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Controversial gaming opinion: video games are good.
What are controversial gaming opinions you have?
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The movie has obvious flaws in its writing though, and yes I didn't play VII first, I played IV first for the DS, and worked my way up. I do own the release of VII on my PC and Android though.
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My suggestion to you is that you don't attempt to present others as not having played something, or not having paid attention, just because they don't agree with your assessment. I played through FFVII three times before you even touched the franchise lol
ZerbanDaGreat
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What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated SOLDIER 1st Class, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on AVALANCHE, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top fighter in the entire SOLDIER group. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Gaia, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Worldwide Network? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the Midgar area and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the Weapon, maggot. The Diamond Weapon that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire Materia arsenal of the Shinra Electric Power Company and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.
you ain't shit as a final fantasy fan unless you can tell me what deepground is
you ain't shit as a final fantasy fan unless you can tell me what deepground is
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I can't believe you actually made a SOLDIER copypasta.
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Given that you claimed in an earlier statement that a majority Final Fantasy VII was white noise, I find it curious you'd play a game you didn't care about three times.
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That sounds similar to that enclave call you can make in Fallout 2
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Because I was a kid.
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You do realize that video games also have this thing called 'gameplay', whereby even someone clicking 'skip' on every cutscene (or wishing the game allowed such) might enjoy playing through it multiple times, yes?
Many of my favorite games from a gameplay perspective have sincerely terrible plots, or at least forgettable ones.
Like Battletanx and it's sequel, Battletanx: Global Assault. The plots are dumb. The gameplay was fantastic.
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Controversial Opinion: I have liked every FF game I've played, even the bad ones like FFVIII. They are generally competently made games with superb music, the new battle systems in each game keeps things fresh and the stories tend to be at least okay.
As for VII, you would think the most obviously anti-capitalist JRPG of all time would be beloved on here.
And XIII had Snow and Hope, who I liked a lot.
In fact, there are only two or three games I loathe, largely due to expectations and disappointment:
Star Ocean: Till the End of Time. It was garbage and not fun or interesting yet I heard for years it was great.
Metal Gear Solid 4. Because I was the biggest MGS nerd for years and years and then Kojima took a dump on my face. Even then, I've comet o like aspects of it.
Xenosaga Episode II. Episode 1 was one of my first JRPGs and I love it to death. Then Episode II changed literally everything I loved about 1, offered no answers to the questions 1 left me with, and overall just made everything worse without delivering anything good.
But, usually, I can find enjoyment in just about any game.
As for VII, you would think the most obviously anti-capitalist JRPG of all time would be beloved on here.
And XIII had Snow and Hope, who I liked a lot.
In fact, there are only two or three games I loathe, largely due to expectations and disappointment:
Star Ocean: Till the End of Time. It was garbage and not fun or interesting yet I heard for years it was great.
Metal Gear Solid 4. Because I was the biggest MGS nerd for years and years and then Kojima took a dump on my face. Even then, I've comet o like aspects of it.
Xenosaga Episode II. Episode 1 was one of my first JRPGs and I love it to death. Then Episode II changed literally everything I loved about 1, offered no answers to the questions 1 left me with, and overall just made everything worse without delivering anything good.
But, usually, I can find enjoyment in just about any game.
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I liked Snow because I could tell from the start that a lot of his big arrogant hero thing was an act he put on to try to inspire his comrades, not because it's the best way to do so, but just because it's the only way he knows how. This gets explicitly spelled out in a scene later with Hope, which confirmed my guess.
In other words, Snow is the one character in the party who tries to make things better, rather than wallowing in their personal melodrama and angst. He doesn't actually think he'll succeed, but he has to try to act like he does, to convince himself as much as others.
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All the characters in FFXIII are really interesting in the way that you can see them visibly screwing up and recognising it. Lightning sweating because her attempt to keep Hope focused made him obsessed with murdering Snow is both suitably dramatic and genuinely pretty funny.
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Hey so, another grumpy old man here with lots of hours in FF7, because I like making numbers go up.
'white noise' is an accurate descriptor of much of the gameplay time and no small portion of the plot. Even the best put together piece of the game -- Midgar through to Corel -- has unnecessary, occasionally thoroughly skeevy, bits all over.
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But RPGS also have this thing called 'story' which is also important? If someone calls most of the game 'White Noise' then they're practically saying most of the game is useless, which includes the 'gameplay' as well.
Many of my favorite games from a gameplay perspective have sincerely terrible plots, or at least forgettable ones
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Games should be made for the audience that plays them. Someone like you described is not the target audience of a JRPG. If you aren't there for the writing and fantasy elements, you've bought the wrong game. What you're doing is the as me insisting that the next Madden include a quest and XP system, and sideplots where the players overcome their inner demons.
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That is rather completely irrelevant to the possibility that someone might enjoy a JRPG for the gameplay.
Like. I have played a number of Final Fantasy games. The plots, to me personally, were usually one of 'eh', 'what the f-!?' or 'bleh'. Final Fantasy V being the main exception out of the ones I've personally played.
But I completed them because of the gameplay. How they are marketed/targeted is completely irrelevant to the possibility of enjoying the gameplay while being 'meh' or worse on the plot.
