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That seems like something someone else would have pointed out.
The Perfectly Normal High School: A Slice of Life Quest! (Defunct)
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Wiadi
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Explain? I don't follow the importance of those numbers.
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Ha. I wanted to joke that Silas was an 'Ah! My Goddess' character, and didn't figure out no one is supposed to have strange markings on forehead because everyone has anime hair hanging over their eyes.
But you may be on to something.
I don't think he has bright blue hair. For one, the new character sheet has a different, hand-drawn image for him. For two, if he did, he would not say 'bizarredly' about Riku's colors, who indeed has bright blue - or rather, teal - hair. But then he wouldn't pay it much mind if everyone around him had rainbow hair (so I have to assume hair styles follow RL logic instead of anime one), and I can't think of much else they'd be staring at, and the girl's sole descriptor (besider foreigner) was 'has her hair in a net', and (if we want to go meta) Big Sister Reina Cherney described one Sylvester Cherney as a 'short, young-looking boy with silver hair like hers', so... yeah. That might be it.
Wait, does that mean Big Sis Reina is our actual family?
A foreign girl, and a stalker? Silas spent several years in isolation, when would he get an admirer? And Big Sister (the AI one) would never have allowed a stalker.
Silas is a student in Class 4-1, together with Yumika, Shinohara and the rest.
Private!Silas is a soldier in Platoon 4-1, together with Mika and I am sure at least some of the rest are there.
He (probably) jumped realities, or something to that effect. But he still remembers glimpses of the old one, and it gnaws at him.
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Ah. Have you considered instead the possibility that as dreams draw from real life experiences, Silas's subconscious simply used his class number when looking to designate a group with which he was meant to be associated? I'll buy that Silas has some vague military-adjacent repressed memory stuff going on, but I think conclusions about the literal reality of the entire dream are premature.
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Maybe.
I mean, you absolutely can interpret it like this.
But at some point it becomes harder to justify the normality of the situation as the evidence of some kind of anomaly continues to mount.
We have several examples of reality rewrites thus far. I'd say that's enough foreshadowing for it to not constitute a major twist out of nowhere.
I mean, you absolutely can interpret it like this.
Write off the presence of the Council in the dream as a reference to the Student Council, and ignore the (prior) mention of the Flip that Silas doesn't know about anyway. Or discard the fact that this:
...has chronologically happened before this:
Maybe Silas has noticed it subconsciously, and the dream just gave him a hint.
But at some point it becomes harder to justify the normality of the situation as the evidence of some kind of anomaly continues to mount.
We have several examples of reality rewrites thus far. I'd say that's enough foreshadowing for it to not constitute a major twist out of nowhere.
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Any stalker would need to be a new development. Possibly this-week new, unintentionally taking advantage of Big Sister's reduced Silas not-stalking. If the latter is true...I wouldn't want to be Silas's stalker when Big Sister finishes her tasks.
Hmmm... The real important thing to take away from this update is that Yumika still paid 2,300, even though Hana told her how much the check split 3 ways was. There are fiscal shenanigans afoot.
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I think Yumika is just rich and/or wanted to pay for the meal to make up with her friends.
Or to try to cover up her shenanigans. Just because she was forced to tell doesn't mean she might not prefer we forget.
Or to try to cover up her shenanigans. Just because she was forced to tell doesn't mean she might not prefer we forget.
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Okay, I'm on board with some of the rest of the post (bacon onigiri thing does imply weirdness afoot, for instance) but I think reading mention of a "reorganization" as specifically being about the Flip is a stretch.
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That's not what I am saying, though it was poor phrasing on my part. I was referencing the mention made way back then in a private conversation between Ichiro and one of his men. I do not think the Flip can be directly observed without special equipment, and thus unlikely to be referenced in a casual conversation by someone who is not a member of the Foundation.
There is a Council in a dream (a ruling body that the platoon leader presumably answers to), and a Student Council in Silas-verse. I am not even sure they are the same, but if they are... The latter complain about being forcefully transposed to this reality and put in the shoes of schoolchildren. What is their 'reality of origin', then?
And wouldn't it make sense for others to be transposed together with them?
Edit: those are questions that need to be answered regardless of whether you like my hypothesis or not.
