After Tokiomi's death, these assets were passed on to
Aoi, and after Aoi's death they were passed on once
more to Rin. Or at least, they should have been, but
thanks to her legal guardian Kirei's naïve honesty and
crude management, most of the valuable property was
lost to other people. Then again, as a priest who values
honest poverty, he probably thought it would be good
for her from an educational standpoint. Just another
thing for Rin to wallop him for, I guess.
Well, as far as Things To Say To Your Kid Right Before You Go To Your Death goes, he pretty much covered what needed to be said. I'd've thrown in an I Love You and a hug, but the other stuff was integral to impressing upon her that she was the family head now, and that he had total confidence in her abilities in that regard and respected her, one family head to another.
... I just made it super obvious that my daddy issues are all related to not being taken seriously, didn't I.
There's probably also some anger over Sakura's situation mixed in there as well.
Well, duh. If that weren't one of the main themes intentionally I'd have even less respect for this franchise than I do already.The issue is that's not who Rin is. One of the underlying themes of Fate/Stay Night which many people miss is the traditional ideals your family instills on you are not always healthy.
Tokiomi expected fair play. The guy colluding with the Adjudicator and his son to cheat his way to victory expected fair play.
One of us has a very odd idea of what constitutes fair play.
Fifty bucks says it's Tokiomi.Tokiomi expected fair play. The guy colluding with the Adjudicator and his son to cheat his way to victory expected fair play.
One of us has a very odd idea of what constitutes fair play.
why did Kirei's wife kill herself again? I think it was to make him happy or something wasn't?I don't think we can hold "not expecting Kirei to suddenly murder him because trolololevil!" against him, since everybody from Risei to Kirei's wife missed just how screwed up in the head he was.
I think there was a tiger dojo at the end of UBW which says that the route is more about the servants than anything else. It's been a couple of years so I'm not sure. But, as far as I'm concerned, UBW is the route where servants do awesome and the protagonist bangs Rin. HF is the route I look at when talking about the sisters.This by the way is why I can't take the view that UBW is Rin's story seriously.
why did Kirei's wife kill herself again? I think it was to make him happy or something wasn't?
She thought if she killed herself kirei would feel emotion. Kirei only thought about how he was disappointed he wasn't the one to kill her.why did Kirei's wife kill herself again? I think it was to make him happy or something wasn't?
Kirei's wife was on his deathbed, and killed herself in an effort to prove to Kirei that he could feel sympathy/care about someone else.why did Kirei's wife kill herself again? I think it was to make him happy or something wasn't?
Kirei's wife was on his deathbed, and killed herself in an effort to prove to Kirei that he could feel sympathy/care about someone else.
Unfortunately, it backfired, because all Kirei got was "I wish I had been the one to kill her."
(Poor Kirei.)
... ninja x2
Think of his poor kid.It's not Kirei that I'm feeling bad for there.
Well, a little, since apparently he was screwed in the head from day one just because, but it's really more his wife that I feel the most pity for.
And here at the bar, the pianoman's found, another nail for my heart~!I don't know. "I want to be good and my brain is very thoroughly wired for sadism" is a pretty pitiful state of being.
She turned out excellently... just ask lancer!
I feel bad for Kirei.It's not Kirei that I'm feeling bad for there.
Well, a little, since apparently he was screwed in the head from day one just because, but it's really more his wife that I feel the most pity for.
I think the issue is he expects his enemies to cheat using magecraft, like Kayneth. All this use of bombs and evil Charisma is throwing him off.In fact, one of my biggest problems with Tokiomi as a dad is his insufficient levels of cynicism. I mean, really, when Shirou trusts people too fast and Rin overextends the trust she does give out of loneliness, I'm okay with it; they're teenagers. Tokiomi is a grown man fighting in a winner-takes-all bloodbath, and he still acts like fair play is going to happen just because that's the way he'd prefer it. Someone like that can't be expected to raise a child with the appropriate level ofparanoiasocial awareness to really thrive in the environment he's brought her up in.
I'm beginning to understand why Zelretch was so sure this bloodline wouldn't descend into evil. They seem to have an irresistible familial predisposition toward wanting to make friends.
You brought this upon yourself.I feel bad for Kirei.
I mean, that's not even sociopathy. It's actually kind of worse than 'merely' seeing the wants and needs of others as irrelevant.
He's pretty much Disney Evil.
Well, duh. If that weren't one of the main themes intentionally I'd have even less respect for this franchise than I do already.
I just don't think it's totally wrong to try to get your magus kids to understand the political realities of magus life. You can't just teach them all the technical stuff you know and then set them loose. With Shirou it makes sense because Kiritsugu knew he'd probably never amount to much, magically, so there was every reason to just keep him out of magical affairs as much as possible. Rin's a prodigy; people try to use prodigies all the time.
In fact, one of my biggest problems with Tokiomi as a dad is his insufficient levels of cynicism. I mean, really, when Shirou trusts people too fast and Rin overextends the trust she does give out of loneliness, I'm okay with it; they're teenagers. Tokiomi is a grown man fighting in a winner-takes-all bloodbath, and he still acts like fair play is going to happen just because that's the way he'd prefer it. Someone like that can't be expected to raise a child with the appropriate level ofparanoiasocial awareness to really thrive in the environment he's brought her up in.
I'm beginning to understand why Zelretch was so sure this bloodline wouldn't descend into evil. They seem to have an irresistible familial predisposition toward wanting to make friends.
I think there was a tiger dojo at the end of UBW which says that the route is more about the servants than anything else. It's been a couple of years so I'm not sure. But, as far as I'm concerned, UBW is the route where servants do awesome and the protagonist bangs Rin. HF is the route I look at when talking about the sisters.