Time of the Gods: Into the Amber Age
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@ninjafish perhaps you could copy mine? I took veekie's plan and added letting Saiga use the shapeshifting mask. Sivantic isn't close to winning at this point and I doubt your current vote is applicable, so roll the dice on Saiga wanting a combat child to explore with.
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Alright, what's your reasoning behind having Sky and Humanity? Owl will already grant flight and Saiga would provide Humanity. Also, we can't give Faith attribute, you would have to request Saiga to do so instead.
Even if it is unnecessary for flight I prefer to keep sky on an owl God so that he has a direction to go if he wants to get out of being pure murder. It gives him an easy in into weather manipulation and a way to help his worshippers aside from blessings and killing threats. Aspect of humanity is kept just in case it isn't what Saiga chooses to add if he is given the mask, and if he isn't given the mask then making sure the new God has some humanity is important.
I did not see the GM say we can't give faith, but no ambrosia is devoted to it in the plan so that isn't actually a problem. Saiga will presumably want to make sure his child starts with the essential stats though, so is likely to provide the initial faith point. Even if he doesn't though it will be literally legend free for the child, because of the humanity reduction.
As a side note, in your current plan if Saiga doesn't provide shrine the baby is going to explode and be formless.
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I find it odd that you would presume that and not humanity. Saiga is open to requests and if we give him the mask I'm sure he would be delighted to make some concessions as in the end, it would give him some choice that he didn't have before.
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What on earth are you talking about?
QM have approved of it.
[X] Veekie
-[X] Lend Saiga mask
Oh woops I looked at the original suggestion, my mistake. The ice touch is nice though, I assume it is also through shapeshifting? It should be quite helpful if the child ends up asking the crafter spirit for equipment.
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I assumed he was talking the 10 ambrosia bit
At the very least give Saiga a hug ;_;
@Powerofmind clarify? Can Gaerig give Faith? Can she ask Saiga to give it instead?
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Frankly Idk why anyone even wondered. Deliberately adding an auto-faith buy trait to the kid is only going to do one thing. Make it a faith kid.
I don't see why you think @veekie 's plan uses one ambrosia on it. I hope Saiga pushes for more faith.
Hmm I wond r if get a refund if Saiga gives aspect of humanity too.
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Because he's spending it on Humanity to get it?
Wouldn't it be better to give it Influence 1 instead?
Humanity goes in there on its own merits of understanding people. The Faith is a nice bonus, since Saiga has MUCH less ambrosia than we do. He'd be wiped out buying more than 2 random traits and 3 legend worth of stuff. Humanity means he can buy Faith to 2 and Influence 1 + another traitroll from his nice kit
We cannot be sure what Saiga adds, so this gives us at least someone who's going to be a tool user and can use archery/weapons, rather than a big melee bird like Saitev.
We cannot be sure what Saiga adds, so this gives us at least someone who's going to be a tool user and can use archery/weapons, rather than a big melee bird like Saitev.
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Then wouldn't it be better to focus on attributes and let Saiga put in the traits?
Aren't the traits he can provide better for fighting than ours?
We know for a fact that Saiga and Saitev's traits are ultimately unable to fight the Bloody Man though. Beating a Strength + Murder combo is difficult
Additionally, Saiga's traits makes him a superior hunter and food provider. He has added melee damage, command of animals and increased hp, but those just help him lose more slowly compared to a Strength spirit's superior physical power, Death's damage booster or the Murder spirit's damage multipliers.
He is relatively weak against spirits of strength and death. He's got nothing for aerial superiority, and we know he has a fair bit of trouble dealing with trickery.
He's a Kirk, not a Klingon.
Thing is low attributes(especially very low ones) are fairly easy for a young Faith god to raise, short naps would do. Whole new traits are much harder.
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Which is why I am not arguing against Death or Owl. However Saiga could just as easily add in Humanity himself, especially since he has the full Aspect of it, and instead adding Influence so that it could at least travel outside his starter village.
The god/dess won't be much help if it costs them half their actions to go to the next village over.
So long as he is a Faith god I honestly don't have any worries about his divine attributes. When you look at the rest of our pantheon they have all been pretty good about raising theirs up relatively evenly, and largely without traits that seem to do the job for them. I would expect a Faith God with a bunch of traits and low attributes to be smart enough to jump on the extremely low hanging fruit before sleeping for much else.
