Flagship Name

  • Spirit of Fire

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    Votes: 23 52.3%

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Yes.
That's why I'm hoping that khorne wins. Because then he makes the orc race pseudo demonic. And, we are actively the second best demon killer in the imperium, with a legion geared in mind for that purpose.

So, while the circumstances aren't ideal, it would at least make the best of a bad situation, rather then Gork and Mork winning. In that case, we're screwed no matter what we do.
 
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So how bad would it be if Khorne won and became a part of the Ork pantheon? Would we see stuff like Ork Daemon Princes and Ork Daemon worlds?
While Khorne has not 'won' yet, despite definitely being the happiest they've ever been since they existed, Khorne... is already a part of the Ork pantheon now. Not as a major figure, but he's part of it now.

Aside from the obvious problems we can all no doubt imagine, this along with the sheer carnage and energy behind this whole war, has caused significant... changes, for lack of a better word.

One such change happened when Khorne very nearly killed off Mork, who was only saved when Gork quickly battered the Blood God away before the finishing blow happened. This caused 'divine inspiration' to reach a load of Oddboys (Meks, Kommandos, Doks etc. etc.) and caused a shift from the Orks all rushing forward to the Warp and fighting anything in their way to rushing forward to the Warp and ignoring every possible fight.

(I think this also gave Khorne a new trait, which consolidated various traits into one that makes the Blood God outright immune to most forms of damage.)

That's already pretty big, all the Orks in the galaxy deciding to ignore every fight they could to all head to the Warp together, but then the Twin Orks did something that hasn't happened since the War in Heaven. They made Khorne bleed from a big injury. This made him so happy that he outright just started laughing, which was followed by Gork and Mork laughing too. Which grew and grew and grew.

This laughter rippled across the Warp and the floor for psyker stability across the galaxy has noticeably, albeit very minorly, risen. Every psyker that was borderline safe has either gone mad or exploded. Every single one of them, such as three of the five 'stable' Alpha psykers the Imperium possessed at the time (outside of Astartes) which now only two remain (aside from the Emperor of Mankind and Malcador).

The above ironically will lead to more stable psykers over all, as despite quite a few worlds being lost to the Warp or otherwise had a bad fucking time, there is pretty much no such thing as 'borderline stable'. You're either a stable psyker or you're dead or corrupted, the gap between them is too large now.

This, uh, also had a side effect of nearly completely destroying Commorragh due to the civil wars shifting towards using psychic slaves and warriors, due several groups using them to horrifically deadly effect. Psykers that also were twisted and tortured and otherwise 'Dark Eldar'd' enough that pretty much every one of them blew up or got corrupted. It was so bad that Khaine's Gate was nearly at risk, i.e. the city's continued existence, but Cegorach saved what is now the 'Ashen City of Commorragh' and rules over it with Vect as the puppet king.

Aside from that, something else major happened. Partly due to them all being in the Warp, partly due to Khorne and his armies of daemons' presence, and I think partly due to Khorne being a member of the pantheon now, Ork corruption exists. Currently, this only comes into action when someone is near a bunch of Orks and doesn't fight them for whatever reason. It'll turn them more aggressive, more weapon obsessed, and generally just make them more Ork-y and more likely to fight the Orks.

Later, it will become much worse. Such as causing Orks and Ork spores to just appear when you think and know about Orks too much. Or turn you into an actual Ork. Both of which will significantly effect the Eldar, due to how much they really know about them.

The blood of Khorne, Gork and Mork is also gonna cause entirely new, stronger types of Orks to be created out of them. Such as the Black Orcs and Night Goblins in Warhammer Fantasy.

Finally, and I know I'm probably missing a bunch of stuff but this is all I can remember off the top of my head, this Blood and Thunder War has created a whole new type of daemon. An elephantine one, called the Mastodon, that can be either Khornate or Orkoid and, well, it's not too special, just a new type of beast, but... yeah.
Just had an idea that is both awesome and terrifying in regards to one of the potential outcomes from the BTW. Daemon Warmoons, as in the daemon equivelant of Ork Warmoons. Except in their case they can move around in the materium realm like a normal Warmoon except also having all the qualities/capabilities of a Daemonworld and Warmoon.
Sidenote, this has also already happened. While not (yet) made by their own hands, the Khornates have... I believe it was at least eight corrupted Attack Moons, along with an Attack Planet in their possession.

We actually saw Horus briefly encounter an Ork Attack Moon fighting a Khornate Attack Moon. To clarify, that was not just a vision, that was real and actually happened.

It's, uh, also possible for those Khornate Attack Moons to just... appear anywhere they want to. While this is almost fully focused on the Blood and Thunder War, Daemon Hunter did note that if they wanted to they could pop up next to, say, Primarch Homeworlds. Able to project the voice of Khorne itself directly to people.
 
