Shepard Quest Mk VII, Age of Revy (ME/MCU)

Tazered said:

Is the TIR the system where you risk cooking yourself in radiation if it's left on too long?

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Not radiation, not unless all ships are extremely radioactive and nobody mentioned this.
Heat? Given that canonically space ships produce so little they're able to deal with its build up with just a couple of radiator fans, and the buildup of static electricity is more of a problem for non arc reactor powered ships... maybe if too long means months at a time. Until you switch them off and rapidly radiate it all. Or until we develop the thermal annihilator, at which point it permanently becomes not a problem.

Dark as Silver said:

Given that canonically space ships produce so little they're able to deal with its build up with just a couple of radiator fans, and the buildup of static electricity is more of a problem for non arc reactor powered ships... maybe if too long means months at a time.

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Heat management is a major issue in combat:

Heat limits the length and intensity of ship-to-ship combat. Starships generate enormous heat when they fire high-energy weapons, perform maneuvering burns, and run on-board combat electronics.

In combat, warships produce heat more quickly than they can disperse it. As heat builds within a vessel, the crewed spaces become increasingly uncomfortable. Before the heat reaches lethal levels, a ship must win or retreat by entering FTL. After an FTL run, the ships halts, shuts down non-essential systems, and activates the heat radiation gear.

Combat endurance varies by ship design and by the battle's location. Battles in the deep cold of interstellar space can go on for some time. Engagements close to a star are brief. Since habitable worlds are usually close to a star, battles over them are usually more frantic.

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Given that is with droplet heat sinks providing a 10x to 100x increase over radiator strips and we are talking about dropping to zero radiation it could actually be a serious problem. I say zero because any heat radiated would hit the inner wall of the TIR shield and bounce back into the ship which effectively cancels out any thermal radiation.

UberJJK said:

Heat management is a major issue in combat:

Given that is with droplet heat sinks providing a 10x to 100x increase over radiator strips and we are talking about dropping to zero radiation it could actually be a serious problem. I say zero because any heat radiated would hit the inner wall of the TIR shield and bounce back into the ship which effectively cancels out any thermal radiation.

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The ship doesn't technically drop to zero, it'll continue to radiate until its absorbing as much from space as its emitting then things get bad. Its also probably not performing evasive manoeuvres or firing weapons while the TIR is up (you know, since its blind) meaning is more like a pause in heat accumulation rather than an acceleration.
However the other thing that matters here is how long is combat and how much can a ship naturally radiate over that period.
If over an average naval engagement normal heat radiation is 50% ((which either indicates extremely long engagements or extremely high heating and cooling rates, if its the latter I'd expect to see naval warfare consist of ships cycling in and out of system as waves to allow others to cool) of what would be generated then TIR might halve the effective engagement duration of a ship, I'd happily bet that fighting an opponent with a UV laser would shorten a ships life expectancy more than that if TIR isn't around.
If heat radiation is a lower % of what is accumulated over the course of a battle (which I consider far more likely) the over heating effects of a TIR shield become significantly less pronounced.

Inbetweenaction said:

a very reasonable reasoning. The only real counterpoint would be that Tony's system was designed to be easier to bring everywhere, and then kilos start to matter more. But seeing how we have a reasonable extra risk of being spaced when our meeting rooms get shot up, a few kilos extra is a good trade of. We are also risking way heavier guns then Tony would ever reasonably expect, so not going ultra thin on the armor just makes sense.

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In the MCU Tony's Mark 2 was able to tank tanks but by the time civil war came around his suit could barely stand up to 2 guys beating him up. Two supersoldiers with a mechanical arm and a Vibratium shield but still only peak human. So compactibility and ease/speed of putting on/off at the cost defense.
Maybe we should work on an emergency undersuit for us and our lives ones?

You know with our missile miniaturization ability maybe we can make a R.Y.N.O.?
Or The R.Y.N.O. Drone:Why have someone pilot it when you can just stuff more missiles!

tri2 said:

dammit I need a reminder, Revy is aware of something destroying the protheans, but she is not aware they are reapers specifically or about indoctrination right?

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She's aware of something powerful destroyed them all. And wondered if the Warhammer 40K makers were on to something.

