- Location
- Sydney
To be fair it is extremely easy not to notice or to forget that this locker was done by someone other than the Trio and at least half a year earlier.
The Taste of Peaches (Worm AU)
- Thread starter Grounders10
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Granted, but the rest of my point is valid even if the story had diverged from canon at the locker scene - No one has any issue with the impossible disconnect between taylor's personality and actions before and after the locker scene, if you give Danny just a fraction of that credit his actions become quite reasonable.
Which leads back to several things. Taylor *has not had the final betrayal* of Emma (without question, her attmept to *kill* Taylor), it's actually closer to *8* months *before* canon, as well as Danny's waking up *far* earlier. Don't forget, the Divine peaches (or peaches of immortality, or what have you) also have a healing effect, too. That has a factor, no?
Since Taylor knows it wasn't the Terrible Trio who did this locker, and it was a lot less severe ("Hey, wait, y'all, she still got locked in!" No biowar shit, wasn't New England Weather, etc.) than it was, and the time in canon, the odds of a more chatterbox Taylor returning is *higher*. Add in her getting everything any teenage girl generally wants (looks, and I dare you to say that 90% of Teenage girls DON"T want to look awesome), her dad back, etc...
Is Taylor wounded? Yes. Is she able to recover? Oh, yes. Is her personality damaged to the point it was in Canon? Oh, hell no.
Taylor is not the same as Canon. Danny isn't. He's gotten several wakeup calls he did not in canon. And compared to the ones in canon, they're sooner (well over a year sooner, in fact), and less severe.
Is Danny a bit off from Canon? Yep. But, in this case he hasn't had another year of 'not seeing his daughter become a parahuman and supervillian!' He can do something for her. (You'd be surprised on how even what little he can do in this situation helps people.) So... yeah.
Not a surprise. People are generally used to 'useless and spineless' Danny, because in canon, he was that, because he himself was broken beyond repair. Here, he's not. Ironically, the PRT is appearing competent and taking steps to seriously protect Taylor. Budget increase for more troopers, implied extra protectorate and wards coming. He can nod, knowing he did the right thing, (Not saying it is, just that from HIS POV, it is) and that he's not a failure, and that the Docks are still there (remember, he learned about Skitter *after* Levvy hit Brokton Bay.) Yes, he may be overreacting, a tad. *shrugs* We'll see if he balances out. We don't know his base personality, very much pre canon, so, this actually may be closer to it, than we realize.
Since Taylor knows it wasn't the Terrible Trio who did this locker, and it was a lot less severe ("Hey, wait, y'all, she still got locked in!" No biowar shit, wasn't New England Weather, etc.) than it was, and the time in canon, the odds of a more chatterbox Taylor returning is *higher*. Add in her getting everything any teenage girl generally wants (looks, and I dare you to say that 90% of Teenage girls DON"T want to look awesome), her dad back, etc...
Is Taylor wounded? Yes. Is she able to recover? Oh, yes. Is her personality damaged to the point it was in Canon? Oh, hell no.
Taylor is not the same as Canon. Danny isn't. He's gotten several wakeup calls he did not in canon. And compared to the ones in canon, they're sooner (well over a year sooner, in fact), and less severe.
Is Danny a bit off from Canon? Yep. But, in this case he hasn't had another year of 'not seeing his daughter become a parahuman and supervillian!' He can do something for her. (You'd be surprised on how even what little he can do in this situation helps people.) So... yeah.
Not a surprise. People are generally used to 'useless and spineless' Danny, because in canon, he was that, because he himself was broken beyond repair. Here, he's not. Ironically, the PRT is appearing competent and taking steps to seriously protect Taylor. Budget increase for more troopers, implied extra protectorate and wards coming. He can nod, knowing he did the right thing, (Not saying it is, just that from HIS POV, it is) and that he's not a failure, and that the Docks are still there (remember, he learned about Skitter *after* Levvy hit Brokton Bay.) Yes, he may be overreacting, a tad. *shrugs* We'll see if he balances out. We don't know his base personality, very much pre canon, so, this actually may be closer to it, than we realize.
Motile Mollusc
Bitten by a radioactive were-tilde
- Location
- Here
In story, Taylor knows it wasn't one of her normal bullies who did the specific act of pushing, but still somewhat blames Emma&co because she thinks it's just another step in what they've been doing.
Out of story there's been comments that it wasn't the Trio at all.
