This is most likely because the people involved don't actually understand nature. They want the Shire, when Nature is Mirkwood.
The Taste of Peaches (Worm AU)
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Crazael
Rehydrated Demon King
- Location
- Lost to the vagaries of time.
Im not gonna speculate as to why it happens. Just that it did.
- Location
- Michigan
Most likey because of farming and advancement in technology for farming, shelter, and more. Where nature was tamed and supported us instead of when it was a danger to look out for. Mostly we still look out for the more dangerous weather and animals but they are mostly a moot point. There is a reason "Mother Nature is a bitch" is still a common phrase but is still looked upon nicely. Due to how much we have advanced and turned nature to our purposes instead of going with nature because we had to.
Almech_Alfarion
(Unverified Paradox)
- Location
- Roaming the Void of the Space between Spaces
And then you hear another story about a group of college students who went backpacking out in some remote area of a national park or preserve only to never be seen again, and get the sudden stark reminder that mother nature will still swallow you whole the minute you step off that beaten path if you don't show her the same care, respect and wariness our ancestors did.
- Location
- Michigan
Yes, but for the most part that is a rarity, at least in the developed world.
There are a lot of places even in england, which is probably one of the most domesticated lands in the world, were you can easily die if you aren't careful. Nature never really leaves, and anywhere could return to it's naturally high lethality within a generation or two.
Crazael
Rehydrated Demon King
- Location
- Lost to the vagaries of time.
I live in California. Most of the hiking trails here strongly recommend you don't go hiking alone because there are mountain lions out there and they just might decide you are food. It doesn't happen often, but it happens often enough that it's a legitimate concern and people get told to keep an eye out.
- Location
- Georgia
In Planescape, specifically in Sigil, there is a temple devoted to dead gods, with members actually taking people to the place where the bodies of dead gods lie until they either revive or fade away. Many have speculated that this temple is unknowingly fulfilling the role of priesthood for the god of Atheism, which feeds on disrupting people's beliefs in anything else.
My thesis in philosophy was on the inherent flaws in proving the existence or non-existence of sentient beings who don't cooperate with your experiments. Whether or not something is there can't be proven unless something that IS there decides it wants to reveal itself. Science's focus on experiments that can be repeated by other scientists means it would take a very patient set of higher beings to prove their existence, so we can't have positive proof, and it is equally impossible to prove a negative.
People thus tend to believe based on their personal experience, either for or against. I haven't had a deity speak to me in person, but am not offended by the idea there might be one out there. I havee, however, seen enough things that should have been impossible by current paradigms to be more open to what others claim to have experienced on their own.
All of that said, though, part of the issue is that "atheism" covers a lot of belief structures. For most, they just don't see a reason to believe. For some, though, the very idea of people believing in a god, any god, offends them on a deep level and drives them to attempt to tear down any theistic beliefs. For those people, Atheism really is their religion.
The god of not being able to keep his mouth shut to save his own life, insulting people, and being so much of a creep he gets banned from setting foot in any nation on the planet....
I've got a jar of di~rt!
The change is simple, and inherent in the term 'civilization', which literally means "city life". Putting nature at a remove makes it easier to see the positive and not notice the negative. It doesn't help that the people who were telling the tales and writing the histories laregly studied in the major cities.
I like the slogan a while back urging you to remember that Nature is a Mother.
- Location
- UK
No, it really doesnt. No matter what definition you use for religion, Atheism cannot meet it without also including things like sports teams and DnD groups. There are Atheistic religions in that they dont have a deity or something similar, like some sects of Buddhism, but Atheism itself doesnt even apply as a world view. Theres also the fact that most of those people dont actually give a shit about the god belief and their desire to get rid of religion comes from the fact that the organized religions that they tend to be originally from are abusive and tout horrific belief systems.
I tend to find that if I've seen something that I thought was impossible, five minutes online will let me find how it's explained in the current understanding of the world.
- Location
- Georgia
This is my last comment on this particular issue. There's a reason threadlocks and mod posts have come up. It is only a small quibble, but one I need to clarify: I speak not of an absence of belief, but a belief, a certainty, of absence. That blind faith is what becomes a religion all its own.
