Chakra training exercise is a benefit all of itself, because it improves our ability to use chakra. Don't make a mistake of neglecting ninja-side for exalted side.
Noone is; this turn we're doing Water Walking remember?
But if you're attesting neither is sufficient, the GCS is the logical next step.
In this particular case, do we want to spend XP on this charm, and later essence on using it, or do we spend XP on training the proposed chakra control exercise and later chakra on using it? Both have similar, but different benefits and costs.
We already know Tree Walking. We're learning Water Walking.
If despite everything, those two aren't adequate? Then yes, we want Graceful Crane.

It's not like the slots we spend on chakra training are free; they come at the expense of other things.
We unlock chakra tiers by training chakra techniques, not just by practicing chakra control.
In-universe, there is no suggestion that you can get usable chakra without living people, who get chakra depleted.
Nature chakra is only available to a very small number of people, and even they can only handle so much.

Electricity =/=Lightning-nature chakra.

More generally? You are trying to science what is basically magic. That never works well.
The Narutoverse is not a rigorous simulation with hard rules whose consequences were thought out ahead of time; a lot of shit here is Rule of Cool.
Poking at it too hard ruins the illusion.
 
Noone is; this turn we're doing Water Walking remember?
But if you're attesting neither is sufficient, the GCS is the logical next step.

We already know Tree Walking. We're learning Water Walking.
If despite everything, those two aren't adequate? Then yes, we want Graceful Crane.

It's not like the slots we spend on chakra training are free; they come at the expense of other things.
We unlock chakra tiers by training chakra techniques, not just by practicing chakra control.
Are you positing that improving chakra control beyond the level expected of all chuunin is a waste of time?
In-universe, there is no suggestion that you can get usable chakra without living people, who get chakra depleted.
Nature chakra is only available to a very small number of people, and even they can only handle so much.
How is this in any way related to what I was talking about?
More generally? You are trying to science what is basically magic. That never works well.
The Narutoverse is not a rigorous simulation with hard rules whose consequences were thought out ahead of time; a lot of shit here is Rule of Cool.
Poking at it too hard ruins the illusion.
For there to be an illusion, some level of internal consistency has to be present.
 
[X] Sure! - Unlocks Sakura as a training partner. (Boost to Ninjutsu and Genjutsu Training). Finishes Sakura intimacy. However, she expects you to actually spar with her. Increased chance for encountering Team 7 members in random encounters.
- [X] Spend one day a week sparring with Sakura.

Ewwww... Sakura, we need more Temari friemy time!
But this is our chance to shape her into something other than a carbon copy of Tsunade.

Also, if Tenten ever did go full jumpsuit, seeing the next generation would be funny. Lee and her both taking genin teams and those brats undergoing the same transformation. Give it a few decades and you'd have a real cult going.
 
...Also, darnit guys! You've got me watching Rock Lee and his Ninja Pals now!
Rock Lee and His Ninja Pals is arguably a bigger influence on this quest than the main series. :V If only because that's the only place Tenten got an actual characterization.
@Crilltic
QUESTION
1)What numerical discount does Sakura give? For planning purposes.
2)How many people/tutors can we stack on a training session at the same time?
3)How many training slots to figure out our chakra nature in this quest?
1) She reduces the XP to learn Jutsu by one (So in the case of Ninjutsu and Genjutsu, it reduces them from 5 XP to 4 XP)
2) Training Aids don't stack.
3) For just the chakra nature? No slots (it's literally just holding a piece of paper in your hands). However, to actually effectively get control of it, it counts the same as a Jutsu. In someways, it's theoretically similar to training an excellency.
 
The face when Haruno Sakura is as good for learning ninjutsu as Hatake Karachi....

Team 7 doesn't know what they're missing.
She's not though. There are better Ninjutsu and Genjutsu trainers you can find, but just in game terms there's a conflict between lack of fidelity in how much I can give for bonuses and also I have a hard-cap on how much discounts I give. But like, if you got Kakashi or another Ninjutsu expert to train you, it'd bring them down to 3 XP (Just like Gai does for Taijutsu and his bonuses, etc.)
 
She's not though. There are better Ninjutsu and Genjutsu trainers you can find, but just in game terms there's a conflict between lack of fidelity in how much I can give for bonuses and also I have a hard-cap on how much discounts I give. But like, if you got Kakashi or another Ninjutsu expert to train you, it'd bring them down to 3 XP (Just like Gai does for Taijutsu and his bonuses, etc.)
Plus I imagine Sakura caps out sooner. She can't train you above her own level.
 
Rock Lee and His Ninja Pals is arguably a bigger influence on this quest than the main series. :V If only because that's the only place Tenten got an actual characterization.
Never had the time to watch that show.
But I will admit that the Lee vs Sasuke fight in that show was better than the Sasuke vs Team 7 fight we got in Shippuden; better animated than the Pain vs Naruto fight, too.