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We could just ask you know? He's alreadt happy to fulfill Gaerig's requests and we're giving him a child and a chance to choose what goes into it.
As to the giving levels of aspects, that's not how it works. He has Aspect of Humanity and that is what he would give, not Minor Aspect of Humanity.
@veekie so I have been considering it and Sivantic kind of has a point. My suggestion would be to remove minor aspect of humanity from our list, and ask Saiga to add humanity and either hunter and/or bear. He has a better aspect of humanity so is more likely to get a God that really understands humans and is capable of leading them, and the bear and Hunter both add points of melee, and ranged with hunter. Meanwhile we would use that point for either influence or shrine to increase his range or prevent any risk of early formless that the child can't easily escape.
Frankly if we want the child to be really killy it would be best to have it start with 6 or 8 melee and 3 ranged instead of just the three melee from spirit of death. It would also leave him with higher survival for effective blessings early on.
Frankly if we want the child to be really killy it would be best to have it start with 6 or 8 melee and 3 ranged instead of just the three melee from spirit of death. It would also leave him with higher survival for effective blessings early on.
If it was confirmed to work that way yes. But so far:
-PoM has not confirmed, and been evasive about the Mask giving Saiga the ability to control what traits he can grant. I added the mask on the basis that it wouldn't hurt, not with any expectation of benefits. If it works, fantastic(odds are Saiga will add Hunter or Human based on his personality and leave the rest to chance because he doesn't have the Ambrosia or the obligation to go control freak over it like we do).
-We don't have confirmation that God-babies get all three tiers per add(which makes Aspect mashes grossly superior to adding attributes, divine traits, avatar traits or elemental traits). We know for instance, that Ur-beasts get one tier at a time(see Rashelki), so the evidence is unclear, and PoM is unlikely to confirm it because part of the whole point of doing it this way is the sense of mystery and discovery.
-Finally, Saiga is amiable to many suggestions, but there's always a level of uncertainty about what he's going to add, especially if compels get involved. He's supposed to be pretty sleepy and confused IC after all. PoM is also unlikely to ever answer this straight.
The elements above makes it so that I'm not going to risk potentially creating a Fear God baby if either the first or third point of failure happens. The probability is low, but not zero.
One point of ambrosia inefficiency, or you know, a single level of influence that takes a 1 year nap to pick up for a Faith god isn't worth it for me.
Also worth keeping in mind that if we help sponsor our child's new temple, they can extend their Influence coverage beyond their apparent starting stats. Temples allows the god to sponsor lesser shrines that don't take up slots but do propagate influence, IIRC.
And if it DOES work, then we get to see what happens when you add 3 levels of Human to 1 level of Human, which would be interesting to see as well. Chimera maybe? Shapeshifter? Or does it push Human into his ascension inherent trait slot?
-PoM has not confirmed, and been evasive about the Mask giving Saiga the ability to control what traits he can grant. I added the mask on the basis that it wouldn't hurt, not with any expectation of benefits. If it works, fantastic(odds are Saiga will add Hunter or Human based on his personality and leave the rest to chance because he doesn't have the Ambrosia or the obligation to go control freak over it like we do).
-We don't have confirmation that God-babies get all three tiers per add(which makes Aspect mashes grossly superior to adding attributes, divine traits, avatar traits or elemental traits). We know for instance, that Ur-beasts get one tier at a time(see Rashelki), so the evidence is unclear, and PoM is unlikely to confirm it because part of the whole point of doing it this way is the sense of mystery and discovery.
-Finally, Saiga is amiable to many suggestions, but there's always a level of uncertainty about what he's going to add, especially if compels get involved. He's supposed to be pretty sleepy and confused IC after all. PoM is also unlikely to ever answer this straight.
The elements above makes it so that I'm not going to risk potentially creating a Fear God baby if either the first or third point of failure happens. The probability is low, but not zero.
One point of ambrosia inefficiency, or you know, a single level of influence that takes a 1 year nap to pick up for a Faith god isn't worth it for me.
Also worth keeping in mind that if we help sponsor our child's new temple, they can extend their Influence coverage beyond their apparent starting stats. Temples allows the god to sponsor lesser shrines that don't take up slots but do propagate influence, IIRC.
And if it DOES work, then we get to see what happens when you add 3 levels of Human to 1 level of Human, which would be interesting to see as well. Chimera maybe? Shapeshifter? Or does it push Human into his ascension inherent trait slot?