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Shepard Quest Mk VII, Age of Revy (ME/MCU)

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Doccer said:
My understanding was that the Citadel could only lay claim to our shit if we failed to produce the amount they said we have to at the price they've set and fail to sell that amount.
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Ah; in that case I think what tri2 was trying to say is that if we patented Repulsors in Citadel space then we'd be selling Repulsors in Citadel space and the Alliance doesn't want anyone else getting them yet.

Doccer said:
Speaking of which why did they undo those restrictions and give Revy free reign?
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Production capacity. One of the requirements common to patent laws is a requirement that you actually produce the patented good in reasonable quantities at reasonable prices. Violating that can be grounds for your patent to be revoked. This is explicitly the case for the Citadel's patent law.

At the time we applied for the patent PI was a lot smaller company. 2173-Q2 PI had just a single Factory III operational and a grand total of 30,030 Production. Our products were also in very high demand so there was good reason to believe we wouldn't be able provide a reasonable supply.

Just over a year later in 2174-Q3 the situation was vastly different. Paragon Industries now had 21 Factory IIIs, 3 Space Factory Is, and 1 Space Factory II for a grand total of 4,530,030 Production. In other words our manufacturing capacity grew 150x. We also sold 2.5 million Arc Reactors that quarter; or over a dozen times our annual quota. At that point it was quite clear to everyone that any concerns about PI being able to provide reasonable supply of the Arc Reactor were outdated.
 
plus as far as I was aware, getting a patent required submitting all the technical data required to be able to check if a competitor is using your tech, ie undoing the black boxing protecting the tech from being analyzed in order to be compared, unless I am mistaken?
 
UberJJK said:
Ah; in that case I think what tri2 was trying to say is that if we patented Repulsors in Citadel space then we'd be selling Repulsors in Citadel space and the Alliance doesn't want anyone else getting them yet.
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Fair enough. What happens if someone figures out how to jury rig a repulsor from a Arc Reactor? Could they patent it in Citadel space in spite of us clearly making it first? And being arc reactor derived tech?
tri2 said:
plus as far as I was aware, getting a patent required submitting all the technical data required to be able to check if a competitor is using your tech, ie undoing the black boxing protecting the tech from being analyzed in order to be compared, unless I am mistaken?
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Which is only a real concern if non Citadel species have a way to get those blueprints?
I assume the Shadow Broker might buy/sell them but then again SB might be obligated to offer the council a protection fee to not do that.
Other than that I assume the Big 3 are already making their own, or trying to, on the downlow for their black ops and possibly Specters.
But for the mass market that patent gives us protection/control over anyone else that tries to produce them. And if we learn of it we can make sanctions against them and shut them down.
To me that patent is the best control we can get in the possibility of the Galaxy at large figuring out that tech. If Repulsors weren't so closely related to the Arc Reactors that are alreayout there I would not bother.
If I was voting back when the Arc Reactor patent issue came up I would have been on the fence till that Benezia interlude came up because that thing is the company's bread and butter. Without that tech firmly in control we have nothing. Unless there is some closely related tech to repulsors or arc reactors I am fine with no Citadel patent.

Is there a place that points out how much money we got? I am curious next we apparently didn't have enough to buy Planet R&D Funland Revy wanted.
 
I just had an idea to help with space. We are already using drones why not go a step forward. Build a mass producible suicide drone. These units only goals are to find targets, such as engines and primary weapons, and explode in a blaze of glory. They are designed to be fast and make a huge bang when they hit. I figure the batarians can't leverage their advantage if their ships are crippled. I'm not very good at writing so if someone else wants to formalize it in omake form go ahead.
 
Ancient One said:
I just had an idea to help with space. We are already using drones why not go a step forward. Build a mass producible suicide drone. These units only goals are to find targets, such as engines and primary weapons, and explode in a blaze of glory. They are designed to be fast and make a huge bang when they hit. I figure the batarians can't leverage their advantage if their ships are crippled. I'm not very good at writing so if someone else wants to formalize it in omake form go ahead.
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in order to get sufficient boom we would need to use antimatter warheads and we just cant produce enough antimatter cheap enough for that to be viable, also reusable space combat drones are generally better then single use space combat drones
 
Now that we have a mass producible model of the MK2 armor really want to see someone like Anderson on the battlefield wearing one of those. And while the SA may have been hesitant to buy our mechs imagine that they would be willing to buy a few MK2s for at least their most elite soldiers like Anderson and other N7s.

Also do agree that the Centurion sounds like a great name for the mass produced MK2 suit models.
 
Red Bovine said:
Now that we have a mass producible model of the MK2 armor really want to see someone like Anderson on the battlefield wearing one of those. And while the SA may have been hesitant to buy our mechs imagine that they would be willing to buy a few MK2s for at least their most elite soldiers like Anderson and other N7s.

Also do agree that the Centurion sounds like a great name for the mass produced MK2 suit models.
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The one described in the update is Revy's personal suit, do you wish to sell more of those as is, or would you like to dumb it down?
 
