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Dear lord... a mod specifically came in here yesterday evening and told all you nitpicks, paraphrased, to shut up and get back on the topic, or leave the thread. Not less than five members have also asked you people to shut up already or go find the Harry Potter General discussion thread and continue your irrelevant to this thread discussion there, since... If you dumb asses don't stop the mods will have no choice but to lock the thread, and given the sheer amount of whining just four of you are doing post ponging between you in as little as 16 hours; it is unlikely that the OP will start a new one to pick up where this one left off.

Get this through your heads already. THIS ISN'T A HARRY POTTER GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD! Take those discussions some where else, and focus on the immediate, or near future of this quest for discussion.

Damn Trolls, trying to get a quest locked for your own amusement.

(EDIT) And no, I didn't call you trolls because you were discussing Harry Potter in general and irrelevant to the quest. I called you Trolls because you kept discussing Harry Potter in general, irrelevant to the quest, after a mod specifically told you to stop. Again. For the third time. In one week.
 
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Trondason said:
Cannon will go nothing like it did before.
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Irrelevant, the sword is still a magical plot device that appears where it is "needed" so that the forces of "goodness" (as defined by godric gryffindor) win.
We don't need that sword, we should let it do its thing and save people who do

Dr. Bob Doom said:
Also, unrelated to the above, but has anyone considered how Voldemort is going to return and bypass the blood protections now that he can't use Harry's blood? Injuring The Gamer just results in HP loss, not actual blood loss. Ergo, no "blood of the enemy, forcibly taken."
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Voldy said he could have taken blood from any enemy he wanted, he waited for harry specifically in order to copy "A Mother's Love" for himself and in so doing render himself immune to the condition. Probably inspired when he got burned by it when possessing quirrel.

I wonder if we can have blood drawn with a needle?

Anyways, the prophecy is keeping voldy at the same level as us, he is probably going to luck out and find a philosopher stone or some such.
 
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at some point we should probibly head into a curch or find a religion to increce those faith levels and complete that quest
 
Does the AD&D thief have any worthwhile skills that cannot be easily replaced with magic? Otherwise progressing that class is a waste of time.
 
Use Any Item : Use any item in the game regardless of class, alignment, or race restrictions.
That is useful to us, how exactly? Any items we get will likely be similar to The Gamer drops and they have none of the above restrictions.
And I don't think that skill is in even in AD&D. Pick Pockets, Open Locks, Find/Remove Traps, Move Silently, Hide in Shadows, Detect Noise, Climb Walls and Read Languages are the only thief skills I found for AD&D and none seem superior to the magical alternative.
 
Dorotien said:
Pick Pockets, Open Locks, Find/Remove Traps, Move Silently, Hide in Shadows, Detect Noise, Climb Walls and Read Languages are the only thief skills I found for AD&D and none seem superior to the magical alternative.
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Magical alternative in HP or magical alternative in AD&D? Because in the second book, when the weasleys come by in their flying car to break Harry out of his room, the twins are forced to pick a lock, muggle-style. They make a comment about how nobody ever thought it'd be a useful skill, yet there it was being useful.

I'm just saying it'd be ironic if the same occurs. We're forced to use muggle thieving skills after people (you) said it would never be useful.

On that note, it could be used as a bonding experience with the twins!

Also... *glances at mod* I kinda dodged a bullet. Thanks sleep, you saved me.
 
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redzonejoe said:
Magical alternative in HP or magical alternative in AD&D? Because in the second book, when the weasleys come by in their flying car to break Harry out of his room, the twins are forced to pick a lock, muggle-style. They make a comment about how nobody ever thought it'd be a useful skill, yet there it was being useful.

I'm just saying it'd be ironic if the same occurs. We're forced to use muggle thieving skills after people (you) said it would never be useful.

On that note, it could be used as a bonding experience with the twins!

Also... *glances at mod* I kinda dodged a bullet. Thanks sleep, you saved me.
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Please don't put words in my mouth. I never said that they could never be useful. I said they are not superior to the magical alternative.
The only reason the twins had to resort to opening it like that is because of the underaged magic restrictions, not because they couldn't do it with magic. And we already have the open locks skill, so that's a moot point.
Just because we have a bunch of classes available doesn't mean we have to train all of them. I'd prefer we focused on becoming truly proficient at magic first, rather than middling in a bunch of different classes, especially when magic makes many skills in said classes redundant.
 
