Bah ...
In-Game Material said:
古代ギリシャ神話に登場する英雄。​
ホメロスの長編叙事詩『オデュッセイア』の主人公。​
『イリアス』ではトロイア戦争に参加した際の姿が綴られている。​
トロイア戦争ではアカイア随一の知謀の将として活躍。​
アキレウス亡き後、木馬の奇計によってトロイアを陥落せしめた。​
戦後は愛する女ペーネロペーの元へと帰還しようと海を渡るも、凶猛なる単眼の巨人種キュクロプス、海神ポセイドンの呪い、魔女キルケーや海精カリュプソーの誘惑、魔鳥セイレーンの歌、海魔スキュラの海峡、ヘリオス神の憤怒、等々の苦難に遭遇し、時に多くの犠牲を払いつつも、遂にはすべてを乗り越えた。​
「前へ進むための一歩が、いかに重く苦しいものか。​
─────俺も多少は知っている」​

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身長 / 体重:179cm・63kg​
出典:トロイア戦争、『イリアス』、『オデュッセイア』​
地域:欧州​
属性:中立・善 性別:男性​
モテる。とにかくモテる。​

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不屈の意志を持った人物。​
トロイア戦争の英雄にして、ギリシャ神話最高の冒険家のひとり。​
数多くの冒険、苦難を乗り越えまくってきた男であればこその有言実行。『オデッセイ』(冒険の旅)の語源となったのは伊達ではない。​
大言壮語を吐いたとしても、彼は実際にその通りに行動してみせる。​
トロイアを落とすと言えば、落とす。​
修羅場から逃れると言えば、逃れる。​
魔獣や怪物を倒すと言えば、倒す。​
そして、ペーネロペーの元へ帰ると言えば───いつか必ず、帰るのである。​

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神々の寵愛:B+

オリュンポスの神々からの寵愛を示すスキル。​
さまざまな効果をもたらす。​
とりわけ、女神アテナからの愛は深い。これにより、オデュッセウスは神々の防御兵装である宝具アイギスの使用が例外的に可能となる。​
本作では基本的にスキルとしては使用されない。​

一意専心(愛):A

精神の絶対性。不屈の意志の源泉。​
愛する妻ペーネロペーへと捧げた心は、決して揺るぐことがない。​
ニンフのカリュプソー、アイアイエー島の魔女キルケー、儚き王女ナウシカアー……オデュッセウスは多くの女性に求められてきた。女神アテナの加護も、ある意味では「モテている」と言えるだろうか。​
色男然とした経歴を持つオデュッセウスだが……本人としては一途なのである。​
ただ、愛しのペーネロペーの元へ戻るべく旅をしていると、なぜか女性と出逢ってしまうのだ。​
(少なくとも彼はそう認識している)​

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神体結界』​
ランク:A​
種別:結界宝具​
レンジ:―​
最大捕捉:1人​
アイギス。​
オリュンポスの神々によって造り出された防御兵装。​
鎧とも、盾とも伝えられる。​
本来は神々の手による概念防御、きわめて強力な結界の類と思しいが、オデュッセウスは女神アテナの深い寵愛ゆえか例外的にこれを物理的な『鎧』として身に纏う。​
すなわち、概念防御を有した神鋼製の無敵の鎧である。​
常時発動型の宝具。​
本作ではスキルとして表現されている。​