@tri2
I can see that like Tony Stark, Revy also has a internal fear if people stealing her stuff. Personally I see Revy patenting her Arc reactors in Citadel space out if fear that as much as she wants her shit to stay in human hands but knows that with multiple species working hard enough, and especially if anyone manages to steal her stuff, then other species will steal her shit. And if they do that they WILL patent it as 'their own work' ans there goes her hold over the arc reactors. Same with the repulsors. It was only a matter of time. At least now she can control how openly their inferior versions are used. And if she can patent the repulsors before too long then she can control those too.
This of course feeds into her black boxing. She went way more overboard than what anyone else would have done to keep her tech her own.
Which can be extended further with the mind shields @tri2 ! What do you supposed would happen if an Asari information gatherer came in and did a mind mepd to get Revy's genius!? Asari can aquire information thru mind melds so it wouldn't surprise me if some section of Asari Black Ops entire job consisted of finding intelligent members of other species and "Embraced Eternity" with them to find information or get access codes to certain sensitive information. Ergo a mind shield! This would also make the high DC on a Liara date understandable when you compare it to going on dates with Brian. He was human! No information risk at all!
I agree with this:

Darkcore41 said:

Edit2: Maybe we should create a protean converter so people don't have to meld to get tech off beacons. It'll convert their visions to computer code.

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dude author dude every one kick ass work on the chap yall it is very fun to read

How many chapters till it's vote time again? This is my first time watching the chapters being released.

tri2 said:

"Good Morning Mother."

"Welcome Back." Revy said with a fond smile at her child before her mind processed what she just said.

"Wait? Mother!?"

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When you accidentally yourself into motherhood!

Didn't Revy talk to sovereign over her mind machine interface when he was hacking her system. She turned it off but didn't she catch a glimpse? If she did the fact she doesn't know that it was a reaper shows she doesn't know what they look like.

Darkcore41 said:

Didn't Revy talk to sovereign over her mind machine interface when he was hacking her system. She turned it off but didn't she catch a glimpse? If she did the fact she doesn't know that it was a reaper shows she doesn't know what they look like.

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He only showed up as a ball of red static:

Hoyr said:

The virtual space loads quickly. The server for this space seems to use as little bandwidth as possible. You load into an open city with tall gray metal buildings. However the style doesn't match any that you know of the blue and green luminous highlights are not something you can recall from any race or location. The presence of small open decks on the side of some of the skyscrapers and other tall buildings stands out as well.

Sadly the low bandwidth means that you are missing most of the art assets. Many objects around you are represented by polygons covered in either red or black and white static . Which sadly ruins the beauty of the city. It probably looks quite nice when the art is available.

You try to calm yourself as you look around. In front of you is a sphere covered by red static. The sphere spins as you hear a voice, "Welcome Progresser child. Flawed as you are, you are interesting to us."

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so no luck there either way.

Darkcore41 said:

Didn't Revy talk to sovereign over her mind machine interface when he was hacking her system. She turned it off but didn't she catch a glimpse? If she did the fact she doesn't know that it was a reaper shows she doesn't know what they look like.

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Do we know for a fact that is was Nazara?

UberJJK said:

He only showed up as a ball of red static:

so no luck there either way.

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I wish we had at least talked to it. Gotten something to act as a jumping off point to go after tech. Especially tech that only makes sense as an OOC at the moment.

Doccer said:

@tri2
I can see that like Tony Stark, Revy also has a internal fear if people stealing her stuff. Personally I see Revy patenting her Arc reactors in Citadel space out if fear that as much as she wants her shit to stay in human hands but knows that with multiple species working hard enough, and especially if anyone manages to steal her stuff, then other species will steal her shit. And if they do that they WILL patent it as 'their own work' ans there goes her hold over the arc reactors. Same with the repulsors. It was only a matter of time. At least now she can control how openly their inferior versions are used. And if she can patent the repulsors before too long then she can control those too.
This of course feeds into her black boxing. She went way more overboard than what anyone else would have done to keep her tech her own.
Which can be extended further with the mind shields @tri2 ! What do you supposed would happen if an Asari information gatherer came in and did a mind mepd to get Revy's genius!? Asari can aquire information thru mind melds so it wouldn't surprise me if some section of Asari Black Ops entire job consisted of finding intelligent members of other species and "Embraced Eternity" with them to find information or get access codes to certain sensitive information. Ergo a mind shield! This would also make the high DC on a Liara date understandable when you compare it to going on dates with Brian. He was human! No information risk at all!
I agree with this:

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Strongly disagree here. Revy has been consistent in her views that aliens and humans are all equal. Her being worried about her tech falling into the wrong hands included everyone including humans. In fact the players have been shown to extremely reluctant to share tech with anyone and that includes human companies. There was a reason that players wanted to black box our tech before we started giving out patents.

Revy isn't xenophobic and in fact has several aliens working with her she likely gets along with pretty well and in fact tried to hire more of them for her merc group.

[X] Yes, donate the planetary defenses
[X] Yes, sell UV lasers to customers
[X] Keep Cortana name
[X] Default Halo Cortana

Dark as Silver said:

Not radiation, not unless all ships are extremely radioactive and nobody mentioned this.
Heat? Given that canonically space ships produce so little they're able to deal with its build up with just a couple of radiator fans, and the buildup of static electricity is more of a problem for non arc reactor powered ships... maybe if too long means months at a time. Until you switch them off and rapidly radiate it all. Or until we develop the thermal annihilator, at which point it permanently becomes not a problem.

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From what I remember the TIR was proposed as a stealth system. The guy who put it up originally went into a lot of technical discussions about how the physics of it would work. What I took away from it in layman speech was that the system accumulated all forms of radiant energy which over time would cook what was inside of it but for a time it would basically be optical stealth in space.

Edit: TIR - Total Internal Reflection - from what I remember it was a specially configured ME shield system which warped space so that radiant energy would be trapped within it. Light could come in but light from inside would be reflected. It would have allowed for stealth but caused an accumulation of radiant energy.

Tazered said:

From what I remember the TIR was proposed as a stealth system. The guy who put it up originally went into a lot of technical discussions about how the physics of it would work. What I took away from it in layman speech was that the system accumulated all forms of radiant energy which over time would cook what was inside of it but for a time it would basically be optical stealth in space.

Edit: TIR - Total Internal Reflection - from what I remember it was a specially configured ME shield system which warped space so that radiant energy would be trapped within it. Light could come in but light from inside would be reflected. It would have allowed for stealth but caused an accumulation of radiant energy.

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According to the research tab, the fields are mainly for stealth reasons, but will help reduce laser damage in a pinch as well.

[X] Yes, donate the planetary defenses

honestly even though this is a bad choice financially, i see it as more of a bribe for us building our factories and stations without issue.

[X] Keep Cortana name

Red Bovine said:

Strongly disagree here. Revy has been consistent in her views that aliens and humans are all equal. Her being worried about her tech falling into the wrong hands included everyone including humans. In fact the players have been shown to extremely reluctant to share tech with anyone and that includes human companies. There was a reason that players wanted to black box our tech before we started giving out patents.

Revy isn't xenophobic and in fact has several aliens working with her she likely gets along with pretty well and in fact tried to hire more of them for her merc group.

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Don't see what there is to disagree about?
And I never said she was xenophobic. Please stop putting words in my posts or this is going to be that 'time travel' bullshit you tried making people think I was spouting all over again.
Just because she doesn't want them to fall into alien hands doesn't mean she's ok with them falling into anyone's hands. Hence trying to do them as in house as possible. And black boxing them to the stars and back. Heh see what I did there? I made a funny!

