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The Princess of Blades (Naruto/Exalted)

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Yog said:
??? You are misreading. Or I misspoke. I was absolutely suggesting it as a chakra control exercise. Take object, make it spin at a consistent rate. As all chakra control exercises, it has practical uses:
1) Circular saw-like weapons without engines (kienzan anyone?)
2) Rollerblades that could potentially stick to any surface
3) Generating electricity to power personal equipment, such as to electrify wires without the need to use chakra for that (potentially useful against sensors, might not share same limitations / weaknesses as lightning release)
4) Potentially boosts to taijutsu (basically, twist and pull your enemy's flesh with every strike).
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'Not on an industrial scale' in response to 'using chakra to generate power would be inefficient compared to other methods' certainly suggests you were talking about industrial/large scale chakra-based electricity generation. I actually can't think of another interpretation that makes sense, tbh.

As for its use purely as an exercise... I can see arguments for and against each point, to tell the truth, so I'm staying out of that one.
 
NSMS said:
'Not on an industrial scale' in response to 'using chakra to generate power would be inefficient compared to other methods' certainly suggests you were talking about industrial/large scale chakra-based electricity generation. I actually can't think of another interpretation that makes sense, tbh.

As for its use purely as an exercise... I can see arguments for and against each point, to tell the truth, so I'm staying out of that one.
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Sorry about that. I read your post as "using chakra to generate power [my inference: on industrial scale] would be inefficient compared to other methods [my inference: such as traditional IRL energy generation, or some esoteric arcanotech]|. I responded with "not on an industrial scale", meaning that I wasn't talking about industrial scale applications, but rather about personal level ones. Again, I apologize.
 
Yog said:
Sorry about that. I read your post as "using chakra to generate power [my inference: on industrial scale] would be inefficient compared to other methods [my inference: such as traditional IRL energy generation, or some esoteric arcanotech]|. I responded with "not on an industrial scale", meaning that I wasn't talking about industrial scale applications, but rather about personal level ones. Again, I apologize.
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Not a problem, and no need to apologise; it was just a miscommunication, and I see what you meant now. And sorry for misinterpreting it.

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DAMN YOU ENGLISH LANGUAGE FOR BEING SO EASY TO BE IMPRECISE WITH, DAAAAMN YOOOOOU!!!
 
chocolote12 said:
Industrial Revolution.
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Took sixty to eighty years of time, the efforts of literally millions of people, and was built on literally centuries of knowledge and best-practice.
Not one genin less than a year out of the Academy.

I mean, let me quote myself again:
uju32 said:
Shinobi aren't stupid, and the Great Villages, as well as the clans that formed them, have at least a sixty year history, with decades of general warfare before that. The brutal Darwinism of constant warfare would have grabbed all the low-hanging fruit and killed off people who weren't optimizing for efficiency.

There may be room for improvement, but we are not going to improve on that with a genin months out of the Academy.
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I mean, I'm a Haruno Sakura fan myself, but expecting her to come up with improvements in shinobi training methods on par with what the Industrial Revolution did for manufacturing and productivity might be expecting a little too much.
Just a tad.

Besides, if anything on the paradigm-shaking scale of the Industrial Revolution was in progress, you WOULD see it's effects on-screen.
That's what happened in post-Shippuden canon, when laptops started appearing on Naruto's desk, and magitech like the kote started showing up out of research labs.
 
uju32 said:
Besides, if anything on the paradigm-shaking scale of the Industrial Revolution was in progress, you WOULD see it's effects on-screen.
That's what happened in post-Shippuden canon, when laptops started appearing on Naruto's desk, and magitech like the kote started showing up out of research labs.
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Even during Shippuden they have portable radios and such.

But then the Naruto technology debate is a brick being wrapped in a migraine being slammed right into my head as GM, so I'd really rather not get into that. (Even though it's probably inevitable).

Edit: In addition, this video neatly demonstrates how willing each member of Team Gai is to play along with Gai's shenanigans.
 
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uju32 said:
I mean, I'm a Haruno Sakura fan myself, but expecting her to come up with improvements in shinobi training methods on par with what the Industrial Revolution did for manufacturing and productivity might be expecting a little too much.
Just a tad.
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The problem with that is that beyond first two general control exercises (that we know all chunin learn), and one very specialized high-level one (rasengan training), we have zero ideas of what training methods, chakra tricks and such exist. At all. We see low level before any specializations, then we skip straight into S-class fights.