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終焉の大木馬』​
ランク:B++​
種別:対国宝具​
レンジ:2~80​
最大捕捉:400人​
トロイア・イポス。​
トロイア戦争末期、オデュッセウスは一計を案じ、トロイア内部へと巨大な木馬を運び込ませた。木馬にはギリシャ兵(アカイア兵)が多数潜んでおり───​
結果、トロイアは敵を内側へ招き入れる事になり、内外からの攻撃を受けて陥落。アカイア軍は遂に勝利を得たのだった。​
記述によれば、オデュッセウス本人も木馬の中に入り、兵士と共に戦ったという。​
宝具としての『木馬』の実態は、女神アテナによるアイギスの祝福を思わせる、神鋼の装甲に覆われた大型の乗騎である。真名解放によって召喚された木馬は、巨人にも似た殲滅形態に変化する事で、トロイア戦争の苛烈さを思わせる大破壊をもたらすだろう。​
In-Game Material said:
A Hero that made his debut as of the mythology of Ancient Grecia.​
The protagonist of the Homeric epic poem, the 『Odysseia』.​
In the 『Illias』, his figure is depicted as of his participation in the Trojan War.​
As of the Trojan War did he demonstrate himself in the capacity of a tactician of supreme ingenuity amidst the Achaia.​
Subsequent the death of Akhilleus did he capture Troia by use of the bizarre tactic of the wooden horse.​
Postbellum, so as to return to his beloved Penelope did he cross the sea — confronting such trials as the fierce one-eyed giant-kin, Kyklopes; the Curse of the Sea-God Poseidon; the temptations of the Witch Circe and the Nereid Kalypso; the song of the demonic bird, Siren; the channel of the sea-monster, Scylla; the wrath of the deity Helios — and though he did at times make many a sacrifice, he was in the end able to surmount his every obstruction.​
「How agonizing weighs a single pace to the purpose of advancing [along one's path]?​
——— I know something of this as well.」​

Bond 1

Height・Weight: 179cm・63kg​
Source: the Trojan War, 『Illias』, 『Odysseia』​
Region: Europe​
Alignment: Neutral Good​
Sex: Male​
Popular. Whatever the case, he's popular.​

Bond 2

A personage borne of unyielding determination.​
A Hero of the Trojan War, and one amongst the greatest adventurers in the mythology of Grecia.​
Precisely as he makes true upon his every word is he a man who has countless adventures and trials surmounted. It isn't therefore an extravagance that he becomes as the root of the word 『Odyssey』 (a journey of adventure).​
Even that he speaks bold claims, he shall in actuality accordingly act.​
If he states that Troia will fall, it shall [indeed] fall.​
If he states that he'll escape a scene of carnage (修羅場, shuraba; occasionally, "a battle between two women over a man"), he shall [indeed] escape.​
If he states that he'll defeat a beast or monstrosity, he shall [indeed] defeat it.​
Finally, if he states that he'll return to Penelope's side ——— someday, he'll certainly return to her.​

Bond 3

Favor of the Gods : B+

A Skill as to indicate the favor of the Gods of Olympus.​
Renders assorted effects.​
Notably, the love bestowed by Goddess Athena is potent.​
On account of such, Odysseus is as a special exception permitted the use of the Noble Phantasm Aigis, which is as a defensive armament of the Gods.​
In the present work, this is generally not in use in the capacity of a Skill.​

Single-Minded Dedication (Love) : A

An absoluteness of the psyche. A wellspring of unyielding determination.​
The heart [that Odysseus] devotes to his beloved wife Penelope is ever unwavering.​
The nymph Calypso; the Witch Circe, of the island of Aeaea; the delicate princess Nausicaa ... Odysseus was sought by numerous women. The blessings of the Goddess Athena could in a sense be described as 「popularity」 perhaps?​
Though Odysseus is borne of the history of a lady-killer ... the man is himself devoted [strictly to a single woman].​
Merely, in the course of his journey to return to the side of his beloved Penelope, for whatever reason, he [kept] encountering [various] women.​
(At the very least, such is his apprehension [of events].)​

Bond 4

Divine Corpus Boundary Field』​
Rank: A​
Type: Bounded Field​
Range: -​
Targets: 1​
Aigis.​
A defensive armament crafted by the Gods of Olympus.​
It is spoken of both as an armor and as a shield.​
Originally a Conceptual Defense [rendered] by the hand of the Gods, which might be thought of as something akin to a potent bounded field, Odysseys was by the ardent favor of the Goddess Athena let as a special exception to clad himself with such — [expressed] in the capacity of a physical 『armor』.​
Ergo, an invincible armor of admant (神鋼, shinkou, "divine steel"), borne of a Conceptual Defense.​
A continuously-active type Noble Phantasm.​
In the present work, it is expressed as a Skill.​