The only difference is that her patent in human territory doesn't mean shit in Citadel space. A official patent is the only way to control their release on a large scale.
If you wanna talk about OOC player decisions. The only reason she was made to get a Citadel patent was because of that interlude having Benezia have her High priestess underling put extra effort into looking up Arc Reactors in the Prothean Database Statue which meant that if Protheans already invented them then the timetables had to be sped up to patent the arc reactors in Citadel space before the Asari could.
And because repulsors are supposed to be a natural build from arc reactors there needed to be a Citadel patent their too. Though I don't think we do as of yet.
For everything else we sell in Human space to humans. And that is ok! Humans are the new comers to other space and we have alot to prove to the rest of the Galaxy that we have what it takes to stand shoulder to shoulder with even the big 3. That we aren't gonna disappear with the hundreds of random and forgettable aliens that are merely background noise. There's nothing wrong with keeping our talents and inventions to ourselves. These are what makes us special and able to stand out amoung the background species. To let them spread out before our species is established just means everyone else can do that too on top of what they got. And we get crushed as time passes.
That's no more xenophobic than it is to have a phobia of other businesses.
If she is xenophobic then it's largely just Batarians. She has chosen 'if you can't say anything nice then don't say anything at all' when ever asked about them. And she's done a good job not letting that get out of hand with other aliens. OOC players just wanted Liara and Mordin and even in story people have made sure Revy understood the dangers of hiring other species. Especially Liara with her mother being who she is. So we got the background checks thing going on.

Do we have a repulsor patent in Citadel space @tri2 ? If the Alliance is still saying no we should inform them how easy it would be to reverse engineer so long as you have an arc reactor and ask them how long they wanna risk someone else getting a Citadel patent on it.

The problem is people can't differentiate the difference between the country and the people in mass effect. It doesn't help that for the most part most races stay in their own corners. It's like saying Ashley is racist in ME2 when she's just a patriot.

Edit: She has her paramilitary license in SA, has her inventions toward SA military, provides bases and defences on SA planets and was going to buy a planet in SA space. Most of the things she has done is patriotic. Makes sense with military parents.

The humanitarian stuff has been on the side but for the most part Revy has been SA first. She's Howard Stark not Tony Stark.

Portec said:

@tri2
I want to propose a tech in the shipbuilding tree!

Article:

[] Mothership
The heart of the fleet. An indipended beginning wherever one reaches. A dream of exploring new galaxies. Something practicality has teached as impossible. On paper it is possible to design a ship that can be all of these things but the thought experiments end with ships projected to be the size of Omega. You are sure that putting it all into a dreadnaught frame is not possible but Quarians show that it is possible with far less.

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It would mainly unlock the requirements to build one. But it would be really cool!

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I'd rather have Salvage Corvettes~

You know someone brought up getting the Alliance to allow us to make a dreadnought. I say we make a frigate. Then load it up till it only goes the line in the strictest technical sense.
Now that we built the MK II can we build stripped down versions? If it does what you say it can do them would it not be a good idea to emergency escape suits to replace escape pods? Or would it be better to make stripped down tanks as escape pods? Suits that can find you and seal you in a mobile suit verses compact pods that line up and unfold as people pile in?

Darkcore41 said:

Ashley is racist in ME2 when she's just a patriot.

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I would say that Ashley is specieist. Or at least strongly leaning that way. Both in the way she says certain things and especially how she talks to aliens. Like in the ME1 round table meetings she tends to get out of line a bit and talking down Liara fir instance. She gets better farther along the ME timeline if she lives but it takes awhile.

Doccer said:

Now that we built the MK II can we build stripped down versions? If it does what you say it can do them would it not be a good idea to emergency escape suits to replace escape pods? Or would it be better to make stripped down tanks as escape pods? Suits that can find you and seal you in a mobile suit verses compact pods that line up and unfold as people pile in?

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I personally a little bit of both would work, not everyone is going to be in one location, the suits hunt down a person, if they are trapped? Use its arsenal to cut its way to you. The pod be useful for in bulk but is otherwise unremarkable. If anything I think we should make a car, capable of hovering like normal cars, but is space capable.

Edit: When you think about it, everyone with a spaceship means there wont be a need for such pods.

Doccer said:

Do we have a repulsor patent in Citadel space @tri2 ? If the Alliance is still saying no we should inform them how easy it would be to reverse engineer so long as you have an arc reactor and ask them how long they wanna risk someone else getting a Citadel patent on it.

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As of yet? No, as that would basically allow Citadel to produce Repulsors and the SA do not want repulsors getting out yet.

Darkcore41 said:

The problem is people can't differentiate the difference between the country and the people in mass effect. It doesn't help that for the most part most races stay in their own corners. It's like saying Ashley is racist in ME2 when she's just a patriot.

