Thank you mod intervention.

Anyway, new topic.

When we meet the Anbu's friend, we shouldn't be blatant about wanting to be trained by her or withhold what she wants to know about Hayate back until we get a training agreement.

Because that doesn't endear us to anyone.
 
Have to be honest: completely disinterested in Kin. I'll try to elaborate, but, so ar, it's mostly personal opinion. Ok, so she's a genin taken in by Orochimaru, and a disposable pawn. So? There were hundreds of those.
While I agree that Orochimaru sent that team there because he didn't really beleive they would be a large loss for him, I'll also have to disagree on the part that they were totally disposable, Orochimaru spent time cultivating their skills and their potential use for him, I'm fairly sure Orochimaru was quite involved in their lives, both to reinforce their loyalty and train them to serve him

Half the fun is changing things and making the character do something new that they never did in the show, including dating that other female lead, their male rival, and that one person who showed up for half an episode but who still warranted a name.
I half agree with you on this, the whole point of this type of quest is to basically watch our plot want and needs be satisfied by participating, I also really dislike when shallow relationships are proposed because its stereotypical of this situation to happen, yes Kin is lonely, intensely conflicted on her core values, it'd also be really unfair to take advantage of this type of fragility, it reminds me of some very unsavoury things I've read

But seeing the mod intervention this is my only input on the progress of any of Tentens possible relationships
 
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While I agree that Orochimaru sent that team there because he didn't really beleive they would be a large loss for him, I'll also have to disagree on the part that they were totally disposable, Orochimaru spent time cultivating their skills and their potential use for him, I'm fairly sure Orochimaru was quite involved in their lives, both to reinforce their loyalty and train them to serve him
They were investments and test subjects. Still doesn't mean I find her interesting at all.
 
I half agree with you on this, the whole point of this type of quest is to basically watch our plot want and needs be satisfied by participating, I also really dislike when shallow relationships are proposed because its stereotypical of this situation to happen, yes Kin is lonely, intensely conflicted on her core values, it'd also be really unfair to take advantage of this type of fragility, it reminds me of some very unsavoury things I've read
That's not really fair. Every relationship starts off a bit shallow, because you never truely know that side of the person until you actually, tangibly experience it yourself.

There is a distinct diffence from being friends with them for years and dating them.

So, yeah, start off shallow, get deep.

Still, I do agree with your last point. The cynical me would say that everyone uses each other in a relationship, but it's 2017 and I am trying to be positive, so...
 
Thank you mod intervention.
Anyway, new topic.

When we meet the Anbu's friend, we shouldn't be blatant about wanting to be trained by her or withhold what she wants to know about Hayate back until we get a training agreement.
Because that doesn't endear us to anyone.
I quote:
Tenten is naturally observant and inquisitive. She is strongly-opinionated about women, and has a distaste for weakness and being over-reliant on others. However, she is compassionate and helpful, always striving to be kind and caring towards others. This is especially true for her teammates, who she cares for deeply. Despite this however, she often finds herself exasperated at their antics, which can lead to her fierce temper emerging, especially if she feels she is not being respected. Tenten is highly determined, and willing to go to extreme lengths to accomplish her dreams, and is not dissuaded easily.
Girl isn't crass.
 
They were investments and test subjects. Still doesn't mean I find her interesting at all.
I wasn't actually commenting on my interest for Kin I was talking about how I didn't believe that Orochimaru viewed them as disposable pawns, yes he was invested in them a test subjects, look at the resources and effort that went into creating and or cultivating them, they weren't even at their peak efficiency as ninja, why wouldn't he care for the loss of perfectly usable test subjects and ninja for his village?

So, yeah, start off shallow, get deep.
I didn't mean that kind of shallow, I meant that the reasoning for pursuing the relationship was shallow
 
Serious question, is Sound village aware that Orochimaru is a traitor to his home Village? Was kind of surprised it didn't come up considering that Kin felt bad about being a traitor and how they are treated despite their village being run by one.
 
Serious question, is Sound village aware that Orochimaru is a traitor to his home Village? Was kind of surprised it didn't come up considering that Kin felt bad about being a traitor and how they are treated despite their village being run by one.
They do not really care. A lot of them were rescued and given power and prestige. That engenders loyalty on top of the already health bit of fear that they have of him.

Think of all of the Sound Nin you can remember, all of them were willing to kill and die for him and they all knew the kind of person he was.

But, it's an us vs them mentality that I think Orichi built up that did the most of it.
 
On the topic of the sound team being cultivated and the amount of effort Orochimaru put into them... remember, this year's exams were not normal. There were two jinchuuriki, Konoha's most talented rookie generation, and several completely OP bloodlines.

Take that out, remember the skills displayed by the sound team, and it's not hard to guess that in a more normal exam? They'd easily have been finalists, possibly the overall winners. And doesn't that sound (no pun intended) exactly like the sort of thing Orochimaru would do to twist the knife? Having a new village come out of nowhere and humiliate Konoha on their own turf, right before he kills his target and smashes them; just one extra sadistic punch to the gut.

Put in that context, the way he treats them after they lose actually makes a fair bit more sense. He's not just getting rid of them because they lost, their losing is a personal failure on his part- the team he set up to humiliate Konoha being defeated humiliating themselves. Better cover it up and forget about it as quickly as possible.
 
On the topic of the sound team being cultivated and the amount of effort Orochimaru put into them... remember, this year's exams were not normal. There were two jinchuuriki, Konoha's most talented rookie generation, and several completely OP bloodlines.