Bond 5

The Great Wooden Horse of the End』​
Rank: B++​
Type: Anti-Nation​
Range: 2~80​
Targets: 400​
Troia Ipos.​
At the end of the Trojan War, a great wooden horse was per the design of Odysseus carried unto the into interior of Troia.​
Within that wooden horse, there were concealed numerous soldiers of Grecia (Achaia).​
In consequence, Troia did [effectively] invite its enemies within, and fell to an offense from within and without.​
The forces of Achaia did so obtain their victory.​
Per accounts, it is said that Odysseus was himself within the wooden horse, and battled alongside his soldiers.​
The actual condition (実態, jitai) of the 『wooden horse』 as rendered in the capacity of a Noble Phantasm is as a large-scale mount covered in an armor of admant, reminiscent the Blessing of Aigis rendered by the Goddess Athena.​
The wooden horse, summoned forth per its True Name Release, does by way of shifting to an Annihilation Mode per the likeness of a giant render a vast destruction that perhaps recalls the severity of the Trojan War.​
A speed-trans, so maybe there are typos.
 
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... really? They made a giant laser out of the Trojan Horse?

C'mon! That's just lame!
I mean, how else would you represent the destruction and hell that it figuratively unleashed upon Troy ? It's the thing that single handedly ended a war, so it should get the firepower to reproduce the effect, even if by somewhat different (or accelerated, depending on how you see it) means.

Also, it wasn't a Mecha in life, it's just one when Odysseus gets summoned as a Servant.
 
I mean, how else would you represent the destruction and hell that it figuratively unleashed upon Troy ? It's the thing that single handedly ended a war, so it should get the firepower to reproduce the effect, even if by somewhat different (or accelerated, depending on how you see it) means.

Also, it wasn't a Mecha in life, it's just one when Odysseus gets summoned as a Servant.
Literally anything else? It's fundamentally not something you use to murder people in the first place; it's a deception that opens barriers.

A "poisoned gift" that creates an exception in any defense, no matter how perfect, once accepted. A Skill that permits Odysseus to pass any barrier if invited. Hell, you could tie it in his whole "No Man" thing, and make his identity impossible to recognize unless he tells the secret himself.

Like, fundamentally I go to the Nasuverse precisely because it usually tries to avoid the boring "hey who's laser is bigger" powerlevels in favor of clever conceptual weirdness and compatibility; turning the Trojan Horse into a giant laser mech is about as straightforward as you can get. (And doesn't at all suit the master liar and deceiver of Ancient Greece.)
 
Literally anything else? It's fundamentally not something you use to murder people in the first place; it's a deception that opens barriers.

A "poisoned gift" that creates an exception in any defense, no matter how perfect, once accepted. A Skill that permits Odysseus to pass any barrier if invited.


That is what it is though. It renders any defenses moot (rendered in game as stripping away all defensive buffs)

THEN, when it's in position, out of it comes the decisive strike that ended a war and turned a city to ash. That that strike, that "box of doom" where the Greeks where hiding has been crystalized into pure destruction rather than YET ANOTHER NP that summons other Servants is refreshing, IMO.
 
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I guuuuessss? But honestly I'd rather just represent that with a Subversive Activities EX or something.

Then again, I personally actively dislike having more than one or two laser beams per setting, so that's probably just a personal thing :V.
 
If I had free time I'd go make an Assassin Odysseus Nobody, who's also a crazy person that tries to seed rocks.
 
It's clear that Odysseus' spirit list is Focus, Strike, Drive, Fury, Zeal and Love, making him an incredibly effective real robot pilot.
 
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In reply to something from SB:

Technically, we've seen "Aigis" before.
The Divine Armament made by Hephaistos for Orion in LB5-1 was Aigis-Eclipse (アイギス・エクリプス) — though, hypothetically, that could refer to the "eclipsing" of Artemis' Aigis. Still ...

LB5-1 also gives that flesh of the Gods is fabricated of Theos Klironomia.
It can reasonably be conjectured that Adamant (神鋼, shinkou, "divine steel") is just Theos Klironomia rendered as a solid, accounting for the construction of the armor. Maybe we can even hypothesize that it was specifically Athene Klironomia that was used.

What about the aspect of the Conceptual Defense? We know that it was originally a measure of defense utilized by the Gods themselves — and in LB5-1, we see Poseidon erecting a mana barrier that the protagonists couldn't directly breach (though they make use of the breach that Francis Drake previously created). Given, it isn't given in the story that this barrier is directly referred to as an Aigis, but per the description, it can reasonably be presumed.