I really don't us to sell MK2s any time soon. We already pretty much have the ground game cornered and it's in space we're just lacking numbers. Need to keep some meaningful advantages to ourselves.
 
tri2 said:
plus as far as I was aware, getting a patent required submitting all the technical data required to be able to check if a competitor is using your tech, ie undoing the black boxing protecting the tech from being analyzed in order to be compared, unless I am mistaken?
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In an ideal world yeah that is how patents are supposed to work. In reality due to the difficulties in enforcing patents across national borders that doesn't tend to end up happening. Instead companies patent key components of their devices. So for example for the Arc-Reactor we might hold a patent on the accumulation chamber but nothing else. That way everyone knows how to make an accumulation chamber and how to identify it for infringement purposes but don't actually know how to build the rest of an Arc-Reactor. Theoretically then if someone somehow designed an Arc-Reactor lookalike that didn't use an accumulation chamber we wouldn't be able to claim infringement since the rest of the design isn't patented.

Given the existence of the Terminus Systems as a collection of rogue nations unwilling to be bound by Citadel law I'm quite certain similar legal loopholes exist here. Otherwise everyone would be buying cheap Terminus copies.
 
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tri2 said:
The one described in the update is Revy's personal suit, do you wish to sell more of those as is, or would you like to dumb it down?
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Hmm, I think a bit of both. A dumbed down version for the less elite versions as in everything below N7 and a suit around Revy's personal one for the N7s AKA the most elite units that humanity has along with only the most trusted and decorated soldiers getting the most powerful suits. Should also note that as is the current suit isn't even the most powerful we can make it considering that we can research things like Unobtanium for even stronger suits along with potentially artificial biotics and even biotic boosters.

LollipoPReapeR said:
I really don't us to sell MK2s any time soon. We already pretty much have the ground game cornered and it's in space we're just lacking numbers. Need to keep some meaningful advantages to ourselves.
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Going to have to disagree here. The Batarian's have shown that they are going to constantly improving their tech because they are perfectly aware of how bullshit Revy is and fully expect her to constantly be making new and better tech all the time. Which means they are playing a game of catch up all the time just to keep up with having any parity with the SA who is still more advanced than them. Because that's what Revy is doing all the time and they experienced it first hand several times already, they aren't stupid. It really shouldn't change anything so that argument doesn't make sense in my opinion.
 
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Despite what I said above I'm pretty sure the Arc Reactor is a full schematic patent simply because it was already released (within Alliance space and then leaked outwards) with weak BB/FRM. We'd also already seen signs people were making progress towards cracking it. So when it came towards patenting the Arc Reactor our primary concern was to keep someone from beating us to the punch and seizing the Citadel market rather then keeping design security.

For future product releases inside Citadel space we don't actually have to patent them. We can just rely upon our Blackboxing to keep the designs secret. Obviously we still can't sell anything that would be restricted, like Repuslors, as military technology but we also don't have to worry about all the issues that come with patenting our products.
 
UberJJK said:
In an ideal world yeah that is how patents are supposed to work. In reality due to the difficulties in enforcing patents across national borders that doesn't tend to end up happening. Instead companies patent key components of their devices. So for example for the Arc-Reactor we might hold a patent on the accumulation chamber but nothing else. That way everyone knows how to make an accumulation chamber and how to identify it for infringement purposes but don't actually know how to build the rest of an Arc-Reactor. Theoretically then if someone somehow designed an Arc-Reactor lookalike that didn't use an accumulation chamber we wouldn't be able to claim infringement since the rest of the design isn't patented.

Given the existence of the Terminus Systems as a collection of rogue nations unwilling to be bound by Citadel law I'm quite certain similar legal loopholes exist here. Otherwise everyone would be buying cheap Terminus copies.
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To be fair I'm not sure if that would apply to the Citadel races since IIRC Citadel space has more uniform laws. A galactic civilization that has been around for 2000 years may have tweeked their laws to better take this kind of thing into account.
 
Red Bovine said:
To be fair I'm not sure if that would apply to the Citadel races since IIRC Citadel space has more uniform laws. A galactic civilization that has been around for 2000 years may have tweeked their laws to better take this kind of thing into account.
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You did see my mention of the Terminus systems right? Just because the Citadel has coherent cross-national patent laws does nothing to stop a factory out in the Terminus pumping out patented hardware and selling it cheap since they are skipping out on the R&D costs. Border security isn't going to be really helpful given the sheer volume of goods, massive array of (space)ports, and the level of investigation required to determine if X was made in an official factory or not since they'd be almost identical. If anything I'd expect them to have developed very robust methods of bypassing these flaws due to centuries of hostile neighbors perfectly willing to infringe upon patent designs.
 
Ancient One said:
I just had an idea to help with space. We are already using drones why not go a step forward. Build a mass producible suicide drone. These units only goals are to find targets, such as engines and primary weapons, and explode in a blaze of glory. They are designed to be fast and make a huge bang when they hit. I figure the batarians can't leverage their advantage if their ships are crippled. I'm not very good at writing so if someone else wants to formalize it in omake form go ahead.
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We already have those as micromissiles.
Remember when Revy was creating them and specifically mentioned making thrusters that explode?
I don't see why we can't upscale them.
@tri2 What about a Jericho missile like the opening of the Iron Man movie? Fir some reason I remember it had to do something with the repulsor technology.