1) She reduces the XP to learn Jutsu by one (So in the case of Ninjutsu and Genjutsu, it reduces them from 5 XP to 4 XP)
2) Training Aids don't stack.
3) For just the chakra nature? No slots (it's literally just holding a piece of paper in your hands). However, to actually effectively get control of it, it counts the same as a Jutsu. In someways, it's theoretically similar to training an excellency.
1)Excellent.
2)The mechanical effects don't stack, true. Just hoping the social ones do, where appropriate.
3)Noted. What our nature turns out to be does determine what chakra techniques we're pursuing next.

QUESTION
-Chakra skill requirements for Chakra Flow?
Chakra Flow
-Where does this come from[ Occult ●●○○○ (Fortune-telling ●○○)]? Just curious:p

Team 7 doesn't know what they're missing.
Naruto and Sasuke both went to Sakura for help with Water Walking IIRC; they are entirely aware of how freakishly smart she is in areas she's knowledgeable of.

Plus I imagine Sakura caps out sooner. She can't train you above her own level.
She understands the theory though, even of shit she may not be currently capable of.
That actually helps.
 
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Updating my vote:

[X] Sure! - Unlocks Sakura as a training partner. (Boost to Ninjutsu and Genjutsu Training). Finishes Sakura intimacy. However, she expects you to actually spar with her. Increased chance for encountering Team 7 members in random encounters.
- [X] Yes. Modify the training schedule.
---[X]Invite her to Water-Walking and Panoptic Fusion Discipline
 
-Chakra skill requirements for Chakra Flow?
Chakra Flow
-Where does this come from[ Occult ●●○○○ (Fortune-telling ●○○)]? Just curious:p
Fortune-telling is Tenten's favorite non-weapon related hobby. And Chakra Flow is something you can learn now, at least the basic parts of just flowing over one blade.
Plus I imagine Sakura caps out sooner. She can't train you above her own level.
She understands the theory though, even of shit she may not be currently capable of.
That actually helps.
Sakura does tap out on the higher level stuff, at least until she can get a handle on it herself. But for what you're doing right now she's game.
 
[X] Sure! - Unlocks Sakura as a training partner. (Boost to Ninjutsu and Genjutsu Training). Finishes Sakura intimacy. However, she expects you to actually spar with her. Increased chance for encountering Team 7 members in random encounters.
- [X] Yes. Modify the training schedule.
---[X]Invite her to Water-Walking and Panoptic Fusion Discipline
 
Fortune-telling is Tenten's favorite non-weapon related hobby.
She had better start at least one fight by going "Your fortune is to lose to me today. Unlucky"
:p

And Chakra Flow is something you can learn now, at least the basic parts of just flowing over one blade.
Excellent; it's a cross-applicable technique that applies to both projectiles and melee weapons, regardless of elemental nature.
Once we get Shunshin out, this is what I would vote we get to work on.

Are you positing that improving chakra control beyond the level expected of all chuunin is a waste of time?
Yes.
We didn't make the finals on the back of our leet ninja skills; we did so because a celestial superweapon stapled itself to our soul(s) and gave us a power boost.

Furthermore, you are making the assumption that the new genin is going to develop new, better chakra control exercises from base principles than has occurred to the several generations of shinobi who have been born and raised here.
Or to the two elite jounin who are their respective jounin sensei.
That's...questionable, at best.

Like I said earlier, anything that assumes normal shinobi are too foolish or lazy to have covered foundational principles really isn't a good idea.
How is this in any way related to what I was talking about?
You are talking about generating electricity from chakra.

For there to be an illusion, some level of internal consistency has to be present.
Internal consistency of this universe does not have to resemble anything we are familiar with.
This is a universe where Lightning is the magic cutting and speed element, and Wind is more often used as a bludgeon.
Where sapient animals of different sizes are teleported in for combat purposes.

Furthermore, this is a universe based on a shonen manga.
Expecting rigorous levels of internal consistency is unwise at best.
 
Yes.
We didn't make the finals on the back of our leet ninja skills; we did so because a celestial superweapon stapled itself to our soul(s) and gave us a power boost.

Furthermore, you are making the assumption that the new genin is going to develop new, better chakra control exercises from base principles than has occurred to the several generations of shinobi who have been born and raised here.
Or to the two elite jounin who are their respective jounin sensei.
That's...questionable, at best.

Like I said earlier, anything that assumes normal shinobi are too foolish or lazy to have covered foundational principles really isn't a good idea.
I think the next level of Chakra control is either something like the Rasengan, medical control exercises, or elemental control exercises anyway.