I'm mildly autistic. One aspect of this is that I have sensory integration disorder, which just means that my subconscious doesn't do all of the work it's supposed to be doing before presenting my conscious mind with the results. I've had to learn to do this consciously instead, which means I am much more intimately aware of the data my senses are providing, and am very good at telling when they are lying or disagreeing. So, for instance, my sense of balance could say I'm leaning to the right, but I compare that to the feel of the ground under my feet, the angle of my vision, whether anything around me is moving(as the floor tilting would cause), and decide that it's my sense of balance being wonky. This matters in this context because I do double check everything I'm sensing* before questioning what is actually going on.
Despite that, I have repeatedly wound up somewhere hundreds of miles away from where I started in less than a half hour without crossing any of the major highways between where I started and wound up.** I've had a series of items just drop into my room. I didn't see it, but I heard it, and the items had no business being in my house, much less in my basement bedroom. The one I actually had empirical data on involved a very simple demonstration of acceleration via gravity that gave different results every time performed.... but only if I was standing near the device in question. Running the other five devices at the same time showed it was always the one I was near that misbehaved, at one point showing the dropped weight actually slowing down halfway through the drop.
A good scientist checks themselves first, then checks whatever means they used to observe the apparent impossibility, checks with other perspectives to see if the problem was an artifact of alignment, and yes, even looking deeper into the theory, as your own understanding of the theory can be to blame. It's the events where I go through that checklist and still find that the only thing that says what I witnessed didn't happen is accepted theory, and all other evidence says it did.
*Picking up through my senses, not ESP
**I'm not bad at directions, I'm gifted at getting lost
Archeo Lumiere
The Prince's Archivist
- Location
- Lumiose City, Kalos
- Pronouns
- He/Him/They/Them
... Ryōga? Is that you? Also you should reach out to @FaerieKnight79, they have some stories to tell as well about weird shit happening.
Crazael
Rehydrated Demon King
- Location
- Lost to the vagaries of time.
Why do people keep telling me this like it's something I didn't already know? That I'm not willing to dive into the hows and whys because I know it would quickly become a derail in no way means that I am not aware of the role the birth of large scale civilization had in the transition.
FaerieKnight79
Verified Pixie
- Location
- The Internet
Because text often doesn't convey sarcasm very well, and people blindly assume not mentioning something equals not knowing it.
Time to get back on topic
- Location
- Australia
- Pronouns
- She/Her
time to get back on topic
Time to get back on topic, everyone. Circle back to the fic.
Time to get back on topic, everyone. Circle back to the fic.
Arsur3215Loki
(Unverified Slacker) (606,782,305th Master)
- Location
- Laguna, Philippines
You are correct as the Lost Topic must be pruned for the Pan-Thread to survive, the Grand Mod has yet to end. Indeed the tragedy of Pan-reader, we could only witness the thread be derailed.
Sorry can't help it, anyway need to reread this since I forgot I was stocking up some chaps to read and forgot about this.
I don't think there's been anything since January '22? Unless there is stuff that's not been threadmarked.
- Location
- Georgia
I went for a different approach than others, but sometimes, the person I choose to quote is quoted just to provide a reference to the conversational thread, rather than a specific person's post. In this case, my comment was intended as, "It's not about taming nature, it's about the people writing this stuff down never even seeing a natural setting". If that didn't come across, my apologies, as I was only attempting to counter, "Nature deities became more benevolent as Nature got tamed."
It doesn't feel that long, but that may just be because new readers have repeatedly drawn us back to it. Grounders, sadly, has a limit on the amount of writing for fun that they're allowed to do, so we just hope that the stories we like the most will be the ones to grab the author's attention and time.
Arsur3215Loki
(Unverified Slacker) (606,782,305th Master)
- Location
- Laguna, Philippines
Not exactly, my last read chapter was Chapter ten and anything after that I haven't read. To tell you the truth, I actually forgot about this story.
Now that I think about it, I somewhat remember a Katsune!Taylor story where she's an ABB member and close to Lung and Bakuda.
- Location
- Virginia
Do you have a link for that?
- Location
- Michigan
I think I remember that one, but cannot remember the name of it.
Grounders10
Nine-Tailed Kitsune
- Location
- British Columbia, Canada, Mars
... While I haven't gotten to work on this floof quite yet (I do intend to). That said... I am working on floof atm.Wish there would be something to circle back to...
Part of it is a focus issue. ^^; my brain is wheeeeeeeeeeeee at times.
FaerieKnight79
Verified Pixie
- Location
- The Internet
It doesn't feel like it's been a year though.