Besides, even if that's what happened, it really only opens more questions. Why is Silas a lonely non-person in the new reality who needs his non-existing records to be edited in by Big Sister? Is the personality change observed in the SC connected to Silas' sudden decision to go to school despite 4 years of being a shut-in? Why were some personalities altered, while others remained intact enough to notice the changes? How does Nanami fit into the picture?
There is a Council in a dream (a ruling body that the platoon leader presumably answers to), and a Student Council in Silas-verse. I am not even sure they are the same, but if they are... The latter complain about being forcefully transposed to this reality and put in the shoes of schoolchildren. What is their 'reality of origin', then?
And wouldn't it make sense for others to be transposed together with them?
Edit: those are questions that need to be answered regardless of whether you like my hypothesis or not.
Besides, even if that's what happened, it really only opens more questions. Why is Silas a lonely non-person in the new reality who needs his non-existing records to be edited in by Big Sister? Is the personality change observed in the SC connected to Silas' sudden decision to go to school despite 4 years of being a shut-in? Why were some personalities altered, while others remained intact enough to notice the changes? How does Nanami fit into the picture?
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Thats a very... interesting observation to make, Silas.
I like that this is being addressed. Eating Silas' insecurity seems like an obvious way to use Hana's power in a positive manner, but it's actually a bit more complicated. The opposite extreme of insecurity is overconfidence, and without fear to inhibit it, that can be very dangerous. This happened right by a train station, as the train was coming in. If Silas' boost of bravado had caused him to act like a daredevil, things could have gotten very ugly.
So this is interesting, we have a couple of people who seem to be focused on the space above Silas' forehead. That would probably be either his hat or his hair. Since Hana is talking about how she would have noticed him earlier, and this is the first time we've worn the hat, I think it's safe to assume she's referring to his silver hair, which implies that this is a very uncommon hair color in Mihoku.
Then we have Ami, who also seems to be interested in Silas' hair, and is giving him special treatment because of it. I can think of a few reasons for this:
a) Silver hair is exotic, and therefore hot.
b) Silver hair may be a trait unique to Ozzetch, and as a foreigner, Ami may be aware of this. Why being from Ozzetch is worth special treatment is another matter.
c) Ami knows someone who knows Silas, and recognizes him from his description (his hair being is most distinctive feature).
d) Ami is someone from Silas' distant and heavily repressed past (again, recognizing him by his distinctive hair).
Given their respective personalities, it's not much of a surprise that Hana and Dorima don't get along. What is interesting is that Hana seems particularly bothered by how close Dorima is to Allen. Come to think of it, Hana seems to know a lot about Allen, and Allen didn't approve of Dorima bad mouthing Hana, but when Silas asked Hana if she was friends with Allen, she denied it. I wonder if they used to be friends, but then drifted apart, perhaps because Hana is too much of a wallflower to be a good debate partner.
This actually surprised me a little. It was obvious from the last update that Hana found crowds uncomfortable because of her powers, but I didn't expect her to get physically sick.
Again, mildly surprised. For some reason, I kind of figured that Yumika would be more comfortable with this kind of thing.
Useful to know. We already suspected that the Foundation members had been quantum leaped or something to that effect, but good to have more confirmation. More notably, they only started acting like this within the last year. That also explains why they're so suspicious and disorganized; they haven't actually been here that long, and they're still sorting things out.
I have a feeling something Mysterious is going on here. One possibility involves the hints we've been seeing that Yumika may actually be hiding a very nasty temper, and we might be seeing it brought to the surface here. Another possibility (which isn't mutually exclusive with the first) is that Hana has been unconsciously affecting Yumika's emotions in the heat of the moment, and is only just now realizing it.
I'm inclined to agree with Big Sis on this point. So far, Silas doesn't seem to be have much experience with managing his spending money. I'm not sure I trust him with a credit account.
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To be honest, I interpreted it as Hana having a bit of a crush on Allen.
Which sucks for my ship, but is a believable wrinkle in our (my) plans to get Silas Bakemono Kissu's... And kind of makes sense if Hana values courage highly. Although the rest of the chapter had some faint ship teasing as well, like Hana's little blushes or calling our play idea cute, so I wasn't too bothered.