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Dorotien said:
Please don't put words in my mouth. I never said that they could never be useful. I said they are not superior to the magical alternative.
The only reason the twins had to resort to opening it like that is because of the underaged magic restrictions, not beacuase they couldn't do it with magic. And we already have the open locks skill, so that's a moot point.
Just because we have a bunch of classes available doesn't mean we have to train all of them. I'd prefer we focused on becoming truly proficient at magic first, rather than middling in a bunch of different classes, especially when magic makes many skills in said classes redundant.
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I read 'inferior to the other options' and 'let's never use it' as 'this skill is basically without use to us, aka useless'.

And I know the weasleys had to operate around the underaged magic restrictions, that's my point: we don't know what obstacles might be in Harry's way, or what restrictions he might find himself under. Being prepared by having a variety of different, often redundant skills is a good strategy.

Somebody mentioned earlier that it's easier to go from 1-20 of a skill than from 98-99. I'm taking the logic a step further and suggesting that having 50 skills at level 20 is better than having 20 skills at level 99. Spread the training out so you'll be prepared, possibly over-prepared, for any situation. Especially the ones you haven't thought of yet!
 
redzonejoe said:
I read 'inferior to the other options' and 'let's never use it' as 'this skill is basically without use to us, aka useless'.

And I know the weasleys had to operate around the underaged magic restrictions, that's my point: we don't know what obstacles might be in Harry's way, or what restrictions he might find himself under. Being prepared by having a variety of different, often redundant skills is a good strategy.

Somebody mentioned earlier that it's easier to go from 1-20 of a skill than from 98-99. I'm taking the logic a step further and suggesting that having 50 skills at level 20 is better than having 20 skills at level 99. Spread the training out so you'll be prepared, possibly over-prepared, for any situation. Especially the ones you haven't thought of yet!
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They pick the lock beacuse minors can't use magic outside Hogwarts.
 
Corvo Montés said:
They pick the lock beacuse minors can't use magic outside Hogwarts.
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I know? I'm pretty sure I mentioned it myself.
Enjou said:
We're authorized to use magic outside of Hogwarts due to having Moody supervising and training us.
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We are, but that doesn't mean lockpicking or other mundane skills won't cone in handy in certain situations. If I recall correctly, the 'trace' has more to do with location than the person using magic. Wizarding families are supposed to keep their children in line because the government can't actually track which spells are being cast by whom in a location.

The trace also wasn't actually removed from us, we just don't automatically get expelled. For now. Sometime in the next 7 years, our exemption could get revoked. Or if we're visiting a muggle/muggleborn friend, using magic is a huge hassle and could get either us, them, or both in trouble. Harry getting in trouble from dobby's magic as proof.

Even if the twins were over 17 at the time of the second book, it's still possible they might have to use muggle means to avoid getting Harry in trouble... Though that doesn't explain the order showing up in book 5... Though they might have had somebody at the ministry at the time to take care of it... Hmm...

Anyways trace is bad, annoying, and though we have an exemption, having to show up at somebody else's trial to explain that it was actually us abusing their trust would be a hassle. So yes, let's learn non-magical skills, just in case.
 
redzonejoe said:
We are, but that doesn't mean lockpicking or other mundane skills won't cone in handy in certain situations. If I recall correctly, the 'trace' has more to do with location than the person using magic. Wizarding families are supposed to keep their children in line because the government can't actually track which spells are being cast by whom in a location.

The trace also wasn't actually removed from us, we just don't automatically get expelled. For now. Sometime in the next 7 years, our exemption could get revoked. Or if we're visiting a muggle/muggleborn friend, using magic is a huge hassle and could get either us, them, or both in trouble. Harry getting in trouble from dobby's magic as proof.

Even if the twins were over 17 at the time of the second book, it's still possible they might have to use muggle means to avoid getting Harry in trouble... Though that doesn't explain the order showing up in book 5... Though they might have had somebody at the ministry at the time to take care of it... Hmm...