Ergo, based on that, we can conjecture that Odysseus' Aigis is just Theos Klironomia / Athene Klironomia rendered as solid Adamant, and then invested with the same Conceptual Defense that Poseidon employed — if maybe not to quite the same standing of Mystery or scale / magnitude.
 
In reply to something from SB:

Technically, we've seen "Aigis" before.
The Divine Armament made by Hephaistos for Orion in LB5-1 was Aigis-Eclipse (アイギス・エクリプス) — though, hypothetically, that could refer to the "eclipsing" of Artemis' Aigis. Still ...

LB5-1 also gives that flesh of the Gods is fabricated of Theos Klironomia.
It can reasonably be conjectured that Adamant (神鋼, shinkou, "divine steel") is just Theos Klironomia rendered as a solid, accounting for the construction of the armor. Maybe we can even hypothesize that it was specifically Athene Klironomia that was used.

What about the aspect of the Conceptual Defense? We know that it was originally a measure of defense utilized by the Gods themselves — and in LB5-1, we see Poseidon erecting a mana barrier that the protagonists couldn't directly breach (though they make use of the breach that Francis Drake previously created). Given, it isn't given in the story that this barrier is directly referred to as an Aigis, but per the description, it can reasonably be presumed.

Ergo, based on that, we can conjecture that Odysseus' Aigis is just Theos Klironomia / Athene Klironomia rendered as solid Adamant, and then invested with the same Conceptual Defense that Poseidon employed — if maybe not to quite the same standing of Mystery or scale / magnitude.

It would be nice if we knew what it exactly *did* though. We have fairly solid descriptions of how other defensive NPs work, this one just says "conceptual defense".
 
If I had free time I'd go make an Assassin Odysseus Nobody, who's also a crazy person that tries to seed rocks.

Heh. This reminds me of an idea I had a while ago, actually.

I was trying to come up with some decent OC servant (do not steal), and I thought it would be fun to play with the fact that Odysseus has different versions in myths. Anyway, my end up was that Greek Odysseus would be a Rider, while the Roman version (Ulysseus) was an Assassin, given how he killed Troy and all that :V

(the other idea I had was that 'Rider' Odysseus was regular Odysseus, Artoria-style. He got so goddamn lost he managed to wander into a Grail War)
 
I translated this a long time ago, but I somehow can't find it in the threads — so, here's a retranslation from the Extra node in Salomon:
Final Singularity - 15 said:
クロエ

そうね。朝までコースなんて体力的に勘弁してほしいけど、​
お世話になった借りは返すって言っちゃったし。​
触手の相手とか魔法少女的にはNGだけど、​
ま、斬り甲斐だけはありそうだし?​
それに、コイツらからは何となく第三魔法(うちら)への軽視を感じるわ。​
ーーー行くわよイリヤ。欠片とはいえ、​
アインツベルンの系譜の力、見せてやろうじゃない!​
Final Singularity - 15 said:
Chloe
Yeah. Though for reasons of stamina, I'd like to be excused from an all-the-way-till-morning course,​
[we] did say [we'd] repay [the favor] of taking care of us.​
Though for a Magical Girl, a tentacle [monster] as an opponent or so forth would be NG —​
well, it seems that it'd be worthwhile merely to cut them down?​
That besides, I somehow get from them the feeling that they're making light of the 3rd Magic(family).​
——— Let's go Illya. Even that it's fragmentary,​
let's show them the power of the lineage of the Einzberns!​
Why is this relevant here and now? It isn't in particular — except that just now, I caught sight of what the localization did to this passage:
NA said:
Chloe

True. I really don't want to be fighting 'til morning, but we did say we owed them after they helped us.​
Magical Girls usually don't fare well against tentacles, but it would be satisfying slicing them off.​
Besides, I get the feeling they're looking down on us as some third-rate magic users.
———Let's go Illya. Fragment or not, I'll show them the power of the Einzbern lineage!​
... seriously?
 
