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ultra said:
1. The world itself starts supporting your existence to a certain extent because you are so close to being a Divine Spirit. This lessens the load on your Master.
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...It says literally nothing about that. That's something Standardized Servant Rankings made up to give the Skill something to do.

It's nifty, but it's not actually supported by canon. Hell, with how expensive Heracles and his A rank Divinity is to power, it's actually got a fairly damning piece of evidence against it.

EDIT: In fact, both Karna and Iskander explicitly run into prana problems, and they have Divinity scores. Karna can't utilize his prana burst to its fullest extent due to the drain on the Master it would cause, and after utilizing Hetairoi, Waver has to take special measures to recharge Iskander by heading back to where they summoned him. The only divine Servants who show any tendency towards carefree expenditure of prana are Archer class.
 
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Alright, one more question. It's minor but it's been bugging me ever since I looked into the series beyond watching Fate/Zero because that show was amaze.

What's up with the mana/prana thing? I mean, mana is mana. Practically anybody with a cursory knowledge of fantasy fiction, or even fantasy vidya, knows what mana is. I had to look up prana and essentially it's just a fancier word for the same concept. So why not just call it mana?
 
Cross post from SB:

So, Ep.04 reaction time:

Shirou: To Rin "So, you're saying you're fat."

Rin: "My, you're such a funny boy." *Eye Twitch*

Shirou: *Look of horror*

Shirou might be dense, but he can recognize when he's screwed. :D

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Shirou: "Where did you get those clothes?"

Saber: "Rin gave it to me."

Shirou: "So, Rin also wears prim and proper outfits too."

Shirou, always focusing on what's important. :p

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Sakura's dumbfounded expression needs to be captured into a photo. Its hilarious.

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That music with Kuzuki scene was something out of a horror movie. Seriously, even his advices where like death threat.

"Wearing those boots in school is forbidden. PREPARE FOR JUDGEMENT!"

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When Saber was asking Shirou, if they will go to the next location after meeting Kuzuki, she really reminded me of Haruhi....Its freaking me out.

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Ayako and Shirou.

Shioru: "If things workout, then maybe I'll give the archery club another shot."

Knowing everything that I know now, this was almost tearjearking. No, more like melancholic.

Hmm, second Haruhi reference.

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Ayako and Shirou. Again.

Ayako: "You should have some fun. You never even smile."

Shirou: *Thousand Yard Stare*

HOLY SHIT!

Ufotable isn't fucking around. Shirou has issues, and they will shove them in our faces.

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Ayako and Shirou. One more time, because...why the hell isn't there an Ayako Route?

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Taiga: "That girl has been following us for a while."

Wow, you just noticed? `:confused:

Also Shirou, master of news delivery.

And then there is Sakura "Are you going to approve her staying with (MY!) sempai?" That girl is sly.

And Taiga, "Oh well, let her stay." She gives no fucks. `:p

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Food Porn.

Fuck, I'm getting hungry from watching this.

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"From now on, I'm staying here. You know what, let's have Sakura stay as well." Sneaky Taiga is sneaky. I like you. :cool:

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Rin vs Caster's Bone Familiars.

Anyone else got the Rin Terminator vipe? *Shudders*
 
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ZerbanDaGreat said:
Alright, one more question. It's minor but it's been bugging me ever since I looked into the series beyond watching Fate/Zero because that show was amaze.

What's up with the mana/prana thing? I mean, mana is mana. Practically anybody with a cursory knowledge of fantasy fiction, or even fantasy vidya, knows what mana is. I had to look up prana and essentially it's just a fancier word for the same concept. So why not just call it mana?
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prana is a combination of mana(the world) and od(the body). Basically mages can take in mana from the world to use spells or generate it themselves in the form of od. There is a lot more mana, but if to many mages all use mana in an area the area can run out for awhile. Od generates much less prana, but can not run out. Together they make prana which is a term for both. It is possible to only use one for a spell(most likely od if an area has no mana or the mana is not usable),.
 
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Because Mana is already used for something else. Specifically, Prana refers to all types of magic energy, while Mana refers to magic energy of the world, to contrast with Od, which is magic energy from the mage. You can get more detailed information from the wiki.
 
ZerbanDaGreat said:
What's up with the mana/prana thing? I mean, mana is mana. Practically anybody with a cursory knowledge of fantasy fiction, or even fantasy vidya, knows what mana is. I had to look up prana and essentially it's just a fancier word for the same concept. So why not just call it mana?
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IIRC:

The magic energy inside people is Prana.

The magic energy of the world is Od.

And when you cast spells, you combine the two, with the result being called Mana.

I've probably mixed up some of those, but that's how I recall it working.

EDIT: Ninja'd, and wow, got em all wrong. Need to rotate them all one up.
 
Or in other words: Nasu is kinda ridiculous with the amount of details he jams into his works.
 
A while ago I read the first two Prisma Illya series, and I recently caught up with the third. I decided to watch some of my favorite scenes in their anime forms, and one thing really confused me:

I was watching the Bazett fight (skipping any scenes without Bazett) and I started wondering why they weren't giving her the cards. I mean, Illya has this Shounen speech about how they risked their lives for the cards, but weren't they risking their lives to collect the cards and hand them over to a representative of the Magus Association (i.e. Bazett)? Was there any reason other than them disliking Bazett for them not to just hand the cards over?
 