That's very good for the SELF if true. If we can get organized before the Foundation does, we'll have a much stronger platform to argue from when it comes to getting them to both not contain Shinohara and also to not shoot at us. I still maintain that it might be possible to find a non-violent solution to the problem, if we can bring enough strength to bear and show reasonableness in our requests (I wouldn't be adverse to research being done on Hana, as long as she consented and the testing was ethical. In fact I'd love [LOVE] to have an opportunity to do some testing of our own some point in the future, or just interview Hana on what it's like).
Speaking of, if I can keep getting my maths homework done at the rate I'm moving at, I might have some time for another omake from the Helicopter Parenting universe. On the other hand, I also might want to save it for when I want to prod LuciD but can't do a full update for Ikusaba Quest (which is very intensive).
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I assume it's a reference to some kind of detective pulp thing? I know gumboots are a thing there, and concealed weapons seems like something that would come up often in that sort of story.
Especially not when he doesn't have a metaphorical angel on his shoulder, ready to metaphorically slap his wallet out of his hand when he's about to do something stupid.
I hate to encourage your type, but it could just be that Hana likes Allen in a non-romantic way. There's nothing weird or wrong about being in the friendzone...which, I'd like to emphasize, applies to Silas, too.
Nothing to do with his spending habits.
Credit cards are tracked far more closely than Debit cards, and suspicious changes in balance are investigated more closely because the bank's money(rather than the individual's as in a Debit card) is at risk if fraud occurs.
Which means Big Sister's usual manipulations will be more visible.
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What, Romantics?
All joking aside though, yeah, it could be that, but something about it is still pinging my jealousy sensors. In particular, the hunched shoulders would be something I would use to indicate a character felt threatened, in this case by the subject of the conversation, Dorima. It doesn't necessarily mean romance, but I definitely think Dorima is, in some way, shoving Hana aside to get to something she wants, and Hana feels upset about that.
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Is that what shippers call themselves these days?What, Romantics?
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'couldn't'
Also, where was his phone that he couldn't determine where the sound was coming from?
And while we are looking for typos, here's a couple more.
I am now curious under what circumstances Hana has revealed herself to Yumika. The two have a history together, that much is clear.
Also, how many people do know about it? If Hana only usually doesn't do something, that implies several exceptions.
Yumika hates cold. Yet she dresses lightly, with only a jacket and a skirt. Why? Does she have an image to maintain? Art demands sacrifices?
I don't think a more weather-appropriate uniform would make her any less cuter, though. So what is going on?
I'd love to see their records on us, and on Silas specifically. From what Yumika is saying, they only have suspicions about Hana.
Also, the buzz in the back of our skull... did out breath hitch, or does BS still hear everything we say even without us attracting her attention? Doesn't she have work to do?
Missed it. Apparently, Silas was entrusted with the leading role at some point? Can't really discern whether he talks about games or something else, but the italics are indicative of a memory, and Akataiyou doesn't sound like a Merikan location.
For what's it worth, I dig the 'subconsciousness filling the dream with the familiar' idea more than I do my own theory. There's too many holes in it, and it overcomplicates things.
But then, if he was a soldier before, wouldn't that make him child soldier? Like, how young would he be for it to be his actual memories?
I think he is enjoying it since it comes from you two. Maybe Kuroda is not the only masochist in Drama.
Shinohara enjoys excessive but genuine praise, while Yumika feels a little uncomfortable at all the fangirling. Maybe being able to taste it makes the experience different?
No, that actually makes a lot of sense. Even if she makes herself sound suspicious, she is perfectly safe, since she herself is clean of any anomalies.
Unless she isn't, then it's a horrible idea!
I think we should try to theorise more about it. The personalities of the Student Council members have been altered since the last year. That might have been the Flip. So, are they new people replacing old personalities in their bodies? But... Maeda and Nanami are still besties. How did that happen?
Or is it just the atmosphere of paranoia due to something that happened recently that is making everyone distant from each other?
Is Yumika perhaps misinterpreting Maeda's interest in the movie night? Could it have to do something with Nanami manifesting on that night instead? But then, why the test, and pointing out Hana as suspicious, and heckling to speed up the investigation?
But then, why was the test idea dropped? I am not sure I understand the logic guiding Maeda's actions here.
What can you guys make out of this exchange?
Zaelix suggested that it was Yumika who had suffered for it before, but I think that she inadvertantly hurt someone (or possibly herself) with her scheming, and Hana is mad because she is doing it yet again.