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Unseelie
(Verified True Fae)
- Location
- Tír fo Thuinn
"Nearly all of them are good ideas"?
I'm guessing you either meant "incredibly low" or you switched "reward" and "effort".
Grounders10
Nine-Tailed Kitsune
- Location
- British Columbia, Canada, Mars
^^; I have a few mistakes to fix ^^;
Neruz
Rogue Spiderbanana
- Location
- The Land of Fire and Poison
Basically the important thing to remember about mythological beings is that the modern world is, in comparison to the vast majority of human history, an incredibly nice and peaceful place where, unless you happen to live in certain specific areas and\or belong to certain specific ethnic groups, the odds of something genuinely horrible happening to you are orders of magnitude reduced from what they were for almost every single one of your ancestors. And it was these ancestors who had horrible things happening to them all the fucking time who created the stories and legends that form the mythologies we now know today, which means that the vast majority of said mythologies and the entities that inhabit them are substantially more vicious, grimmer and generally nastier than would be dictated by modern sensibilities, especially with regards to the value and sanctity of human life. Because the concept that human life is valuable and that human beings have inherent and inalienable rights to things like not being enslaved or murdered or or tortured for funsies or having your shit stolen or other various horrible things happen to them on the whim of whatever local power, or just sheer bad luck, is a very recent one and one that over 99% of every human who has ever lived would find not only comically laughable to consider, but demonstrably false and could prove it with multiple examples from personal experience.
The idea that lives are valuable and that just killing someone who annoys you or is otherwise being inconvenient is not okay is a modern one, for most of human history and across most of the world if some john random pissed you off then unless he was a noble or could defend himself (or employ others to defend him), you could just stab the fucker with whatever sharp implement you were good at using to stab people with until he either ran away or died, and if he died, tough shit. You might have to pay some blood money to his family, but most of the time said blood money really wasn't actually all that much; approximately one year's worth of the dead man's wages was not uncommon. Women, children, the elderly and the infirm usually didn't get blood money, because they didn't count as real people.
So just because a mythological creature is described as 'good' does not mean they won't shank a fucker wot pisses them off, it just means they probably won't shank a fucker for their own entertainment, or just for the hell of it, or because someone looked at them funny. Probably, mythological beings tend to have strange and esoteric rules that they follow, some of which can get pretty alien and incomprehensible, which they do not necessarily bother to explain to people and if said people happen to accidentally break said rules out of ignorance, they can end up shanked anyway. Faeries are particularly well known for this, so much so that it is basically considered their metaphorical hat and is the primary reason why genre savvy characters turn around and fuck right off upon encountering the Fae.
In short; generally speaking the difference between 'good' and 'bad' mythological beings is that the good ones won't kill a person unless they have some kind of at least vaguely ethically-justified reason to do so. The bad ones on the other hand will kill a person because they think that people make funny noises when they are stabbed with pointy objects, and that guy over there looks like he'd be good for at least half an hour of stabbing before he bleeds out.
The idea that lives are valuable and that just killing someone who annoys you or is otherwise being inconvenient is not okay is a modern one, for most of human history and across most of the world if some john random pissed you off then unless he was a noble or could defend himself (or employ others to defend him), you could just stab the fucker with whatever sharp implement you were good at using to stab people with until he either ran away or died, and if he died, tough shit. You might have to pay some blood money to his family, but most of the time said blood money really wasn't actually all that much; approximately one year's worth of the dead man's wages was not uncommon. Women, children, the elderly and the infirm usually didn't get blood money, because they didn't count as real people.
So just because a mythological creature is described as 'good' does not mean they won't shank a fucker wot pisses them off, it just means they probably won't shank a fucker for their own entertainment, or just for the hell of it, or because someone looked at them funny. Probably, mythological beings tend to have strange and esoteric rules that they follow, some of which can get pretty alien and incomprehensible, which they do not necessarily bother to explain to people and if said people happen to accidentally break said rules out of ignorance, they can end up shanked anyway. Faeries are particularly well known for this, so much so that it is basically considered their metaphorical hat and is the primary reason why genre savvy characters turn around and fuck right off upon encountering the Fae.
In short; generally speaking the difference between 'good' and 'bad' mythological beings is that the good ones won't kill a person unless they have some kind of at least vaguely ethically-justified reason to do so. The bad ones on the other hand will kill a person because they think that people make funny noises when they are stabbed with pointy objects, and that guy over there looks like he'd be good for at least half an hour of stabbing before he bleeds out.