Oh, it should also be noted that Orks have started hiring humans to run factories and assembly lines. Not work in them, the Grots and Gretchin are still doing that, but the Orks need managers and coordinators to help increase efficiency. The logic is simple: Orks don't want to be dealing with that shit when there is one of the greatest fights in the galaxy taking place, and humans have proven to be more useful than just slaves, so just hire the biggest asshole line managers and let them run things for a bit

TLP is so hilariously "Humanity, Fuck Yeah" and "Humanity, Fuck No" all at once, and it's great.
 
Not sure if this has been brought up before but can we make a rune based on the concept of runes themselves?

Was just thinking of something that may be able to boost rune production and that's what popped up.
 
Not sure if this has been brought up before but can we make a rune based on the concept of runes themselves?

Was just thinking of something that may be able to boost rune production and that's what popped up.
Rune of Rune? I think that exists but it's Primal iirc, which means barring a lot of shenanigans it is unobtainable in the span of this quest
 
Ok...

As I understand it...

The chaos gods are basically natural emotions and desires pushed to its furthest most radical unhealthy extreme and then personified through warp nonsense.

I might be completely wrong, but it sounds like khorn and his faction are... mellowing out? Slowly changing from just insane berserkers into more tactical and organized warfare stuff?

Is that good? A chaos God of warfare vs one of bloodlust and violence. Is the faction coming into balance somehow?

Or are chaos gods just pure non negotiable evil no matter what?

I'm assuming yes, pure evil. I just can't recall hearing about a chaos faction actually... changing. Not sure what to make of it.

To an extent, that is what is occurring, Khorne is delving more into some of his domains than before, as well as looking at them from a saner perspective. And I would say that the Chaos Gods are essentially evil regardless of what can be done mainly due to the War in Heaven being so above you in scale that the Imperium can't act to rehabilitate Khorne with worship.

In that case how would the Imperium react to having a clear picture to what's going on in the BTW?

Panic and rebellion.

So how bad would it be if Khorne won and became a part of the Ork pantheon? Would we see stuff like Ork Daemon Princes and Ork Daemon worlds?

It'd be extremely bad, for one it'd basically put the entirety of the Orks under Khorne, along with making Khorne the God of Brutality, Cunning, and Orks. You'd see stuff like Khornates with the Waagh field, Ork Daemon Princes, and Ork daemonworlds.

Just had an idea that is both awesome and terrifying in regards to one of the potential outcomes from the BTW. Daemon Warmoons, as in the daemon equivelant of Ork Warmoons. Except in their case they can move around in the materium realm like a normal Warmoon except also having all the qualities/capabilities of a Daemonworld and Warmoon.

That is actually something that Khornates have done. They've taken 8 War Moons and turned them into Daemonmoons which are basically daemonworlds of attack moons.

While Khorne has not 'won' yet, despite definitely being the happiest they've ever been since they existed, Khorne... is already a part of the Ork pantheon now. Not as a major figure, but he's part of it now.

I can pretty much confirm all of this.

Not sure if this has been brought up before but can we make a rune based on the concept of runes themselves?

Was just thinking of something that may be able to boost rune production and that's what popped up.

You can yes, it's just an extremely difficult project, taht would take a long time to figure out how to start.
 
Panic and rebellion.
It'd be extremely bad, for one it'd basically put the entirety of the Orks under Khorne, along with making Khorne the God of Brutality, Cunning, and Orks. You'd see stuff like Khornates with the Waagh field, Ork Daemon Princes, and Ork daemonworlds.
First off seems like we should make it a point to reveal what Horus has seen in regards to the BTW since he seems to have a better idea than most of what's going on. Should also probably see if we can talk the twins into investigating the BTW for at least a small while so that the Imperium would have a much better idea of what's going on and so to prepare for what may come.

Second wonder if Emps would be far more willing to say awaken Kaser's psyker powers or try to get daemonsbane tier upgraded, since imagine that they may have a good idea about that. Since even if they aren't happy with him at the moment from what we have seen Kaser is going to be really important due to playing a major role in the coming aftermath thanks to his abilities as the second Anethema. The psychic boost is especially useful since it would also boost the Warden's whose specialty is being anti-daemon forces. And from a pragmatic standpoint having a second and stronger Anethema means that Emps is freed up from needing to deal with such things himself due to Kesar and the Wardens.
 
First off seems like we should make it a point to reveal what Horus has seen in regards to the BTW since he seems to have a better idea than most of what's going on. Should also probably see if we can talk the twins into investigating the BTW for at least a small while so that the Imperium would have a much better idea of what's going on and so to prepare for what may come.

