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Controversial gaming opinion: video games are good.
What are controversial gaming opinions you have?
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- Nunya, Arizona
I mean... in fairness, it's pretty common across all cultures I'm aware of for major historical figures to not be very well known outside a few major notes. Washington, Napoleon, probably like dozens of emperors all across the world, etc., etc., etc.
Plenty of folks might know bits and bobs of major events, but for most a deep dive into their history is either not going to happen or not be retained after whatever schooling they have on the subject.
I don't think that's cultural appropriation so much as most folks just not actually caring all that much about history, heh.
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- Georgia, US
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Does it? What metrics do we have to prove this? Keep in mind that online Western reactionaries have adopted Yasuke as their Current Thing to be mad about, they have every incentive to review bomb the trailer for it. Especially the Japanese version.
Maybe some Japanese people dislike it, they're hardly a hive mind (and of course racism is very much a phenomena in Japan) but I don't see any reason to assume such a thing.
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- Austria
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I don't really see a reason for Japanese people getting upset about their chance at playing a Japanese person in an AC game being given to Yasuke because Sneakily Killing People As A Japanese Person is a huge game genre already
(also people can just badly Google Translate their complaints to Japanese to make it seem like Japanese people are upset, lmao)
(also people can just badly Google Translate their complaints to Japanese to make it seem like Japanese people are upset, lmao)
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- Georgia, US
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Yeah and more importantly they haven't actually lost a chance, there is a Japanese deuteragonist. Which is probably enough to eliminate any non-racist objections.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Japanese Right is angry about this but that has more to do with them being right-wing then Japanese. I don't buy that normies would be outraged.
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Wikipedia editors have been having a kerfufle on the Yasuke pages because westerners have been posing as Japanese to lend legitimacy to their arguments and wiki vandalism. and then actual Japanese have called them out on using bad google translate.
Morganite
Happiness is a large book.
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- Dynamis - Firefly Alley
Which would be... what I'm asserting? I'm not making a claim about relative prominence. I don't even know how we'd figure that one out.
That's treating games as fungible in a way that I don't think tracks with how fandoms actually work? If someone is specifically an AC fan, it's not surprising that they're going to have opinions about what it does.
And I don't really buy the idea that it's racist for a Japanese man to want to play a Japanese male character in a game set in Japan that uses specifically Japanese cultural elements.
-Morgan.
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You said that a "non-trivial" number of fans are unhappy. I'm disagreeing with that. I think the anger insofar as it exists is probably trivial.
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- Somewhere!
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well the sticking part there is male, since there is a japanese woman in it as the assassin half of the game. Which seems like it would be almost more important really?
Honestly, a servant to missionaries coming in, Nobunaga being taken with him as a curiosity, then he winds up getting wrapped up in parts of Nobunaga's whole thing, Nobunaga dies a year later, then gets involved in Hideyoshi's unification while also discovering that part of the campaign to unify Japan involves battles between the assassins and templar (or proxies therof) sounds, well, AC as hell, while also giving a venue for "so here's what's going on in this country politically right now, character and thus player."
Edit: Even better, apparently the motive behind Nobunaga's assassination by Mitsuhide is unknown, leaving an in for "the reason was an apple of eden or something, I dunno, are we still doing those? Whatever."
Edit: Even better, apparently the motive behind Nobunaga's assassination by Mitsuhide is unknown, leaving an in for "the reason was an apple of eden or something, I dunno, are we still doing those? Whatever."
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Dunno, is it racist for straight white men to only want to play straight white men and loudly complain whenever a video game protagonist deviates from that narrow category? They certainly sound the part whenever they do.
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- Canada
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And the ironic part is that she is Japanese, but the people are more pressed over the male not being Japanese.
Personally I was kinda hype for Yasuke's confirmation though because I mainly heard of him through the pipeline of "did you know Yasuke was the first foreigner to be a Samurai?" first and then through other media like the Yasuke anime second.
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Exactly, there are lots of Japanese games with Japanese leads. If they're specifically mad about this one exception then it kinds of begs the question why this angers them?
Especially when the idea of a game about a foreign-born samurai is hardly unprecedented, if this bothers them by Nioh didn't then I think suspecting racism is more then fair.
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Nioh 2 even had The Obsidian Samurai in it.
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And Yasuke's been in several of them. It's not like he's this forgotten foot note. He's been in a number of Nobunaga's Ambition and Samurai Warriors/Nioh games. Including one time genderbent as a loli for some reason according to the wiki.
I'm confused; is the question here if Japanese people know who Nobunaga is or if the worldwide audience does? Since if the latter you are massively overestimating the average person's knowledge of foreign history.
Anyways there are assholes finding things to get mad at on the internet. Unfortunately a day ending in Y. They don't actually care about what "samurai" meant at the time, they're just trying to find a way to fight and be shitty.
Anyways there are assholes finding things to get mad at on the internet. Unfortunately a day ending in Y. They don't actually care about what "samurai" meant at the time, they're just trying to find a way to fight and be shitty.
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- Ether
All of this is just classic AAA studio ginning up a culture war controversy to try to drum up sales for a mid/10 annual shovelslop endless collectibles fetch quest DLC MOBA radio towers
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- Russia
Especially since nobody seems talking about the fact the base game supposedly costs one hundred and thirty dollars.
hghwolf
Bird of contempt
...excuse me what the fuck
Well if I needed any more reason not to buy AssCreed whateverthefuck that would probably seal it
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Last I checked the base game for AssCreed Shadow only cost "normal" 70 bucks, it's the special fancy pancy pre-order edition that costs 130 bucks
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hghwolf
Bird of contempt
...so the full game costs 130 buckaroos.
Chlof
Her Ladyship
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I'm gonna go ahead and say that suggesting Ubisoft is deliberately provoking racist outrage as a marketing strategy through the sole act of having a black protagonist is fairly detached from reality.
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No? The only real content listed is the "pre order bonus" which given Ubisoft precedent is either some meaningless cosmetics or an overpowered item(s) that makes the game less fun.
Everything else is either future content ("season pass") or paying Ubisoft for the privilege of playing early. Things that in no way are necessary to have a full game.
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Which is very different from "base game" as was originally asserted, and if you look at the actual content no, you aren't being locked out of anything worthwhile.