I'm loving all these little scenes Ufotable is adding! It's so cute and... fluffy? Taiga and Ayako are awesome, and Sakura is going to give me diabetes one of these days.

Personally I think they are doing a good job of adding depth to the characters without having to use lenghty monologues. Yes, I know the episode had quite a lot of exposition, yet I find it likeable. Character intereactions feel smooth as far as I'm concerned. And the fashion! The different outfits give this old franchise a welcome feeling of freshness.

I look forward to the moment slice of life ends and shit gets real.
 
all fictions said:
But out of curiosity, how do you figure who Lancer is then?
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He literally say Gay Bulge when he goes after Saber in episode 1.

I liked this episode, it was slow yes, but set up a lot of stuff and used the slower pace for characterisation. I am slowly but surely going to collect a photo-set of what I'm calling 'Saber's big goofy smiles' because they're everywhere and their wonderful after watching Fate/Zero Happiness. You can tell whenever Shirou does one of his "I trust you!" lines she's thinking "So much better then Kiritsugu" to herself. Overall I like her super-serious tone. I kind of wish they hadn't taken out the 'No I must sleep in Shirou's room' sequence though.

Also, in the scene were Ayako says Shirou never smiles, he is literally smiling when she says it. Like, he looks away and gives a little grin. Infact Shirou smiles relatively often, just more out of contentment or finding someones actions amusing.
 
anisarian said:
Also, in the scene were Ayako says Shirou never smiles, he is literally smiling when she says it. Like, he looks away and gives a little grin. Infact Shirou smiles relatively often, just more out of contentment or finding someones actions amusing.
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I think she meant as in genuinely enjoying himself, and having a good time, rather than being polite or good along with the mood around him.

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Btw, I think I read somewhere that Prana is actually a fanon thing, so people would have a term/explanation for how magic works. It should be mana all around, but people wanted a term for mana from the body and from the world.
 
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Dark Lord Bob said:
A while ago I read the first two Prisma Illya series, and I recently caught up with the third. I decided to watch some of my favorite scenes in their anime forms, and one thing really confused me:

I was watching the Bazett fight (skipping any scenes without Bazett) and I started wondering why they weren't giving her the cards. I mean, Illya has this Shounen speech about how they risked their lives for the cards, but weren't they risking their lives to collect the cards and hand them over to a representative of the Magus Association (i.e. Bazett)? Was there any reason other than them disliking Bazett for them not to just hand the cards over?
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Kuro is the card mate. Bazett was going to literally rip her card out of her.

Pan shots to her while Illya was holding speeches should have tipped you off.
 
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anisarian said:
Also, in the scene were Ayako says Shirou never smiles, he is literally smiling when she says it. Like, he looks away and gives a little grin. Infact Shirou smiles relatively often, just more out of contentment or finding someones actions amusing.
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I've seen alternative translation that might make it make more sense.
 
anisarian said:
Also, in the scene were Ayako says Shirou never smiles, he is literally smiling when she says it. Like, he looks away and gives a little grin. Infact Shirou smiles relatively often, just more out of contentment or finding someones actions amusing.
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He smiles, but he never really smiles. It's always some half thing. More like a grin. It's actually pretty rare for anyone to smile in the Nasuverse. The only one I can think of off the top of my head is Kiritsugu's, when he finds Shirou.

Isn't that ironic.
 
Kyte has a pretty interesting post on SB.

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Kyte said:

"Hey, Emiya, I'm going to the faculty room."

Somebody pointed out to me that this was suspiciously close to an invitation.
 
Wolfy said:
Kuro is the card mate. Bazett was going to literally rip her card out of her.

Pan shots to her while Illya was holding speeches should have tipped you off.
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That still doesn't explain why Illya was willing to have her hand crushed off to stop a representative of the Mage Association from getting a card she risked her life to obtain for them.
 
Dark Lord Bob said:
That still doesn't explain why Illya was willing to have her hand crushed off to stop a representative of the Mage Association from getting a card she risked her life to obtain for them.
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Because otherwise Bazett would kill Kuro? Illya tried to stop her in any way she could.

It really isn't that hard to comprehend.
 
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Dark Lord Bob said:
That still doesn't explain why Illya was willing to have her hand crushed off to stop a representative of the Mage Association from getting a card she risked her life to obtain for them.
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Because Bazett offered no proof at all that she was an agent of the Association, *and* had just leveled the mansion where Illya's mentors and best friend were supposed to be?
 
Silver W. King said:
\Btw, I think I read somewhere that Prana is actually a fanon thing, so people would have a term/explanation for how magic works. It should be mana all around, but people wanted a term for mana from the body and from the world.
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No mention of "Prana", so I assume that it was an invented term because "Magical Power/Energy" is a mouthful. Mana being the magical energy from the world (the greater source) and Od/Odic Force being the magical energy from within is a thing, though.

Edit: Yep, checked the moonrune version of F/sn and they actually do use 魔力 (lit. magical energy) and the lparchive also use a translation that used magical energy.
 
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Silver W. King said:
Kyte has a pretty interesting post on SB.

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"Hey, Emiya, I'm going to the faculty room."

Somebody pointed out to me that this was suspiciously close to an invitation.
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Damn it Shirou. this close.

Also, pretty sure I saw that in BL. He was so close to unlocking the Ayako route. Damn you.
 
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So what you're saying is that 'prana' was completely made up by the fanbase to sound fancy, and it really is just 'mana'?

Cool.
 
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