Cteatus
A Guy Who Fell Down a Hole
I've known Ves for a really long time. Trust me its not a possibility at all.
The Path Unending (A Cultivation Quest)
- Thread starter Vesvius
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I've known Ves for a really long time. Trust me its not a possibility at all.
Chronobreak
Chara Appreciator
- Location
- Chicago
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- He/Him
I am.
That's super mercenary. That's Kong Zhi's shtick, not Mei Daiyu's.
Impression's harden fast. If we want any chance of, not repairing, that's asking to much, but stabilizing our relationship with Mo, we have to talk to her now.
Here is my plan for that.
Apologizing outright is absolutely out of the question. Kong Zhi chose, of his own free will, to do what he did. Apologizing is trying to take away his accountability. He absolutely deserves all the scorn Mei Daiyu is going to give him, and an important part of salvaging this bond is recognizing that.
Kong Zhi chose to do what he did, and gave his all in doing it. He did not hold back, he did not let regrets muddy his performance, he went in hard. Why? Right now, he's not certain of it himself, and a person confused by their own actions can't justify them to others.
So I think the best Kong Zhi can do right now is take a chance, and let go. Allow me to explain.
A core of Mei Daiyu's character so far has been her pride. Under no circumstance should we attempt to batter that pride anymore than it already. We need to appeal to her pride and worth while at the same time downplaying Kong Zhi's. To do that, I think he needs to talk to Mei, and recognize one, unambiguous truth.
He needs to thank her for all she has done for him.
He needs to thank her for teaching him the Hummingbird Style. He needs to thank her for seeing worth and talent in him that no one else ever did. He has to thank her for pushing him further along the path of martial arts, for turning his weakness to strength, for giving him so many more options, so many more ways to fulfill his obligations, to further his future.
He needs to thank her, and he needs to let go. He needs to let her know that he doesn't blame her for hating him, and he that he accepts that, and that he deserves, validating her feelings. Once he does this, even if forgiveness is never in the cards, an understanding can be formed, and forgiveness cannot be gained without understanding first.
In this case, going in hard is not the answer. Power needs to be ceased, and given freely away.
As long as we remember this moment, as long as we never imply that Mei Daiyu is in the wrong, I believe that eventually, everyone can move past this, perhaps not as the best of friends, but stronger from it.
But. Uh. Yeah. Private is better than public.
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Vesvius
The Wicked God
He's right. It's not. I can definitely say that no, there will be no suicide here.
Metrux
Gentle Demon Lord
- Location
- Brasil
First, proud people don't kill themselves. She's more proud than anything else, all the time people have been saying about her honor, it's her pride. Then comes the fact that this is a freaking apology. She won't have to back down on her decision, she won't pay anything, she won't admit he was right, neither that she is weak. She will admit that she was rude, when she shouldn't. No matter in which way you see it, killing yourself over something like that is not something anyone who has gonne through any hardship would do. And she has, they all have, it's a much harder world than ours.
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Team Doggo by Expecting Me
- Location
- California
To celebrate our victory (that obviously is without any downsides), have a pic of the best team...
I like that, could you do a Mei write in based off this? Its really thoughtful.
I am getting a completely different read of the situation then many others...
BUT FIRST I WANT TO CLEAR SOMETHING UP.
THE REASON FOR THE FIGHT WAS NOT BECAUSE SHE REFUSED TO BE HIS CONCUBINE!
IT WAS BECAUSE HOW SHE DID IT AND PRESUMABLY WHAT OTHER THINGS SHE SAID ABOUT HIM.
Imagine how you feel if someone at work or in one of your classes just said a whole lot of nasty and rude things about your family. Would you be angry and want to defend against or would you just then say that? THIS IS THE SITUATION it not about the refusal. GET IT?!
The apology will not be that I was wrong to turn his proposal down it will be I am wrong to have said what I said about him.
But maybe I am wrong and I will eat crow.
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Going on... this was even more then what I was hoping for. The gain was:
- a perfect start to a friendship with Mo
- a good showing here could change everything, perhaps even putting you beyond your rival's reach.
- A hungers to truly challenge yourself in a setting much like this.
- the combat disciples weighing and judging you with their eyes, scanning over your every detail as they search you for secrets. They did not find you wanting
- Jai Fa seems almost impressed.
- Huo Shi looks relieved, meaning we just made another positive impression double so b/c we won.
- Nokai seems downright delighted and her grin has only gotten larger.