Also, we're a Solar. Give us a few months and we might actually come up with something better than what they have right now. :V Granted it might not be replicable by Mortals like a lot of stuff from the First Age, but that's their problem of course. :V
 
Also, we're a Solar. Give us a few months and we might actually come up with something better than what they have right now. :V Granted it might not be replicable by Mortals like a lot of stuff from the First Age, but that's their problem of course. :V
Oh certainly.
But we already have those; it's Tiger Warrior Training Technique(E3, War 4) and Legendary Warrior Curriculum, which is E4, War 5, and allows us to teach special techniques to ourselves or others in a week regardless of their aptitude.

Expecting Sakura, smart as she is, to be anywhere in the same dimension is unfair to her and the people who trained us.
 
I'm not sure what would be next then. There really isn't much else for raw shaping control in canon beyond those two at this point.
Just learning normal techniques.
The better you get with a chakra technique, the more ways you can apply it.
Just ask Shikamaru, who got around to imbuing his technique into knives. Or Kakashi, who figured out how to apply Raikiri to a kunai.
 
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Just learning normal techniques.
The better you get with a chakra technique, the more ways you can apply it.
Just ask Shikamaru, who got around to imbuing his technique into knives. Or Kakashi, who figured out how to apply Raikiri to a kunai.
And how to make it do shapes and shit.

I think Kakashi was kinda bored then and just did crazy shit for fun and somehow it worked.
Oh certainly.
But we already have those; it's Tiger Warrior Training Technique(E3, War 4) and Legendary Warrior Curriculum, which is E4, War 5, and allows us to teach special techniques to ourselves or others in a week regardless of their aptitude.

Expecting Sakura, smart as she is, to be anywhere in the same dimension is unfair to her and the people who trained us.
You kinda were saying you didnt want them tho.
 
You are talking about generating electricity from chakra.
We can generate burned people using chakra, and burned things, and cold things, and we can build houses using chakra, and I'm not sure if it was filler or not but I think there might be chakra cooks as well. We can manipulate the physical world using Chakra. The physical world can be manipulated to generate electricity. Therefore, we can use Chakra to manipulate the physical world to generate Electricity. @Yog is right.
 
[X] Sure! - Unlocks Sakura as a training partner. (Boost to Ninjutsu and Genjutsu Training). Finishes Sakura intimacy. However, she expects you to actually spar with her. Increased chance for encountering Team 7 members in random encounters.
- [X] Yes. Modify the training schedule.
---[X]Invite her to Water-Walking and Panoptic Fusion Discipline
 
You kinda were saying you didnt want them tho.

Eh, pretty sure his stance is that Tiger Warrior Training really doesn't do us much good now. Which is true enough. It's a heavy commitment. I tend to agree, right now we need to get ready for shit to hit the fan.

Later on...maybe? I didn't know about Legendary Warrior Curriculum myself, but the fact that it requires E4 means that it will be a long ways off. Either by completing our Motivation, in which case we're already legendary, or finding several uninterrupted months to meditate on our Essence. Which will be very difficult
 
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You kinda were saying you didnt want them tho.
I don't; not at the moment, anyway, and certainly not for large scale use.
I am pointing out that if perfect tutoring was our issue, the charms already exist.
We can generate burned people using chakra, and burned things, and cold things, and we can build houses using chakra, and I'm not sure if it was filler or not but I think there might be chakra cooks as well. We can manipulate the physical world using Chakra. The physical world can be manipulated to generate electricity. Therefore, we can use Chakra to manipulate the physical world to generate Electricity. @Yog is right.
This is a world where tactical teleportation is a battlefield strategy. Where inextinguishable black fire burns for seven days.
Where chakra to matter conversion is something regularly demonstrated by any large scale Water or Lava Release user, let alone the Rinnegan users.

Do not assume RL rules hold true offscreen; we never get a look long enough to determine one way or the other.
Which is why I ask people not to poke at the underlying universe too hard.
 
Eh, pretty sure his stance is that Tiger Warrior Training really doesn't do us much good now. Which is true enough. It's a heavy commitment. I tend to agree, right now we need to get ready for shit to hit the fan.

Later on...maybe? I didn't know about Legendary Warrior Curriculum myself, but the fact that it requires E4 means that it will be a long ways off. Either by completing our Motivation, in which case we're already legendary, or finding several uninterrupted months to meditate on our Essence. Which will be very difficult
You can keep the Motivation across multiple Essence increases. It's basically... If we were Essence 2, saving Wave and getting known for it might have been enough to buy Essence 3. However Essence 3 to Essence 4 would require something much larger, like saving the entirety of the Land of Fire and being known for it. Or maybe killing an S-Rank nin on our own.

Essence 4 to 5 would see a similarly large jump in difficulty.
Do not assume RL rules hold true offscreen; we never get a look long enough to determine one way or the other.
Which is why I ask people not to poke at the underlying universe too hard.
I agree. They have electricity, but we don't see or hear anything about using ninja/chakra to generate it. And, also like Uju noted, ninja aren't stupid. If they're not doing it, there's a reason.
 
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