he really tries, control the Baltic, and the Black sea, and put a good showing in the Mediterranean sea.

So... Yeah, there is that.

Well....Russia is getting pretty confident in themselves to go for something like this huh? Still have to be careful but this should be winnable. Austria just has to not lose before France can help them.

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Austria might be the weakest link in the proverbial chain... but let's be honest here...

They have Archduke Charles, and are learning from French Forces...

Hopefully, that dosen't lead to backstabbing.

For Russia, I vote we smash all their Armies that try to attack us but we stay the hell out of the vastness of the country. Liberating the Border Territories (Poland, maybe the Baltics), sure. Maybe even trying to take St. Petersburg in a decapitation strike by sea.
But no March on Moscow. That way, ruin lies.

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That would require a lot... and I mean, a truly great and decisive battle with the Russians that destroys them like at Eaylau and at Friedland.

And even then.

 

[Blazblade]

Problem is that if we do invade Russia, we would need SO many skills and tech to support our forces and roll so well with our plans to have a chance to successfully beat the Russians.

 

[AvidFicReader]

Unless Russia has drastically reformed their logistics (or they've brought either/or Sweden or Denmark/Norway into this coalition giving them free run of the Baltic), whatever armies Russia sends into Central Europe will be dependent on long supply lines from St. Petersburg. Historically the Russian army was good for one major battle before they were out of ammunition, and attempts to split the supply burden with allies never worked out.

Since Russia spent the Second Coalition on their leisurely walking tour of Europe, they never got their faces kicked in by the Corps System units like Austria, Prussia and Naples. They are also riding high on a crushing victory over their long-time rival the Ottomans, so they see nothing wrong with their army organization either. They're in Todd Howard "It just works" mode right now, so we should be able to leverage our advantages over the Russians on the operational and tactical level. Prussia may have been working towards army reforms, but they have recently purged their army of their old school officers who are still fighting the Seven Years' War forty years later. The new leadership is promising but untested. Prussian cavalry is considered the best in Europe because of their stellar performance in the Seven Years' War (again, forty years ago), even if Murat and other French cavalry commanders have surpassed them in fact.

Going by the geography of Europe and the known belligerents of this impending war, the likely fronts with be: North/Netherlands, Rhine Frontier, Bohemia, Silesia and Galicia/Hungary. We know Severin and Bernadotte have I and II Corps plus what King Lucian can muster from the Kingdom of the Netherlands. Jourdan, Hoche and Lannes have been fortifying the Rhine for most of a decade now with III, IV and V Corps. Mortier, Ney and Serurier have been operating with VI, X and XI Corps in Austrian territory with Archduke Charles, they will be likely first French responders in the east, meaning Silesia or Galicia and Hungary. They'll need to be rotated out soon, as they've been on deployment for slightly longer than Therese, Davout and Murat have been in Spain. Suchet can lead a reorganized Corps created out of the old Army of Spain (IIRC, its veterans could be formed into a standard and cavalry corps, but it couldn't be done until they returned to France). I assume that part of the Army of Spain formed into either XIII or XIV Corps, and if XV Corps is a standard corps, Marshal Suchet could lead the rest of his old command. That leaves only the Imperial Guard and Massena's XII Corps as the reserve for War Plan Eagle, with VII, VIII and IX Corps in R&R. Hopefully they will be ready for action after three-and-change months. I assume the Imperial Guard is in Paris (as are VII, VIII and IX Corps), with XII Corps in Italy with whatever army King Joseph could scrape together with the help of Massena and MacDonald (if they haven't killed each other already). I assume XIII and XIV Corps are being stood up in France (maybe the south, near Italy in furtherance of WPE?) and will march to join with Joseph and Massena.

The problem I can see is if Prussia uses only a skeleton force on the Rhine and does a full send in Silesia and Bohemia while Charles is focused on the threat of the Russians. I fully expect Charles to deploy the Army of the Orient against the Russians in Galicia/Hungary to blunt the Russian advance (Ney will be all for it, Mortier and Chamans can wreak havoc on their supply train, and Serurier and Kellerman with Junot, Oudinot and Vandamme can try to stem the tide (they are the Bulwark of France)) while he gathers his forces for a counterattack. If Joseph and Massena can move fast enough, they might be able to stall out the Prussians in Bohemia by seizing critical bridge crossings or mountain passes. The question then becomes: can Napoleon get from Paris to Silesia by way of Italy fast enough to keep Charles from being cut off and isolated in the east? The other side of the scale is: can the North and Rhine forces advance fast enough to spook the Prussians into pulling troops from Bohemia and Silesia? Actually, if the Russians can count on safe naval supply lines in the Baltic, they might just send their main force from Silesia. It's still a long supply line, but much less than overland from St. Petersburg to Galicia and Hungary.

 

[verysaltypenguin]

Problem is that if we do invade Russia, we would need SO many skills and tech to support our forces and roll so well with our plans to have a chance to successfully beat the Russians.