- The item
The SWING
- Xu Yun: the reasoning I have is because could swing either way depending on a whole lot of factors. He revealed to us his motivations we agreed with them...but then we did this. Then we actually beat him. That will either motivate him or make him resentful.
The loss
And Mei Daiyu huge betrayal because she (a probable noble) will now have to give face
Next personal ... I agree the twist of the knife was painful and if this wasnt a quest I wouldnt have done it. But this was a branch in the path that I saw that would open up more oportunities for us and I took it. Just before the update I asked what we we wanted Kong to become. I agree with what
Knight-Radiant said I want us to be "The legendary crafter, who can be found punching out dragons on a mountain top so he can make jewelry out of their teeth in his spare time " I saw this as the first step to gain motivation to be more.
This is my thoughts but I love to see what everyone else thinks!
BUT FIRST I WANT TO CLEAR SOMETHING UP.
THE REASON FOR THE FIGHT WAS NOT BECAUSE SHE REFUSED TO BE HIS CONCUBINE!
IT WAS BECAUSE HOW SHE DID IT AND PRESUMABLY WHAT OTHER THINGS SHE SAID ABOUT HIM.
Imagine how you feel if someone at work or in one of your classes just said a whole lot of nasty and rude things about your family. Would you be angry and want to defend against or would you just then say that? THIS IS THE SITUATION it not about the refusal. GET IT?!
The apology will not be that I was wrong to turn his proposal down it will be I am wrong to have said what I said about him.
But maybe I am wrong and I will eat crow.
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Going on... this was even more then what I was hoping for. The gain was:
- a perfect start to a friendship with Mo
- a good showing here could change everything, perhaps even putting you beyond your rival's reach.
- A hungers to truly challenge yourself in a setting much like this.
- the combat disciples weighing and judging you with their eyes, scanning over your every detail as they search you for secrets. They did not find you wanting
- Jai Fa seems almost impressed.
- Huo Shi looks relieved, meaning we just made another positive impression double so b/c we won.
- Nokai seems downright delighted and her grin has only gotten larger.
- The item
The SWING
- Xu Yun: the reasoning I have is because could swing either way depending on a whole lot of factors. He revealed to us his motivations we agreed with them...but then we did this. Then we actually beat him. That will either motivate him or make him resentful.
The loss
And Mei Daiyu huge betrayal because she (a probable noble) will now have to give face
Next personal ... I agree the twist of the knife was painful and if this wasnt a quest I wouldnt have done it. But this was a branch in the path that I saw that would open up more oportunities for us and I took it. Just before the update I asked what we we wanted Kong to become. I agree with what
Knight-Radiant said I want us to be "The legendary crafter, who can be found punching out dragons on a mountain top so he can make jewelry out of their teeth in his spare time " I saw this as the first step to gain motivation to be more.
This is my thoughts but I love to see what everyone else thinks!
Lets see of the choices:
-Mo Hanying - Definitely. Thats the point of the whole endeavor. I dare say we got something to write to the family about after this.
-Xu Yun - Basic rule of courtesy in a public challenge between friends. Go to them and give them the "good fight, that was close" talk. This gives them some face back in the exchange, rather than looking like "oh you're beneath me now".
-Mei Daiyu - Obviously tempers are high, she's NOT going to be inclined to be nice, but without at least trying to explain our stance it'd be up to her to imagine the worst possible motivations. Now, feeling like we owe Mo Hanying and Nokai a debt for helping to shelter us previously might not satisfy her, but its a lot better than her coming to the conclusion that this was a complex backstab scheme.
So tentatively something like:
-[] You will speak with Mo Hanying
--[] Ask about the cause of her ill-timed injury and thank her for past help.
-[] You will speak with Xu Yun
--[] Offer your respect for a tough fight and praise his technique.
-[] You will speak with Mei Daiyu
--[] Try to explain why you took up the duel. Nokai and Mo Hanying sheltered you from Jin Yazhu's thugs previously, and you felt like you had to repay their aid. Ask how you might make amends for this, for you owe her in turn after this.
-Mo Hanying - Definitely. Thats the point of the whole endeavor. I dare say we got something to write to the family about after this.
-Xu Yun - Basic rule of courtesy in a public challenge between friends. Go to them and give them the "good fight, that was close" talk. This gives them some face back in the exchange, rather than looking like "oh you're beneath me now".