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To expand a little here, I don't think FFVII is bad. The only mainline Fifan which is actually bad is II, and purely because its mechanics are just abysmal. I'm excited to play the remake and I was blown away when it was announced. I didn't put a couple of hundred hours into the Compilation because I hate it. But I do think that FFVII is overrated and, thinking about it after foamy phrased it this way, I think its popularity has had a distorting effect on the franchise.
I think it's a game that mainly coasts on the atmosphere of its prologue. With the exception of the Sector 6 stuff, its a gritty cyberfantasy set inside one of the most striking locations in a video game. You play a cocky mercenary hanging out with ecoterrorists, fighting a megacorporation. There are heists and infiltrations. You creep through bloodsoaked hallways in the silent aftermath of mass murder. You escape on a motorcycle while chopping at pursuers with a huge sword.
After the escape you go through a moody flashback where you learn about your antagonist, and you follow up that with a resolution to chase after a man who is essentially introduced killing everything in his path, an introduction punctuated, like an exclamation mark, by an unkillable monster impaled on a tree. It was incredible stuff. Kid me was just having his mind blown all through that. But most of what comes after is a lot worse.
There are some really incredible moments peppered through FFVII, from the events at Mt. Corel to the attack of Diamond WEAPON to, obviously, Aerith's death. But the stretches between those moments get longer and longer and sometimes, a lot of the time, you're just spinning your wheels. Very occasionally you are required to take actions for literally no reason, as in the Huge Materia subplot. Think about how irrelevant Red and Cait Sith are despite being main party members.
Every JRPG has downtime, but FFVII really stands out to me compared to other games in the franchise in that it often felt directionless, despite having "the man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed" as its main plot hook. It's just not all that tightly constructed, and I think that both Advent Children and Crisis Core do better with the material. Not Dirge of Cerberus though lol
I think it's a game that mainly coasts on the atmosphere of its prologue. With the exception of the Sector 6 stuff, its a gritty cyberfantasy set inside one of the most striking locations in a video game. You play a cocky mercenary hanging out with ecoterrorists, fighting a megacorporation. There are heists and infiltrations. You creep through bloodsoaked hallways in the silent aftermath of mass murder. You escape on a motorcycle while chopping at pursuers with a huge sword.
After the escape you go through a moody flashback where you learn about your antagonist, and you follow up that with a resolution to chase after a man who is essentially introduced killing everything in his path, an introduction punctuated, like an exclamation mark, by an unkillable monster impaled on a tree. It was incredible stuff. Kid me was just having his mind blown all through that. But most of what comes after is a lot worse.
There are some really incredible moments peppered through FFVII, from the events at Mt. Corel to the attack of Diamond WEAPON to, obviously, Aerith's death. But the stretches between those moments get longer and longer and sometimes, a lot of the time, you're just spinning your wheels. Very occasionally you are required to take actions for literally no reason, as in the Huge Materia subplot. Think about how irrelevant Red and Cait Sith are despite being main party members.
Every JRPG has downtime, but FFVII really stands out to me compared to other games in the franchise in that it often felt directionless, despite having "the man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed" as its main plot hook. It's just not all that tightly constructed, and I think that both Advent Children and Crisis Core do better with the material. Not Dirge of Cerberus though lol
ZerbanDaGreat
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You didn't like the part where the heroine hacked the Lifestream with the Internet?
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What, you mean you're not in favor of ignoring your foes in favor of beating on your allies in order to gain infinite power?
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please don't remind me
please don't remind me
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wait, you actually managed to finish FF7?
Please, please tell me, how the hell do you get out from the desert under the casino place?
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You... Win a chocobo race, I think? And you might also need to murder Barrett's former best friend.
It's been a long while.
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I contest this only because the PC version is abysmal. Strange considering that both the prequel and the sequel are decent, if really barebone, ports.
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But I feel the lack of direction benefits Final Fantasy VII. Cloud and his group know that Rufus and Sephiroth are evil, they know that Sephiroth needs to die soon, but other than that they don't exactly know what to do. They don't have all the answers, which is why each city and dungeon are important to the cast so they can at least get some shred of an idea of what to do next, and it gives you some insight to VII's world and its rules. You learn more about how the people go about living their lives under the control of Shinra, and it's through those moments that VII's message is made clear. Red and Cait Sith are more of an example for VII's theme, it shows how far people can go with technology to mess with nature for their own goals.
Advent Children screams in your face information that's obvious to everyone but to the protagonists, along with flowery language that doesn't benefit the movie at all. Also what is Advent Children's message? Don't let the past control your future? But didn't VII already tackle that? Advent Children doesn't really have anything new to say, and while I don't like Crisis Core it at least had at least some basis of an idea.
To me II isn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be, mainly due to the story. It's about loss and death, and how people can rise up to a seemingly unstoppable force. The keyword system was a pretty good addition, since it gave NPCs much more of a personality than, "Welcome to Corneria". I personally believe that XV and XIII stripped away the humanity of the NPCs, and changed most of them into either generic sidequest givers, or just removed them entirely.