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No. We are not invading Russia. Nazi Germany couldn't do it in 1941, and neither can we. The only way to beat Russia is to make Alexander reconsider the value of having French+Austria as an enemy or an ally. I.e. make wars so costly for him he sues for peace (this can be achieved by defeating the Russian armies in the field) or making Alexander unpopular enough that he is at risk of getting deposed (astronomically harder to achieve since he just won against the Ottomans). The only reason WW1 Germany was able to defeat the Russians is that the Russian army was outdated and underequipped during that era and Russia was destabilized from within by dissidents and exacerbation by Tsar Nicholas' incompetence. It took a communist revolution not too dissimilar to the French Revolution to take down the Tsardom.

The problem I can see is if Prussia uses only a skeleton force on the Rhine and does a full send in Silesia and Bohemia while Charles is focused on the threat of the Russians. I fully expect Charles to deploy the Army of the Orient against the Russians in Galicia/Hungary to blunt the Russian advance (Ney will be all for it, Mortier and Chamans can wreak havoc on their supply train, and Serurier and Kellerman with Junot, Oudinot and Vandamme can try to stem the tide (they are the Bulwark of France)) while he gathers his forces for a counterattack. If Joseph and Massena can move fast enough, they might be able to stall out the Prussians in Bohemia by seizing critical bridge crossings or mountain passes. The question then becomes: can Napoleon get from Paris to Silesia by way of Italy fast enough to keep Charles from being cut off and isolated in the east? The other side of the scale is: can the North and Rhine forces advance fast enough to spook the Prussians into pulling troops from Bohemia and Silesia? Actually, if the Russians can count on safe naval supply lines in the Baltic, they might just send their main force from Silesia. It's still a long supply line, but much less than overland from St. Petersburg to Galicia and Hungary.

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This situation you posed is the worst-case scenario. However, I don't think the Prussians are both organized enough or have the insight to consolidate their forces with the Russians and invade Austria. They are probably expecting a massive French invasion across the rhine and from what I remember of previous updates, War Plan Eagle was based on enemy intelligence on troop movements across the rhine that suggested that the Prussians were going to hold up at the Rhine river. They have new officers too so the overall command is shaky at best and I don't think the Prussians, or anyone in Europe really except Archduke Charles, got the memo of the way to fight napoleon is that you don't fight napoleon.

I also don't see any reason for Denmark or Swedish to join the coalition. I'm pretty sure the Swedish hate the Russians (correct me if I'm wrong) and Denmark really doesn't have any motivations to join the coalition. Sweden only has a population of 3.4 million and Denmark has a population of only 2.4 million. Combined with overall weak economies and they really can't afford to muster up an army that could match the strength and flexibility of 1-2 corps. If they join I can see the only contributing maybe like 30k men each if I were being optimistic. Any supply networks that can be gained by Denmark or Sweden joining is negated by how Russia can't really integrate supply chains with their allies.

 

[Magoose]

Unless Russia has drastically reformed their logistics (or they've brought either/or Sweden or Denmark/Norway into this coalition giving them free run of the Baltic

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Actually… they have free reign over the Baltic due to several reasons that can be learned once things are all set up.

But Russia has not really learned from Napoleon like the rest of Europe has. That means, oh lord does that mean he's going to be in for a rude awakening.

As for the logistic issues… we'll this is Russia.

They can never fix their logistic issues, not without outside help.

They are also riding high on a crushing victory over their long-time rival the Ottomans, so they see nothing wrong with their army organization either. They're in Todd Howard "It just works" mode right now, so we should be able to leverage our advantages over the Russians on the operational and tactical level.

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Alexander had not been blind to the comings and goings of European military development. He's not stupid. Nor is he able to not woor about us.

However, due to fighting inferior opponents, his armies and generals were far less likely to change due to victory.

That may change, but that also would depend entirely, on what is soon to happen in this war.

Going by the geography of Europe and the known belligerents of this impending war, the likely fronts with be: North/Netherlands, Rhine Frontier, Bohemia, Silesia and Galicia/Hungary.

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Napoleon himself will want to counterattack, and there is a preliminary plan that is in place that was developed by Mortier and Ney, along with Archduke Charles, but currently does not have the forces in position to do anything offensive. So for the first stage of this war, we will be entirely on the defensive, until we are ready to fight back or forced to fight the Prussian Forces through War Plan Eagle.

There is also the possibility to bring up... That Multinational Commander Trait that we've been waiting to use since we gave it.

Because you're going to possibly have to... no I won't say.

But we have lots of foreign volunteers wanting to fight for us.

Suchet can lead a reorganized Corps created out of the old Army of Spain (IIRC, its veterans could be formed into a standard and cavalry corps, but it couldn't be done until they returned to France

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Nappy actually hasn't reformed the Army of Spain into another corps, because many of them retired.

So only a single Infantry Corps can be formed. Though these mad lads are almost all Vets so... They have Experienced with the shit.

That leaves only the Imperial Guard and Massena's XII Corps as the reserve for War Plan Eagle, with VII, VIII and IX Corps in R&R.

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Well, the other corps in Paris can be recalled quickly, as much of their duties were mostly police duty, after the false start and terror that foreign counter-insurgency occurred.

Thankfully, they are still great at the big battle stuff they were waiting for. And that will be fun to finally write a big battle after so long of not being able to.