LollipoPReapeR said:
At this point, we're better off researching stronger/smarter missiles.
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Last I knew we did. Right now we need to research better/stronger armor. Then we can research stronger/smarter missiles.
 
tri2 said:
The one described in the update is Revy's personal suit, do you wish to sell more of those as is, or would you like to dumb it down?
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I'm okay with putting the Revy-grade suit on the market - I'm not worried about keeping that tech 'in-house' or anything - but I suspect we'll get better mass-market results if we spend the time to come up with a mass-production version that's a bit lower down on the price/performance curve.
 
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Not the triangle arc reactor. As for the rest of the suit? I am on the fence. I'd like Revy to keep something for herself if she gets attacked. Batarians and Reapers can't prepare well if they don't have anything to prepare too.
Right now I am wondering how that Reaper is feeling. They can't be happy with Revy just puking all this new tech out and about. But on the other hand that more advanced tech they give the Batarians the better prepared the galaxy will be for them. Yet on another hand the longer this goes on the more the armies are gonna ramp up.

w34v3r said:
I don't think most people could handle the full Revy.
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Full Revy?! You never go full Revy fool!
 
Doccer said:
Not the triangle arc reactor. As for the rest of the suit? I am on the fence. I'd like Revy to keep something for herself if she gets attacked. Batarians and Reapers can't prepare well if they don't have anything to prepare too.
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Pointed this out already but the Batarian's did show up with a super suit that could have given a MK2 a run for their money. A more advanced suit is something they'd likely already expect from Revy.
 
Red Bovine said:
Pointed this out already but the Batarian's did show up with a super suit that could have given a MK2 a run for their money. A more advanced suit is something they'd likely already expect from Revy.
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They won't have exact counters if it isn't public. Sure it can give a run for her money but do they know specifically what to expect. You want to keep up a fog of war especially when the enemy is doing the same.
 
Darkcore41 said:
They won't have exact counters if it isn't public. Sure it can give a run for her money but do they know specifically what to expect. You want to keep up a fog of war especially when the enemy is doing the same.
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A better suit overall isn't really remotely surprising. This is what I mean with people being unreasonably paranoid. Seriously, Revy's thing includes making better versions of things she already made and the MK1.5 was an overall improvement to the original suit she used the first time.
 
Red Bovine said:
A better suit overall isn't really remotely surprising. This is what I mean with people being unreasonably paranoid. Seriously, Revy's thing includes making better versions of things she already made and the MK1.5 was an overall improvement to the original suit she used the first time.
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The issue isn't a new suit being surprising but the tech in said suit. For example do we know what the Reapers are loading in their suits even though we expect them to have an updated version next fight? No we don't so we can't create something to counter it specifically only build a general suit to prepare for everything or a bunch of specialized suits.

Just because villians expect tony Stark to have a new suit doesn't mean they'll know it's features.


Edit: For example it's new armor mixture. In not sure if we released that on the market but if it is they could continue fire tests to figure out what hits hardest. It's why Reapers keep their tech secret and trapped. If you don't know what your fighting and only know your out teched then you can't prepare for it.

Reapers were using plasma beams and the mass effect shields weren't worth anything. If they had more specifics then just more advanced then the council could have prepared better.
 
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Darkcore41 said:
The issue isn't a new suit being surprising but the tech in said suit. For example do we know what the Reapers are loading in their suits even though we expect them to have an updated version next fight? No we don't so we can't create something to counter it specifically only build a general suit to prepare for everything or a bunch of specialized suits.

Just because villians expect tony Stark to have a new suit doesn't mean they'll know it's features.


Edit: For example it's new armor mixture. In not sure if we released that on the market but if it is they could continue fire tests to figure out what hits hardest. It's why Reapers keep their tech secret and trapped. If you don't know what your fighting and only know your out teched then you can't prepare for it.

Reapers were using plasma beams and the mass effect shields weren't worth anything. If they had more specifics then just more advanced then the council could have prepared better.
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Okay that's a terrible argument. It's an overall improvement on things that it was already good at! Besides that it doesn't work like that, seriously it really doesn't. Just look at how we do things, we make weapons that work against everything. We don't go 'Hey, let's spend colossal amounts time and energy to counter one thing specifically instead of many different enemies.' Because it makes no sense, for example we have lasers and kinetic weapons meant to work on everything.

In fact it would be terminally stupid of the Batarian's to be trying to counter one thing in their position. I mean for gods sake, they are going up against Revy who has consistently shown to be able to make numerous amounts of new tech in just a few months.

Really, if I was the Batarian's I'd view it as absolutely idiotic to try to counter one single thing and instead go for overall effectiveness. If I was the Batarian's and I saw the MK2 suit you'd know what I'd do? The exact same thing I was doing and just making as many weapons and technology as feasibly possible. It would change zero things since the Batarian's are already trying to keep parity with the SA who has Revy and already way more advanced then them.
 
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