Saying "we didn't see or hear about these kinda tactics, therefor they don't exist and, therefor, they would not work" is wrong, because we have zero idea how most chuunin and generic jounin fight or train. Take my spinning idea. Who says there aren't many chuunin using that trick to make their shuriken spin faster and fly farther? Or some wire specialist in cloud with a portable generator strapped to his back? We don't see them among the super sayian S-class monsters. Doesn't mean they aren't there at all.
 
Crilltic said:
Even during Shippuden they have portable radios and such.

But then the Naruto technology debate is a brick being wrapped in a migraine being slammed right into my head as GM, so I'd really rather not get into that. (Even though it's probably inevitable).

Edit: In addition, this video neatly demonstrates how willing each member of Team Gai is to play along with Gai's shenanigans.
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The biggest argument for Naruto's world being fairly industrial is Wave Mission, and Wave country. I mean, they are explicitely stated to have no ninjas, so what they have and do is non-chakra based. And look at what they have! The bridge construction shows steel beams, powered cranes, bolts and nuts (which means standartization and mass production and threading) . An eagle eye view of the village (chapter 19, page 6) shows what looks like power cables. There are multiple photographs, including ones taken around nature, meaning portable photo cameras.

Personally, I would put ninja world somewhere at around 1930s with weapon design being very strange indeed. But that's just me.
 
[X] Sure! - Unlocks Sakura as a training partner. (Boost to Ninjutsu and Genjutsu Training). Finishes Sakura intimacy. However, she expects you to actually spar with her. Increased chance for encountering Team 7 members in random encounters.
- [X] Yes. Modify the training schedule.
--[X]Invite her to Water-Walking and Panoptic Fusion Discipline

I'm assuming the vote is still open? I skipped a bit due to the arguments. Also, a few people have the third vote incorrectly indented.
Crilltic said:
"Come on! Find those limits! Push past them! Never give up!"
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Did she even notice?
magicdownunder said:
Ewwww... Sakura, we need more Temari friemy time!
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Why not both?

... Seriously, we can have all the female friends. Why limit ourselves?
 
Crilltic said:
Even during Shippuden they have portable radios and such.
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And still use messenger hawks:V
Like I said, there are reasons not to poke the internal consistency of the underlying universe.
It's a shonen manga, not a simulation; trying to reconcile large segments of the setting without a rebuild from the ground-up is a futile endeavor.

Crilltic said:
But then the Naruto technology debate is a brick being wrapped in a migraine being slammed right into my head as GM, so I'd really rather not get into that. (Even though it's probably inevitable).
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This.
Avoiding them as I can, not always successfully.

Though if you want an entertaining read, you might look up some of the worldbuilding for Habanero Quest by @LordsFire over on SB; died three years ago, like a lot of quests tend to, but it was good while it lasted.
@Yog should remember it.
 
NSMS said:
Personally, I'd put general Naruto tech levels at 'Plot'.
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Yeah, and that's where the dial is going to firmly remain, for my own sanity if nothing else.
Scify said:
Did she even notice?
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She did actually, because she was deliberately doing what Gai did to his team as his test. AKA "Beating them up constantly to see if they would keep standing back up."

She mentions it a bit further on, because hey, it worked for her team didn't it?
Why not both?

... Seriously, we can have all the female friends. Why limit ourselves?
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Well, there is a maximum number of intimacies you can have.
 
Crilltic said:
But then the Naruto technology debate is a brick being wrapped in a migraine being slammed right into my head as GM, so I'd really rather not get into that. (Even though it's probably inevitable).
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it could just be one village who specializes in technology and has used industrial jutsu who makes and sells all the high tech stuff we see. If it's moderately expensive that would explain why we mostly see wealthy ninjas using stuff. No one messes with them because like 90% of the world has agreed to defend them if they are attacked, and they are Switzerland levels of fortified neutral.

Any weirdness can be explained as being caused by a quick of Any weirdness can be explained as being caused by a quick of jutsu based production or trade deals, for example boat motors are cheap, but electronics are expensive because motors can be made by academy students and countries will bargain for a good price on them, but electronics are harder and may only come in chakra powered varieties so only ninja can afford/use them.
 