-Mei Daiyu - Obviously tempers are high, she's NOT going to be inclined to be nice, but without at least trying to explain our stance it'd be up to her to imagine the worst possible motivations. Now, feeling like we owe Mo Hanying and Nokai a debt for helping to shelter us previously might not satisfy her, but its a lot better than her coming to the conclusion that this was a complex backstab scheme.
So tentatively something like:
-[] You will speak with Mo Hanying
--[] Ask about the cause of her ill-timed injury and thank her for past help.
-[] You will speak with Xu Yun
--[] Offer your respect for a tough fight and praise his technique.
-[] You will speak with Mei Daiyu
--[] Try to explain why you took up the duel. Nokai and Mo Hanying sheltered you from Jin Yazhu's thugs previously, and you felt like you had to repay their aid. Ask how you might make amends for this, for you owe her in turn after this.
Mass production trick probably has some risks inherent to it huh? It sounds like he's doing something like 3 charms at once with one formation like Jai Shouxi was doing, which is efficient if everything goes perfectly, but with so many more factors, mistakes are amplified with successes.
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I lot of people have been saying that in this culture what Huo did was okay, but it wasn't. Both people we have spoken to were neutral with a little hint of dislike for his actions. Remember Xun Yu joined Mei's side because he felt so strongly about what Huo did. Huo is clearly in the wrong, and Mei knew who Huo was and still said her ride words, so she must have been offended by the offer. The only reason this is even happening is that Mo got "offended" for how rude Mei responded and then words was shared. Could it be possible that Mo only did that because she would lose face if her yet to be husband is asking random strangers to be his concubine before they were even married?
We need to talk to Mei avoiding her to cool down is a terrible idea. The best way is to apologize while she's still hot and then always take social actions for her. She knows our secret. While everyone accepts sabotage, I bet Mo wouldn't be so happy when she found out her new friend is the reason why she injured her arm. Everyone loves sabotage until they were the one injured because of two teens who never met decided that they hated each other.
A lot of people are saying that this apology isn't about Mei saying she's sorry about not being Huo's concubine. But to Mei it is. She knew how rude her words are when she said them. She believed that her response was justified. She will probably consider apologizing as saying that she should have said yes. It doesn't matter what actually happened or what the culture of the world is, what matters is how Mei perceives what the duel is for and I'm pretty sure it isn't about being rude.
We need to talk to Mei avoiding her to cool down is a terrible idea. The best way is to apologize while she's still hot and then always take social actions for her. She knows our secret. While everyone accepts sabotage, I bet Mo wouldn't be so happy when she found out her new friend is the reason why she injured her arm. Everyone loves sabotage until they were the one injured because of two teens who never met decided that they hated each other.
A lot of people are saying that this apology isn't about Mei saying she's sorry about not being Huo's concubine. But to Mei it is. She knew how rude her words are when she said them. She believed that her response was justified. She will probably consider apologizing as saying that she should have said yes. It doesn't matter what actually happened or what the culture of the world is, what matters is how Mei perceives what the duel is for and I'm pretty sure it isn't about being rude.
Metrux
Gentle Demon Lord
- Location
- Brasil
I don't know about punching dragons, but that's my wanting aswell. When people think of crafting, they'll think of us. I want us to be so much higher that people will fight over our scraps, that kings will come humble before us, and that when we're gone, everyone will remember the legend of the best crafter.
No, Mo went to speak with Mei, and Mei then offended her. That's how it came to be.
Because she's petty, and prideful. I honestly don't see how you guys don't understand that she isn't completely in the right. I've told this anecdote before, but maybe I need to remind: this is very much alike you having the green light to go cross the street, and a car is coming, passing his own red light. If you do walk on the road, you're on the right, but you're still the one getting run over by a car. She CHOSE to be run over by a car, and got an honor duel instead of a trashing or assassination, that is pretty much norm in this setting.
It doesn't matter if the idea behind is right, or if she likes it, she chose to be run over.
Chronobreak
Chara Appreciator
- Location
- Chicago
- Pronouns
- He/Him
To celebrate our victory (that obviously is without any downsides), have a pic of the best team...
DOG (and DOG GIRL)
Hi Xue!
Apologizing and appealing to NPC's is a task that I am very good at (unless my reads are wrong
). Comes with territory of always being the party face, even if social is my characters dump stat (why hello there Kong Zhi!).Feel free to do tell me what I can do better though. I have a flair for the dramatic, so more subdued actions fly past my head.