If she were the aggrieved party, she wouldn't suddenly be so timid.
This is an interesting observation, and not something I would have noticed. But I have to question whether it is true.
My own thought is that the 'fake person' was maintained in front of Shinohara instead, to delay the unpleasantries of our discussion. Yumika was perfectly serious with us when we were alone, and then when Hana came back...
And then in the restaurant she tried to avoid saying anything, 'cheerfully' interrupting Silas several times until Hana put a stop to it:
Now that it has been said, the reason for maintaining a, shall we say, lively personality is gone. I don't know Fake Yumika is there anymore, as her purpose has been served.
I think allowing Mikado to draw anything is a farce in itself. He'd be able to pull out whatever he wanted even if all but one themes were the same. Hell, he'd probably draw something else if all of them were the same, just to prove the point.
Then again, we are talking justice in a club where the Kaichou, the Vice-President, the Vice-President's closest friend and the newly inducted member all engage in corruption, collusion and bribery to some degree, leaving only Kuroda and Shinohara out of their machinations.
I hope that whatever we do here would not affect the next session, for which we have bought Yumika's vote with a favor already. It looks like Shinohara isn't fond of taking bribes.
[x] [Eye of Miyao] "Y-Yumika-san, uh i-if you wanted to go anyway, you could…"
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I'm guessing a pocket in roughly the same direction relative to his head as a nearby monitor. Either that, or he forgot which pocket his phone was in.
Yumika hates cold. Yet she dresses lightly, with only a jacket and a skirt. Why? Does she have an image to maintain? Art demands sacrifices?
I don't think a more weather-appropriate uniform would make her any less cuter, though. So what is going on?
Maybe, but Shinohara has aspects of her personality unrelated to her diet.Shinohara enjoys excessive but genuine praise, while Yumika feels a little uncomfortable at all the fangirling. Maybe being able to taste it makes the experience different?
I don't think the Council Foundation would be happy to let people off the hook for messing with their files...
I think we should gather more data first. Hypotheses developed before we have a sufficient body of evidence will undul influence our interpretation of said evidence.
As far as we know...
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Didn't Yumika also complain about the cold, prior to showing up in light gear? That only makes it more suspicious.
I'm still more concerned with getting both best girls back to normal in their relationship, but I really want to push Silas to be more curious about this sort of thing, because I'm *convinced* Yumika has a Mystery, but I don't know what it could possibly be.
I thought it might relate to her acting ability, but now it could be a Yuki-Onna sort of situation? Maybe?
I'm still more concerned with getting both best girls back to normal in their relationship, but I really want to push Silas to be more curious about this sort of thing, because I'm *convinced* Yumika has a Mystery, but I don't know what it could possibly be.
I thought it might relate to her acting ability, but now it could be a Yuki-Onna sort of situation? Maybe?
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The impression I've been getting is that the "new personalities" are the minds/memories of the Councils future selves, or perhaps of older versions of themselves from another reality.
I'm pretty sure the reason that Maeda dropped the test is because Hana ate her paranoia a few days ago (and the reason she was so fixated on it in the first place was the result of Hana amplifying her paranoia during movie night).
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I'm a bit surprised someone who works routinely with memetics didn't notice the odd happenings in that room. You'd think Maeda would have noticed that her emotions flew off the handle and did weird 180's during that scene, and possibly have begun to suspect something even without the aggravated paranoiac response.
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It's easier to explain certain other phenomena with an alternate-world-selves model than a future-selves model.
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Isn't it the point of mystery, to let your imagination run wild and form hypotheses (discarding them as new facts become available) in order to predict the conclusion before it is spelled out for you?
We are readers, after all, not jury presiding over someone's case.
Clearly she is an infiltrator-class android. Hence the ease of switching emotional states on-demand.
Perhaps this line of thought was dropped once she remembered Nanami and concentrated her efforts there instead?
I mean, Shinohara is unrelated to Maeda's goal of helping her friend, no?
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I'm all for trying to figure out mysteries...once we have the data to do so. I enjoy speculation, but to me, speculation without data is like sportsball without a ball: A pointless endeavor where success or failure are arbitrary, and which lacks a component critical to deriving enjoyment from the process.