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uju32 said:
Which is why Presence[Channeling Gai] is one of the only two Presence specialties possible for Tenten.
:V
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The danger with that is, every time she uses it she rolls dice equal to the specialty and gains that many successes in Gai!Limit. Then when her Gai!Limit hits ten, she enters a Gai!Limit Break, which involves bowl cuts, jumpsuits, eyebrows, and screaming about YOOOOUTH!!!
 
NSMS said:
The danger with that is, every time she uses it she rolls dice equal to the specialty and gains that many successes in Gai!Limit. Then when her Gai!Limit hits ten, she enters a Gai!Limit Break, which involves bowl cuts, jumpsuits, eyebrows, and screaming about YOOOOUTH!!!
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Her natural straight-man tendencies provide some measure of natural defenses against the Power of Youth, but even she can be overwhelmed with misuse.
 
random_npc said:
it could just be one village who specializes in technology and has used industrial jutsu who makes and sells all the high tech stuff we see. If it's moderately expensive that would explain why we mostly see wealthy ninjas using stuff. No one messes with them because like 90% of the world has agreed to defend them if they are attacked, and they are Switzerland levels of fortified neutral.
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If anyone had this sort of capability, it's too much of a strategic advantage to be left alone, neutral or not; every major village would have stolen the industrial processes by now. Do remember that Kabuto infiltrated every major village, and Orochimaru successfully impersonated a Kage.
And Obito outright controlled the Mizukage for years.

At worst, they'd hire the Akatsuki as a deniable mercenary group to steal the data; it's how they were used before after all.
 
uju32 said:
If anyone had this sort of capability, it's too much of a strategic advantage to be left alone, neutral or not; every major village would have stolen the industrial processes by now. Do remember that Kabuto infiltrated every major village, and Orochimaru successfully impersonated a Kage.
And Obito outright controlled the Mizukage for years.

At worst, they'd hire the Akatsuki as a deniable mercenary group to steal the data; it's how they were used before after all.
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If you're not picking sides and are too small by yourself to be a threat people will be willing to do business with you if you have some major advantage you are willing to sell them. As for infiltration, A mid sized village that can devote most of it's effort to protecting aginst attack and infiltration, and who may have access to unique and poorly understood tools is going to be one hell of a hard nut to crack. It makes more sense than the bazaar schizo tech we see in canon, and having an answer about that might matter if we decide to dip into crafting charms at some point.
 
[X] Sure! - Unlocks Sakura as a training partner. (Boost to Ninjutsu and Genjutsu Training). Finishes Sakura intimacy. However, she expects you to actually spar with her. Increased chance for encountering Team 7 members in random encounters.
[X] Sure!
- [X] Yes. Modify the training schedule.
 
random_npc said:
If you're not picking sides and are too small by yourself to be a threat people will be willing to do business with you if you have some major advantage you are willing to sell them. As for infiltration, A mid sized village that can devote most of it's effort to protecting aginst attack and infiltration, and who may have access to unique and poorly understood tools is going to be one hell of a hard nut to crack. It makes more sense than the bazaar schizo tech we see in canon, and having an answer about that might matter if we decide to dip into crafting charms at some point.
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On the other hand, if you're too small to be a threat there's nothing stopping a larger group wiping you out and nicking all your stuff in a single night. Or just one or two S-class ninja. As for infiltration and stealing secrets, remember some of the stuff we've seen in canon; body-jacking and memory reading (Yamanaka), memory suppression on infiltrators that lasts years (Sasori), eyes that can see stuff from fifty kilometers away (Hyuuga)...
 
random_npc said:
As for infiltration, A mid sized village that can devote most of it's effort to protecting aginst attack and infiltration, and who may have access to unique and poorly understood tools is going to be one hell of a hard nut to crack
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Is the juice worth the squeeze? Then people will make the effort.
The major villages of Suna and Kiri had their Kages impersonated or controlled, and Konoha's had a dude with a mindcontrolling Sharingan sitting undetected next to him for a decade. The head of Iron was mindcontrolled in the middle of an entire meeting of Kages and noone noticed except for the guy with a stolen, hidden Byakugan.

The idea that a minor village has the resources to maintain the kind of security that will defeat espionage from five major villages is laughable.
NSMS said:
On the other hand, if you're too small to be a threat there's nothing stopping a larger group wiping you out and nicking all your stuff in a single night.
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This.
Remember what happened to Uzushiogakure.
 
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