From yesterday's chapter in the event:
The New Adventures of the Witch and Her Delightful Companions - Chapter 4 said:
むかしむかしのおはなしです(ワンス・アポン・ア・タイム)

ーーー男は、鉄のようでした。

強固な意思、強靭(きょうじん)な魂。
神を愛し、愛された英雄。
長きに渡る戦いを終わらせ、
そして帰国の途についた戦士。

……疲れた。
戦争に疲れた。思考に疲れた。
殺すことに倦んだ。
それは彼らの部下でも同じです。
あまりに長過ぎる戦いは、
魂を傷つけていたのです。

魔女
「なら、獣になればいいじゃないか。」​

……かもしれません。
何も考えず、ただ生きていくだけならば。
獣であることはとても楽しい。
ただ一人。
その男だけは、頑としてそれを拒みました。

「ーーー帰らなければならない。」​

帰りたい、ではなく。
帰らなければならない、と。

男の言葉に、魔女は反駁(はんばく)します。

魔女
「帰る必要がどこにある?​
ここには望むものが全てあるはずなのに。」​
「無い。​
ここには、ペーネロペーがいないのだ。」​

魔女は絶句しました。
この男は、事もあろうに。
『たかが一人の女のために。』
命の危険を冒してまで、
帰ろうというのです!

魔女
「ーーーダメだ。​
行かせない、行かせてたまるものか。」​

多分、生まれて初めて執着ですた。
この男が欲しい、この男を飾りたい。
どこかズレの所有欲。
そういう意味では、魔女はやはり魔女でした。
……ただ一緒にいたいと。
そうお願えば良かったのに。
This is a tale of a long, long time ago(Once upon a time).

——— The man was as steel.

A will firm; a spirit enduring.
A Hero devoted to [and] favored by the Gods.
A warrior that had concluded a protracted war, and thereafter arrived in the midst of returning to his land.

...... He was tired.
Tired of war. Tired of thinking.
Weary of the matter of killing.
His subordinates were of a similar disposition.
By a war that had persisted for far too long,
their souls were marred with injury.

Witch
「In that case, would it not be fine if you were to become as beasts?」​

...... Perhaps.
If one were to think of nothing at all, and merely subsist —
the matter of becoming as a beast would be as a bliss supreme.

[But amongst them], a single individual —
that man did alone resolutely refuse.

Man
「——— I cannot but return.」​

It was not a desire to return [home].
He could not but return, he said.

To the man's words, the Witch gave a rebuttal.

Witch
「Where exists the necessity to return [to your homeland]?​
Everything you desire should be here extant.」​
Man
「Nay.​
Penelope is not here.」​

The Witch was lost for words.
Of all things, this man declared
『on behalf of merely a single woman』
that at the risk of his own life, he would return.

Witch
「——— no.​
I won't let him go. How could I bear to let him go?」​

Probably, it was the first in her life that she'd grown attached.
She wanted this man; wanted to show him off.
[It was a] possessiveness that was in some way aberrant.
In such a sense, the Witch was [very typically] a Witch.
...... even that all would have been fine if she'd merely desired to be with him.
To clarify, Circe doesn't want Odysseus because he's married.
In the chapter, she refused to dance with Orion and Jason because of Artemis and Medea respectively.
She wants Odysseus because she thinks his single-minded devotion to Penelope is incredibly cool.

That said, here we have her explicitly encouraging Odysseus and his men to give in to their bestial nature and abdicate agency, on account that she will provide for their every need. Clearly, the Pigurettos are semantically equivalent to humans that have succumbed to the Beasts.


 
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A quick question about vampires to avoid using less shady sources like wikis, got a rough idea but want to confirm

-What are the main differences between the TA and DA sorts of vampire in terms of physiology- blood drinking, traditional vampire weaknesses etc?
IIRC it's vaguely "TA has no physical need for blood when a DA does, DA are the ones negatively affected by sunlight, both weak to holy and stronger under moon, TAs also vaguely classed as some sort of fae, may have some minor gaia link." but wanting to make sure

-Both types are capable of some sort of magics yes, but do they also work off the same sort of circuit + magecraft system as regular mages or have some other setup?
 
A quick question about vampires to avoid using less shady sources like wikis, got a rough idea but want to confirm

-What are the main differences between the TA and DA sorts of vampire in terms of physiology- blood drinking, traditional vampire weaknesses etc?
IIRC it's vaguely "TA has no physical need for blood when a DA does, DA are the ones negatively affected by sunlight, both weak to holy and stronger under moon, TAs also vaguely classed as some sort of fae, may have some minor gaia link." but wanting to make sure

-Both types are capable of some sort of magics yes, but do they also work off the same sort of circuit + magecraft system as regular mages or have some other setup?