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- In front of the fairy
Something else to take into account is that if mythology is an attempt to explain the world and why things happen, a harsher world where terrible things happen all the time almost necessitates crueler, capricious, or uncaring gods.
That said, even if the nature of gods in certain mythologies can be reasonably explained, we can most certainly judge their character by modern values if we feel like it.
Baughn
Healing-type writer
- Location
- Dublin
Totally. Though, this begs a question.
Since the nature of the gods are defined by the historical experience of life, not the behavior of said gods -- who didn't exist, after all -- then why should we think the same stories would exist in a world where they did?
Angurvddel
I am Large. I contain Multitudes
Considering how integral mythology and those stories are to the actual history of the world, the removal of such or the changing of such would probably result in a significantly different world entirely. And since I don't think that the author wants to completely *rewrite* history or even mythology, we can probably assume it's mostly the same here. That said, it does allow the author a useful tool to fiddle if he needs to.
For a more watsonian reason, simply reverse cause and effect. That is, instead of saying X God did this, resulting in X mythology. We have People saying a God caused these natural phenomena, which in turn eventually granted said god their domain due to belief.
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Thank you i've wanted someone to do a varation of this scene for a while. Mostly because Levi is screwed as he deals in storms and seas going against a Goddess that deal in stotms, seas, and other things.
- Location
- Missouri
But would she kill him, or would she subsume him?
Because I could seriously see her getting close to Leviathan and instinctively pulling a full-blown "SUFFER ME NOW!" that ends with the Doomfish kneeling before its new mistress and everybody else going "fuck this shit, I'm out."
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- Up.
I actually thought the gem-eyed fox and the nine-tail pinwheel sounded like cool designs, once they found the right color. Hopefully her idea will be even better, though.
Anbuspider
Maybe there, maybe not
- Location
- Ireland
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Hey Grounders10,
Since Taylor is going to be a singer along with being a hero (and a number of other things that aren't relevant to my point), have you thought of any songs for her?
If not, here are some suggestions:
4/Read all about it by Emeli Sande - a bit of soul music that I think would fit the image Glen is trying to portray, that the PRT and Protectorate are human.
Just some suggestions.
Looking forward to the next chapter.
Since Taylor is going to be a singer along with being a hero (and a number of other things that aren't relevant to my point), have you thought of any songs for her?
If not, here are some suggestions:
1/Heroes (we could be) by Alesso ft. Tove Lo - I just couldn't resist and the song would be perfect PR fodder.
2/Elastic Heart by Sia - A song about being resilient and letting your enemies get to you (or Taylor's ' you can't break me Emma' song)
3/Don't kill my vibe by Sigrid - a really positive 'can't keep me down' type song (or Taylor's, 'hey Windslow, look at me now' song)
4/Read all about it by Emeli Sande - a bit of soul music that I think would fit the image Glen is trying to portray, that the PRT and Protectorate are human.
Just some suggestions.
Looking forward to the next chapter.
I really like this series. Given the recent update date I've hopes for it continuing. Personally, the pacing is a bit frustrating, but it's plenty fluffy enough to make up for that. This is also a rather interesting take on the PRT's response to a powerful cape intake. Shit with Glen is usually a heck of a lot more subdued and the PRT/protectorate much more cutthroat about their recruiting methods.
Jonn Wolfe
(Verified Sarcastic) (Not a Wolf)
- Location
- Beyond Sanity Since 1971
Two words: "Danny. Hebert." Man's a menace to contract negotiations. Plus, with her being so powerful, they don't want to alienate either of them with a hard sell.
His involvement usually backfires in other stories.
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- Missouri
Because people love the "useless Danny" trope without thinking about the actual impact of the AU on things.
Danny is a high level union officer. Labor contract negotiations are his bread and butter.
Possibly, but that just help my point that this is an unusual take.
Anbuspider
Maybe there, maybe not
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- Ireland
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Quite, though I think we can all agree that 'unusual' doesn't in any way shape or form mean ether bad or substandard.
Edit: Not saying you were implying that, just making my opinion known.
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Not how it works.
Danny would have the contact information for some good labor negotiators and lawyers, and could easily get a good lawyer to help, but his job does not involve negotiations.
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
Based on his title that is exactly what his job would be - negotiating jobs for the other workers.