When the moratorium ends, I'll clean up my thought process and put it in a vote. I still haven given the rest of the options a proper evaluation, but I at least know that Mei Daiyu is a shoe-in choice.
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Sorry about the double post
You mean Jin Yazhu?
Could someone send me the link to the discord.
I think telling her it's okay. We accept that she hates us is a terrible idea. You never tell someone who's mad, it's okay I accept that you mad at me. That will just set them off. We are better off just explaining to her that we owed Mo a favor.
You mean Jin Yazhu?
Could someone send me the link to the discord.
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- US
Sure, give me a moment and I will.
Yes, brain wasn't fully hooked up. Just woke up
[] Plan Bridges
-[] You will speak with Nokai
--[] Congratulate her on her victory, and point out slyly how you are more than a merchant by referring to your Charm as well as your fighting skills. Ask if she has any hints about the later phases of the Soldier's Step.
-[] You will speak to Mei Daiyu
--[] Lay your cards on the table. Explain you had a debt to Mo Hanying, but you had other reasons, including the desire to prove your skills and yes, the reward on offer. It was a madman's choice, made in the moment.b You knew it would hurt her, so you cannot ask forgiveness. Nonetheless, you wish to know where you stand with her. If nothing else, you offer sincere thanks for her training.
-[] You will speak to Jai Fa
--[] You saw her regard you when you made your choice. What did she think when you made it? Was it worth the cost? Does she have any thoughts about what happens when the two weeks are up? Does she know what exactly about Nokai is so disturbing to everyone?
-[] You will speak to Xu Yun
--[] You will congratulate him on the fight and express your own surprise you won. Inquire as to the origin of his Archer Technique. Ask if he has any thoughts as to what happens when the two weeks are up. Ask if he plans to be a martial disciple, or has other plans.
-[] You will speak to Mo Hanying
--[] Inquire discreetly as to her health, and the Charm that caused her injury. Make noises but no promises about repairing the damage. Ask about her relationship to Nokai and engagement to Huo.
-[] You will speak with Nokai
--[] Congratulate her on her victory, and point out slyly how you are more than a merchant by referring to your Charm as well as your fighting skills. Ask if she has any hints about the later phases of the Soldier's Step.
-[] You will speak to Mei Daiyu
--[] Lay your cards on the table. Explain you had a debt to Mo Hanying, but you had other reasons, including the desire to prove your skills and yes, the reward on offer. It was a madman's choice, made in the moment.b You knew it would hurt her, so you cannot ask forgiveness. Nonetheless, you wish to know where you stand with her. If nothing else, you offer sincere thanks for her training.
-[] You will speak to Jai Fa
--[] You saw her regard you when you made your choice. What did she think when you made it? Was it worth the cost? Does she have any thoughts about what happens when the two weeks are up? Does she know what exactly about Nokai is so disturbing to everyone?
-[] You will speak to Xu Yun
--[] You will congratulate him on the fight and express your own surprise you won. Inquire as to the origin of his Archer Technique. Ask if he has any thoughts as to what happens when the two weeks are up. Ask if he plans to be a martial disciple, or has other plans.
-[] You will speak to Mo Hanying
--[] Inquire discreetly as to her health, and the Charm that caused her injury. Make noises but no promises about repairing the damage. Ask about her relationship to Nokai and engagement to Huo.
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Mo spoke to her because she rudely denied her fiance, and when Mo demanded an apology and Mei got upset. This boils down to Mei reacting badly to being asked to be a concubine. No one in this setting not even Mo has said that concubines are a good thing. We just got two neutral response that were tinged with dislike of that course of action.
We should make no demands about what we want to know from Mei. The only thing we should do is explain that we owed a favor to Mo. When Jin's guns threatened us with violence and could have led to days in bed. She help protected us. And now she was injured, so we decided to help her. We make a very small apology and then say nothing more. Just stay silent until she says something. We betrayed her so after saying our piece, we should let her guide the conversation. And if she's wants nothing to do with us. We get up and say nothing more.
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To be fair, we don't know that. She could have reacted exactly as one asked to be a concubine out of the blue could be expected to and in a socially acceptable way, but her refusal still counted as a slap in the face and a fight was drummed up on pretenses (because you presumably can't have an issue publicly with someone saying no).
Really we just don't have enough information there yet, just secondhand accounts from similarly unreliable narrators.