True Ancestors are Fairies/Elementals (extensions of the Planet) based off of Brunestud (AKA TYPE-MOON).

Or, in short, the vampires are actually fairies based off of an alien from the Moon.

They don't need blood, but have a psychological desire for it, and so must spend most of their power on suppressing their bloodlust.

IIRC, they don't really have any unique weaknesses?

Dead Apostles were originally humans, turned into vampires so that the TAs could use them to deal with their bloodlust.

They do have most of the traditional vampiric weaknesses to some degree? Like, holy symbols - though that's kind of involved from what I recall? You need the ones of the relevant religion that was dominant in their homeland.

Blood-drinking, they need it to prevent their dna from decaying. Virgin blood is best because it's, uh, somehow purer? (I don't think this has literally ever been relevant?)

I don't think TAs have magic circuits as such, but I believe they can do magecraft, and they can definitely do Marble Phantasm, which is more useful in some ways.

DAs have magic circuits - need to have them to become DAs, I think? - and most of them will pick up magecraft at some point or another. Most of the DAA are fairly experienced magi - Caubac Alcatraz, Zelretch, Van-Fem (IIRC FSF right), Blackmore... Ortenrosse?

Moon stuff - DAs are strongest under the new moon, TAs under the full moon.
 
True Ancestors are Fairies/Elementals (extensions of the Planet) based off of Brunestud (AKA TYPE-MOON).

Or, in short, the vampires are actually fairies based off of an alien from the Moon.

They don't need blood, but have a psychological desire for it, and so must spend most of their power on suppressing their bloodlust.

IIRC, they don't really have any unique weaknesses?

Dead Apostles were originally humans, turned into vampires so that the TAs could use them to deal with their bloodlust.

They do have most of the traditional vampiric weaknesses to some degree? Like, holy symbols - though that's kind of involved from what I recall? You need the ones of the relevant religion that was dominant in their homeland.

Blood-drinking, they need it to prevent their dna from decaying. Virgin blood is best because it's, uh, somehow purer? (I don't think this has literally ever been relevant?)

I don't think TAs have magic circuits as such, but I believe they can do magecraft, and they can definitely do Marble Phantasm, which is more useful in some ways.

DAs have magic circuits - need to have them to become DAs, I think? - and most of them will pick up magecraft at some point or another. Most of the DAA are fairly experienced magi - Caubac Alcatraz, Zelretch, Van-Fem (IIRC FSF right), Blackmore... Ortenrosse?

Moon stuff - DAs are strongest under the new moon, TAs under the full moon.

Aren't they both strongest under the full moon? Roa's "instantly regenerate from just his ankles" was done under the influence of the full moon.
 
Her profile apparently makes some sort of cryptic comment about where she was on the day Case Files ended? Or something.
Coming back to this, @Who?, I found out what it was about and I was wrong.



Tweet if you can't read it said:
Olga: Outside of the universe
宙の外 is a Nasuism. The title of a DDD short story and manga about Kanata fighting a NEET who can make universes. The term has also been used to signify things outside the human awareness cosmos. Another point for the Olga related Alien God theory.

This post is part of a Twitter thread about something in the character profiles of Case Files Mats, "The Day of Their Decisive Battle". Essentially, it is a cryptic one line about a battle or event the character will have that will either impact their lives or will be the final battle leading to their deaths (I use the future tense but it sometimes refer to the past). For example, Waver has "Standing with the king at that ocean" (which is self explanatory), Reines has "Coronation as a Lord" (again obvious), and Touko has "A snowy school building", which is the climax of Mahoyo, showing that it doesn't necessarily means death. On the other hand, Atomic Gatorade and Doctor Heartless both have the location of their deaths listed as their decisive batttle.

So interesting stuff. Flat and Luvia have Some Shit listed, while the lords have cryptic locations/events that seem to be sequel bait.
 
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Luvia's may actually reference her meeting with Rin (Decisive Battle With The Jewel Magecraft King), and Flat's mentions something that refers to computers IIRC.

Also, Rin apparently will be in the Case Files sequel:
 
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