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A "Grail" is a wish granting device. There's plenty of those, Kirei talked about it in FSN.

Salty said:
Why would Solomon even need the Grail in the first place?

I mean, he's doing all this shit on his own.
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They're useful power sources, anchors and motivational tools?

Durden said:
Having Incitatus as a talking horse (he almost became a consul after all : ) ) for Noble Phantasm would've been cooler : /
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That's just a curiosity.
His NP is literally his lunacy. That's neat.
 
I am bit curious when they say Magus's are on the whole pompous assholes interested only in the pursuit of the root with a few exceptions and furthering their family research.

Does this apply to all Magi or only those that attend Clocktower? I mean alchemist in Atlus count as Magi don't they or is it perhaps something else? Are their other magecraft schools with different cultures? Chaldea was fairly modern organization, not a school but it could be with that sort of resources.
 
Most of the people in Atlas are the type the clock tower would consider barely better then muggles.

Weak circuits at beast, which is why they specialize more in item construction then BS mysteries.
 
Wade Garrett said:
Eh, I can buy Li Shuwen beating Beowulf in a fist fight, I like the poem Beowulf but he's a bit lacking (feats wise) compared to, say, Hercules or the Hindu myths were even the small beggar children in the streets had planet busting god nukes to play catch with.
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Beowulf line 433-440 said:
"I have heard moreover that the monster scorns in his reckless way to use weapons; therefore, to heighten Hygelac's fame and gladden his heart, I hereby renounce sword and the shelter of the broad shield, the heavy war-board: hand-to-hand is how it will be, a life-and-death fight with the fiend."
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I absolutely cannot believe Li Shuwen would beat Beowulf in a fist fight.

We're talking about a warrior-king who, upon being grabbed by a demonic monster capable of eating a man whole, immediately put it into an armbar so hard that it screamed and tried to flee. As it turns out, Grendel is immune to injury caused by any weapon - Beowulf just never even finds this out, because he tosses aside his sword to make it a fair fight and then tears off its arm with his bare hands.

You know the reason why Beowulf has so many magic swords associated with him? Hrunting, Naegling, the Giant's Blade, Hrothgar's Sword? It's because he keeps breaking the fucking things when they get in the way. The swords exist, in the story, to show off how strong Beowulf is - they fail to be of use against his opponent, but then Beowulf kills them anyway. His awesome magic Noble Phantasm swords are jobbers for his fists. There's a whole bit when he's fighting the dragon - pretty much the toughest thing around in the Nasuverse, and not exactly a slouch in Beowulf - where Naegling shatters on its scales, and the narrative goes out of its way to let us know that this wasn't because the dragon was too tough, but because Beowulf swung the sword too hard.

Li Shuwen is facing a genuinely legendary and blatantly superhuman bare-handed martial artist with a legend about defeating a stealthy ambusher (and a dragon, but that's less directly relevant and more just generally terrifying). He is roundly fucked.
 
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Revlid said:
I absolutely cannot believe Li Shuwen would beat Beowulf in a fist fight.

We're talking about a warrior-king who, upon being grabbed by a demonic creature capable of eating a man whole, immediately put it into an armbar so hard that it screamed and tried to flee. As it turns out, Grendel is immune to injury caused by any weapon - Beowulf just never finds this out, because he tears off its arm with his bare hands and then sticks it above the door like a laurel wreath.

You know the reason why Beowulf has so many magic swords associated with him? Hrunting, Naegling, the Giant's Blade, Hrothgar's Sword? It's because he keeps breaking the fucking things when they get in the way. The swords exist, in the story, to show off how strong Beowulf is - they fail to be of use against his opponent, but then Beowulf kills them anyway. His awesome magic Noble Phantasm swords are jobbers for his fists. There's a whole bit when he's fighting the dragon - pretty much the toughest thing around in the Nasuverse, and not exactly a slouch in Beowulf - where Naegling shatters on its scales, and the narrative goes out of its way to let us know that this wasn't because the dragon was too tough, but because Beowulf swung the sword too hard.

Li Shuwen is facing a genuinely legendary and blatantly superhuman bare-handed martial artist with a legend about defeating a stealthy ambusher (and a dragon, but that's less directly relevant and more just generally terrifying). He is roundly fucked.
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Hahaha you and your logic and mythical accuracy. Li's ultimate tiger style smash fu obviously still wins.
 
Revlid said:
Li Shuwen is facing a genuinely legendary and blatantly superhuman bare-handed martial artist with a legend about defeating a stealthy ambusher (and a dragon, but that's less directly relevant and more just generally terrifying). He is roundly fucked.
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They already explained it as poor compatibility; monster slaying vs human killing, Li's kung-fu is better suited over Beo's raw power and experience in killing magical beasts. Which is why kung-fu master barely gets the win, almost dying in the process.

It's the same argument that lets EMIYA beat Gilgamesh but get utterly ruined against other Servants, despite the latter being the superior Servant. Compatibility > Powerlevels.
 
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EnderofWorlds said:
They already explained it as poor compatibility; monster slaying vs human killing, Li's kung-fu is better suited over Beo's raw power and experience in killing magical beasts. Which is why kung-fu master barely gets the win, almost dying in the process.
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But he didn't even use no second strike lol. He didn't use the fundamental technique that defines his fighting style.
 
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