And expect a lot of battles in this campaign, depending on what you choose.

XII Corps in Italy with whatever army King Joseph could scrape together with the help of Massena and MacDonald (if they haven't killed each other already). I assume XIII and XIV Corps are being stood up in France (maybe the south, near Italy in furtherance of WPE?) and will march to join with Joseph and Massena.

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The good news, Massena and MacDonald have not killed each other and Joseph is keeping them as far away from each other as possible. So we don't worry about that.

Even better news, Joseph has been building an Italian Corps. But they are ill-equipped, ill-trained, and ill-led.

It will take years to be anywhere near the French or even Austrian Counterparts.

So... Take that as what you will.

The question then becomes: can Napoleon get from Paris to Silesia by way of Italy fast enough to keep Charles from being cut off and isolated in the east?

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You're asking if Napoleon can cross all of Germany with speed to reach an ally at risk?

Who do you think he is, Alexander during the second coalition where he didn't even try?

Oh no my friend, he can do it.

The problem is, how many battles will delay him in fucking Prussia up?

No. We are not invading Russia. Nazi Germany couldn't do it in 1941, and neither can we.

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Well, we CAN invade Russia.

The problem is, why? It serves no strategic advantage to us whatsoever in fighting Alexander or the Russians on their home ground.

I mean seriously, Napoleon only invaded Russia when they fucked around and he needed them to find out. And failed.

Here... Well, let's just say... Russian aggression is not something he can afford to counter with his own right now.

He needs to secure things closer to home...

And can possibly weaken his rivals in central Europe by... Well... He certainly has some Polish support that wants their homeland back. Hell, they even want to form a Polish Legion. And perhaps he can convince the Emperor of Austria that a new state that serves as a buffer... could help.
Though the Austrians giving up a territory... That would be a very hard sell.

This situation you posed is the worst-case scenario. However, I don't think the Prussians are both organized enough or have the insight to consolidate their forces with the Russians and invade Austria. They are probably expecting a massive French invasion across the rhine and from what I remember of previous updates, War Plan Eagle was based on enemy intelligence on troop movements across the rhine that suggested that the Prussians were going to hold up at the Rhine river. They have new officers too so the overall command is shaky at best and I don't think the Prussians, or anyone in Europe really except Archduke Charles, got the memo of the way to fight napoleon is that you don't fight napoleon.

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Or however, in the Case of Archduke Charles...

Hold off the Russians or Prussians, until Napoleon, or his wife, who ever comes first, shows up to save your bacon.

I also don't see any reason for Denmark or Swedish to join the coalition. I'm pretty sure the Swedish hate the Russians (correct me if I'm wrong) and Denmark really doesn't have any motivations to join the coalition. Sweden only has a population of 3.4 million and Denmark has a population of only 2.4 million.

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Actually, Sweeden does have reason to join Russia in this coalition, for a very simple reason. One that is remarkably simple, when one thinks about it.

Russia just fucked the Ottomans into basically secondary power Status in one war, in less than two years.

That is a terrifying force that is a monolith currently, that is only getting strong with each passing year, at least in their minds. Especially when their navy is starting to roll up in the Black sea, and the wealth of the Mediterranean starts flowing in.

Fear of a Great power, doing what France and Britian are doing and bullying their neighbors into submission... Well, it might not all be true, but you can be damn sure that Alexander has much to bargain win, either in diplomacy or in force of arms.

f they join I can see the only contributing maybe like 30k men each if I were being optimistic. Any supply networks that can be gained by Denmark or Sweden joining is negated by how Russia can't really integrate supply chains with their allies.

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True.

But here is something that can help Russia. Their Baltic fleets. They may not integrate the supply lines, but it does secure their flanks from the ocean.

 

[Alexander Sturnn]

But here is something that can help Russia. Their Baltic fleets. They may not integrate the supply lines, but it does secure their flanks from the ocean.

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The Russian Baltic Fleet is also vastly inferior to the French Navy. And with Britain staying out of the War, there is nothing stopping us from sailing our Fleet, which escaped the last Wars completely undamaged, into the Baltic and blow them to smithereens.

...UNLESS the Russians get the Danes, who at this point also still have a powerful fleet, to either join the War or block the Danish Straits and the Öresund for our ships. Then we have a Problem.

 

[verysaltypenguin]

Shouldn't Britain be happy it's not spending any money for Russia to go to war? The whole point of Britain loaning money to other European countries was to get them to fight France. Russia is basically fighting France for free for them. Isn't this a win scenario for Britain? Or did Alexander really piss off and insult the British that much?

 

[Magoose]

Or did Alexander really piss off and insult the British that much?

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I mean he did basically steal their money and not do anything in the last war.

So... Take that as what you will.

 

[koushikb8768]

Nazi Germany couldn't do it in 1941,

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The Mongols did it

 

[Magoose]

The Mongols did it

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They were the Exceptions.

 

[Blazblade]

They were the Exceptions.

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Que Mongoltage!

 

[verysaltypenguin]

The Mongols did it

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Mongols did it while intervening into a heavily divided Russia that was undergoing a succession crisis. A united russia would not have fallen to the mongols.