Take that out, remember the skills displayed by the sound team, and it's not hard to guess that in a more normal exam? They'd easily have been finalists, possibly the overall winners. And doesn't that sound (no pun intended) exactly like the sort of thing Orochimaru would do to twist the knife? Having a new village come out of nowhere and humiliate Konoha on their own turf, right before he kills his target and smashes them; just one extra sadistic punch to the gut.

Put in that context, the way he treats them after they lose actually makes a fair bit more sense. He's not just getting rid of them because they lost, their losing is a personal failure on his part- the team he set up to humiliate Konoha being defeated humiliating themselves. Better cover it up and forget about it as quickly as possible.
That seems pretty likely, the team used was...while amazingly talented and skilled, also at the same time not exactly rare as bloodlines go for the most part, aside from the one who was already dying slowly. Nothing that would hold him back to preserve them as specimens.

Yes, they are rare talents, but they're the ordinary sort of rare talents.
 
Orochimaru is somehow scarily good at inspiring loyalty. And he isnt even necessarily secretive about treating others as pawns.

Dosu is the prime example here i think. He was given a mission, kill Sasuke. However, after failing he figured out that the goal was never for him to suceed, but to fail and probably die to test Sasuke. And his reaction to what amounts to being betrayed by his superior? Planning how he can play his role as a sacrifice for orochimarus purpose as well as possible. Gaara happens at this point, but the sheer loyalty shown here, even if it was clear he was considered worthless...


Same with Kin, more or less. Oh, she overcame it, but shes feeling horribly guilty and depressed about turning on someone who she more or less knows considers her worthless and would have killed her or worse.

Im finding Kin very interesting, and yeah, we should build an intimacy with her (That exalted calls every kind of relationship that really is not helping) (Seriously, for actual dating we should probably wait a while, fourteen is kinda squicky).


And ressurrection, as someone brought up, is something we should pack on a to investigate list later. Its perfectly possible here, not just edo tensei, but actually true life, even if most are seemingly powered by equivalent exchange kinda stuff (but not all, and theres at least one example of exchanging one life for hundreds).
Thats our change to surpass all other exalted.
 
Doesn't Naruto use his clones as throwing weapons? And he has so many of them, surely he could spare a few...hundred?
 
Orochimaru is somehow scarily good at inspiring loyalty. And he isnt even necessarily secretive about treating others as pawns.

Dosu is the prime example here i think. He was given a mission, kill Sasuke. However, after failing he figured out that the goal was never for him to suceed, but to fail and probably die to test Sasuke. And his reaction to what amounts to being betrayed by his superior? Planning how he can play his role as a sacrifice for orochimarus purpose as well as possible. Gaara happens at this point, but the sheer loyalty shown here, even if it was clear he was considered worthless...
I kinda feel like this paints Orochimaru as akin to a cult leader. If you're indoctrinated and the cult leader does something bad to you, you're likely to think it's your own fault because the cult leader is always right.
 
I kinda feel like this paints Orochimaru as akin to a cult leader. If you're indoctrinated and the cult leader does something bad to you, you're likely to think it's your own fault because the cult leader is always right.

He usually goes for the desperate, dispossessed or hopeless ones, then gave them hope and change in exchange for doing Science to them.

Standard loyalty recipe here
 
He usually goes for the desperate, dispossessed or hopeless ones, then gave them hope and change in exchange for doing Science to them.

Standard loyalty recipe here
There also seem to be a large number that were aimless and thought they had no place or no purpose, and offers them the purpose of absolute loyalty to him. Which seems to work a lot too.

Some others may have been promised revenge or similliar, or simply flat out power.
 
And his reaction to what amounts to being betrayed by his superior? Planning how he can play his role as a sacrifice for orochimarus purpose as well as possible.
Umm, no. That's the exact opposite of how Dosu reacted:


And a few pages later:


He wanted to get into the finals in order to kill Sasuke to ruin Orochimaru's plans, as revenge for how he treated them.
 
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I kinda feel like this paints Orochimaru as akin to a cult leader. If you're indoctrinated and the cult leader does something bad to you, you're likely to think it's your own fault because the cult leader is always right.
Realistically speaking, all ninja are indoctrinated like this to a greater or lesser extent; it's just that rather than their loyalty being focused on their kage alone it's directed at their village and village's ideal as well (will of fire, anybody?).
 
Umm, no. That's the exact opposite of how Dosu reacted:


And a few pages later:


He wanted to get into the finals in order to kill Sasuke to ruin Orochimaru's plans, as revenge for how he treated them.
Upon review, you are right... huh.

This came from the Anime, where its a bit more ambigous, but even there upon rewatching, that interpretation fits far better. Hmm...


Anyway, dosent matter much to the overall Point. Orochimaru does inspire loyalty well, even if it didnt hold up here.
 
Orochimaru is very (evil) shonen protagonist. He gets his army of loyal minions through therapy no jutsu and heroic rescues.
Now, I really want there to be an Orochimaru quest, revolving around deciding how best to creep up to tragic orphans. For their own good. And for world domination. But mainly for their own good. Level of creepiness open to debate. Whether or not to be creepy? Not so much.
 
Now, I really want there to be an Orochimaru quest, revolving around deciding how best to creep up to tragic orphans. For their own good. And for world domination. But mainly for their own good. Level of creepiness open to debate. Whether or not to be creepy? Not so much.
And now i have the image of an Orochimaru who is utterly oblivious to how creepy he appears.
 
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