Edit: She has her paramilitary license in SA, has her inventions toward SA military, provides bases and defences on SA planets and was going to buy a planet in SA space. Most of the things she has done is patriotic. Makes sense with military parents.

The humanitarian stuff has been on the side but for the most part Revy has been SA first. She's Howard Stark not Tony Stark.

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No, Revy is literally meant to be Tony Stark of the Mass Effect verse and previous writers have confirmed it to be so. But on the topic no one is saying that it's wrong to put your country first, the issue that people have is being assholes about it and going into the worst past of HFY territory. And to be clear HFY isn't necessarily bad, it's just that too many people take into insufferable levels to the point that people grow absolutely sick of it.

As mentioned no one really has issues putting the SA first. It's just annoying when it turns into us against them and making that suddenly it's due to Revy having issues with aliens when we played her specifically to not care that much about it- and I should know since I re-read the entire quest a few weeks ago.

As for Ashley this is ironically a good point, notice that we have actual Cerberus team members that people don't consider racist despite being part of Cerberus. To be fair this is due to TIM specifically picking the most sympathetic members who really were there because they believed in putting humanity first without being racist about it. And I would say that Ashley is definitely racist in at least the first game but is actually pretty mild about it and it's implied that it's due to her overcompensating due to her families background. One can be a patriot and racist and you can also be patriotic without being racist about it.

Another reminder is that Revy originally wanted to start a company mostly because she wanted to science first and only then went beyond that with helping people in general. I'd say her motivation above all is just doing science because it's awesome and her wanting to help people just guides how she uses what she gains from said science.

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Feel like I should say while it wasn't intentional it did feel like you were suggesting that Revy was more anti alien than let on despite this not making sense with how we played her. Like you pretty much implied that Revy was missing her dates with Liara because she was an alien and not say due to the real issue of them both being extremely busy and it being a long distance relationship which was literally one of the main reasons that people decided to end the relationship with Brian.

Again I will say Revy doesn't have any issue with sharing tech with aliens and is shown to be perfectly willing to if it's not the high tier weapons. She's just cautious with her tech in regards to absolutely everyone which fits with her counterpart Tony Stark who was also extremely distrustful of handing out any of his tech besides stuff like the Arc Reactor.

Like really, we are already hiring alien researchers and many have repeatedly voted to date an alien.

[X] Yes, donate the planetary defenses
[X] Yes, sell UV lasers to customers
[X] Keep Cortana name
[X] Default Halo Cortana

tri2 said:

As of yet? No, as that would basically allow Citadel to produce Repulsors and the SA do not want repulsors getting out yet.

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I thought patents kept us being the only makers and sellers? If not then why haven't I heard of the Citadel making their own? Why have the Prothean knockoff Arc Reactors been built? And what is to stop them from figuring out the repulsors anyway? And don't say it's the black boxing. That was alot weaker when we sold the first few hundred thousands. They most certainly have been working on reverse engineering those alliance the beginning.

Red Bovine said:

Like you pretty much implied that Revy was missing her dates with Liara because she was an alien and not say due

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Thank you.
Ah. That was a bad joke aimed at any Tony Stark level paranoia Revy might consciously/unconiously have. Which if you told Tony about these hit alien babes he'd be yes plz! But then told him about the mind meld info sharing he'd back off.
She does have issues with selling tech to anyone but humans. Otherwise she'd sell more than the arc reactors to them. Which as far as I know she still sells at the original prices and amount set by the Council. The Hangar are just because it's against these galaxy enders. Which I can see her obsessing about like Tony did after seeing Wanda's visions.

Doccer said:

I thought patents kept us being the only makers and sellers? If not then why haven't I heard of the Citadel making their own? Why have the Prothean knockoff Arc Reactors been built? And what is to stop them from figuring out the repulsors anyway? And don't say it's the black boxing. That was alot weaker when we sold the first few hundred thousands. They most certainly have been working on reverse engineering those alliance the beginning.

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would only really stop law abiding people, not people like criminals or enemies of the state like Batarians.

tri2 said:

would only really stop law abiding people, not people like criminals or enemies of the state like Batarians.

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Well obviously. But I thought you were referring to Citadel species.
How would the Batarians and what not get access to blueprints to repulsors and arc reactors?