To elaborate a bit on the contexts:
-Asking Mei to be his concubine was uncouth, but its legit enough as such things go depending on his status.
-Mei rejecting him was in turn perfectly fine, if she had just rejected him. However, by escalating beyond the basic rejection, she opened up for a different consideration. If you think about it logically, Mo wouldn't back up her fiance if he went after a different girl and just got rejected, we weren't present, but presumably Mei said some regrettable words(which I'm pretty sure WE would have said if we were in her shoes) about him.
-Mo is now obligated to back up what I presume to be a familial alliance, even if asking Mei to be a concubine was itself mildly offensive to her personally. She challenges Mei to a duel.
TLDR version: Politics need to be played with cool heads, not hot blood. Hot blood started this, hot blood aggravated this.
Wiggin42
Wage Slave
Okay, I did not expect to pull a win there. Charms are clutch.
Alright, so we have five slots available and there were five others in the fight. Coincidence? Maybe, but I'd like to go over the fight with the other combatants because I feel that is the most obvious thing to be talking about right now. Maybe work in how we largely won thanks to this kick-ass charm we made that didn't dissolve our arm into acid.
Do not want to obviously exclude Mei Daiyu; we're probably never going to be besties, but there's no reason to deliberately freeze her out. If she gives us the cold shoulder, then fine. Maybe time will heal wounds, maybe she'll hate us forever.
Super want to grab Xu Yun and go over our fight. This was the first time we were going all out against one another. Definitely want to go over that with him, especially since he still seems to be the only one we can compare to according to those dice logs.
Huo Shi is a must. He's the money. If we want to start taking commissions then he's the guy to talk to.
Jai Fa is currently our best friends and seems better at social than us. Maybe she can help explain that what we just did wasn't personal. Even if she can't, we have to invite our best friend. And maybe ask what it's like turning into metal. Guess that's where all the steel anam was going.
I'm guessing we're not dropping the Nokai social link, even with the social stigma that seems to stick us with. Best way I see to alleviate that is to have her around in group settings, like this one. Plus if we can get her to enjoy Ming Hui's cooking we might be able to work some synergy there for future hunts.
Sucks for Jai Shouxi and Mo Hanying, but we live with one and we have at least one in with the other, maybe two if the Huo Shi talk goes well.
Alright, so we have five slots available and there were five others in the fight. Coincidence? Maybe, but I'd like to go over the fight with the other combatants because I feel that is the most obvious thing to be talking about right now. Maybe work in how we largely won thanks to this kick-ass charm we made that didn't dissolve our arm into acid.
Do not want to obviously exclude Mei Daiyu; we're probably never going to be besties, but there's no reason to deliberately freeze her out. If she gives us the cold shoulder, then fine. Maybe time will heal wounds, maybe she'll hate us forever.
Super want to grab Xu Yun and go over our fight. This was the first time we were going all out against one another. Definitely want to go over that with him, especially since he still seems to be the only one we can compare to according to those dice logs.
Huo Shi is a must. He's the money. If we want to start taking commissions then he's the guy to talk to.
Jai Fa is currently our best friends and seems better at social than us. Maybe she can help explain that what we just did wasn't personal. Even if she can't, we have to invite our best friend. And maybe ask what it's like turning into metal. Guess that's where all the steel anam was going.
I'm guessing we're not dropping the Nokai social link, even with the social stigma that seems to stick us with. Best way I see to alleviate that is to have her around in group settings, like this one. Plus if we can get her to enjoy Ming Hui's cooking we might be able to work some synergy there for future hunts.
Sucks for Jai Shouxi and Mo Hanying, but we live with one and we have at least one in with the other, maybe two if the Huo Shi talk goes well.
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Adding to this, based on what Nokai said, it was probably well past "fuck off, you disgusting asshole" and closer to "why do you need one, is your girlfriend as bad in bed as her mom". She didn't simply tell him to fuck off, she told him to fuck off in a way that dragged both Mo and her family into it.
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- Canada
Isn't Mo his fiancee? Mei probably insulted his personal traits in some way, or said something along the lines of a respectable woman being above having a relationship with him. As his fiancee, Mo would lose face and be very offended by that kind of insult, being an indirect target herself. Huo probably deserved it and wasn't the one to initiate the duel, but it seems Mo wasn't willing to tolerate getting her own honour dragged into the mess.
I don't think it was so much a familial alliance as it was her getting very offended by whatever Mei said.