Anyways trace is bad, annoying, and though we have an exemption, having to show up at somebody else's trial to explain that it was actually us abusing their trust would be a hassle. So yes, let's learn non-magical skills, just in case.
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Actually, I'm fairly certain that we do not have the Trace applied to us. According to the HP wiki, the Trace is a Charm put on underage witches and wizards. As such, I think that the Trace could be considered a status effect inflicted by the Charm. We do not have the Trace noted in our character sheet, either as a character trait or an active status effect. If it is indeed a status effect as I suspect, then it would have gone away the first time we rested in a bed due to Gamers Body.

Also, it was never mentioned as having been cast on Harry, though I don't know canonically when that was. Halpo133 may have simply neglected to mention it, if it was supposed to happen already.
 
Enjou said:
Actually, I'm fairly certain that we do not have the Trace applied to us. According to the HP wiki, the Trace is a Charm put on underage witches and wizards. As such, I think that the Trace could be considered a status effect inflicted by the Charm. We do not have the Trace noted in our character sheet, either as a character trait or an active status effect. If it is indeed a status effect as I suspect, then it would have gone away the first time we rested in a bed due to Gamers Body.

Also, it was never mentioned as having been cast on Harry, though I don't know canonically when that was. Halpo133 may have simply neglected to mention it, if it was supposed to happen already.
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Its mentioned in the books that the trace can't tell who's casting the spell. Which is why, as I mentioned before, in wizarding families it's up to the parents to keep their kids from casting.

That implies that the trace also picks up on adult spells in the area, which means either the 'trace' picks up on all magic being cast within an area around anybody underaged, or, as I expect, it picks up on all magic being cast, period.

The trace is not strong enough to figure out who the castor of a spell is, but I imagine that spells cast within a certain area around any underaged wizards (or witches) gets marked somehow. more specifically, underaged muggleborn wizards since tracking the magic of a wizarding family without knowing who casts what would be a waste of time.

With thousands of spells being cast regularly, they probably have some sort of ability to mark out specific reports of magic being cast in muggle-centric areas...

Okay at this point I'm rambling, so I'll be more specific.

At no point in canon is the 'trace' ever seen to be cast on anyone, ever. Least of all Harry.

Yet he still gets in trouble in book two, when dobby levitates the cake. Proving the trace is active, can track the type of spell, and not the person casting it.

You with me so far?

Edit: I have more, I just don't want to keep going if you have an issue with an earlier point that destroys my whole argument. Building from the foundation upwards. So I'm waiting for feedback to keep going.

Alternatively, to avoid another multi-page argument, you wanna pm? We can post the finished argument back here as relevant without taking 3 pages of space
 
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Are you all really doing this again after a mod intervened for the third time and infracted a bunch of people?
 
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Brandark said:
Are you all really doing this again after a mod intervened for the third time and infracted a bunch of people?
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First, My 'let's pm' edit was there before your post. So nyahhh

second, I really don't get the problem people are having with discussing in-universe details so we can determine what is real and make our in-game decisions accordingly. 'The Gamer' is all about minmaxing our time and abilities, and that means accurate information.

But back to my first point, I already suggested we not clutter up the thread, so your complaint, while noted, is not necessary.
 
redzonejoe said:
At no point in canon is the 'trace' ever seen to be cast on anyone, ever. Least of all Harry.
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All I know is that the wiki indicates that it's a Charm that's put on underage wizards and witches, so I would presume that it isn't some universal magic that is automatically applied. I imagine J.K. Rowling just didn't write about it being cast upon Harry or anyone else because she didn't think to, or thought of the Trace well after she'd written the early portions of the book.

In the interest of not going off topic again, the easiest way is to just ask @Halpo133 how he's handling it in this verse and we can drop it until he gets back from whatever he's doing.
 
Enjou said:
All I know is that the wiki indicates that it's a Charm that's put on underage wizards and witches, so I would presume that it isn't some universal magic that is automatically applied. I imagine J.K. Rowling just didn't write about it being cast upon Harry or anyone else because she didn't think to, or thought of the Trace well after she'd written the early portions of the book.

In the interest of not going off topic again, the easiest way is to just ask @Halpo133 how he's handling it in this verse and we can drop it until he gets back from whatever he's doing.
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But what if he's wrooooong. On the internet, no less! But yeah, I guess our interpretations of canon are irrelevant compared to his in-quest realities.
 
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