I pretty much assumed Horus would have sent a letter to Emps about it, mainly as it seems like it'd be a logical move.

Second wonder if Emps and Mal would be far more willing to say awaken Kaser's psyker powers or try to get daemonsbane tier upgraded, since imagine that they may have a good idea about that. Since even if they aren't happy with him at the moment from what we have seen Kaser is going to be really important due to playing a major role in the coming aftermath thanks to his abilities as the second Anethema. The psychic boost is especially useful since it would also boost the Warden's whose specialty is being anti-daemon forces. And from a pragmatic standpoint having a second and stronger Anethema means that Emps is freed up from needing to deal with such things himself due to Kesar and the Wardens.

I will say that a part of what Kesar asked for from the Maelstrom war was his psychic powers to be unlocked. That being said, you are going to have to actually meet up with him to do so at some point.
 
I pretty much assumed Horus would have sent a letter to Emps about it, mainly as it seems like it'd be a logical move.



I will say that a part of what Kesar asked for from the Maelstrom war was his psychic powers to be unlocked. That being said, you are going to have to actually meet up with him to do so at some point.
Was kind of worried that due to recent events that Emps may no longer be willing to do the awakening for Kesar. Hence why it seems that the new information in regards to the BTW would have Emps be far more willing to do so.

Also has Emps got the letter already? If so has he and Mal considered focusing more on info gathering in regards to that? Because just the fact that Orks and Khornate getting more organized alone is worrying. Never mind the goddamn daemon planet Warmoons that could show up anywhere in the Imperium.
 
Was kind of worried that due to recent events that Emps may no longer be willing to do the awakening for Kesar. Hence why it seems that the new information in regards to the BTW would have Emps be far more willing to do so.

Also has Emps got the letter already? If so has he and Mal considered focusing more on info gathering in regards to that? Because just the fact that Orks and Khornate getting more organized alone is worrying. Never mind the goddamn daemon planet Warmoons that could show up anywhere in the Imperium.

They have received the letter. At the moment they are exploring options for further information gathering in the BTW. Their main issue is that the sheer amount of warp power tends to burn through diviners. So they're looking at more mundane solutions at this time.
 
They have received the letter. At the moment they are exploring options for further information gathering in the BTW. Their main issue is that the sheer amount of warp power tends to burn through diviners. So they're looking at more mundane solutions at this time.
I'm surprised that they haven't considered sending the twins since they are the very best at this kind of thing. Though again may have to do with recent events. Imagine that if the whole thing with the Primarchs wasn't currently happening they may have considered asking them and even Magnus for help here for the divination parts.
 
I'm surprised that they haven't considered sending the twins since they are the very best at this kind of thing. Though again may have to do with recent events. Imagine that if the whole thing with the Primarchs wasn't currently happening they may have considered asking them and even Magnus for help here for the divination parts.

It was something they considered. The main issue though was what might happen if they were found. And they weren't able to find a way to ensure it wouldn't occur.
 
With the canon precedent of Guilliman making an alliance with the Eldar with a major reason being sheer pragmatism like both not wanting to have a tough fight against an extremely powerful people when it's not necessary and just needing allies for all the crazy shit surprised we don't see more Primarchs pointing out how stupid it is to keep fighting the Eldar. And yeah the Eldar can be huge dicks and prideful idiots at times but in their defense humanity keeps trying to genocide them and a number of times their actions are actually in self defense since the Imperium started some of those conflicts.

With how serious the BTW is including causing the deaths of psykers across the galaxy just a few months ago in-universe you'd think that Emps and Mal would be more pragmatic here. Especially since the Eldar would likely be the guys that would have the biggest chance to know what the hell is going on with the Orks at the BTW. Then again they may be pretty biased here and Emps has that soul lobotomy issue going on.
 
That's essentially the core problems.

1. We're worried about Emps being compromised and don't have a way to check him or be sure Malcs will.

2. We don't have the ability talk out these kinds of problems and come to logical unified responses because we're always dancing around each other's bugaboos and assumptions about what the others will tolerate. This leads to us being overly strict/conservative or hiding things from each other.
 
A core problem the Imperium is facing is a growing political deadlock and uncertainty in the ability to contain or resolve a host of issues plaguing its government. The Primarchs are supposed to help with that, but they have their projects and concerns. Emps is still focused on his mega-projects and keeping an eye on things, but he's trying to get something done. This leaves men like Malc and Kelbor to effectively "run" the war economy, and sadly the two sides distrust and even hate each other.

And this on top of all the other problems and needing to keep the Great Crusade going.
 
Which is ultimately the problem, we can't keep it going, we can either slow down and start spending some time fixing the core issues, or we can give up on unity and run each of the main chunks as truly independent empires who happen to be allied with each other.
 
Shouldn't they hope for strength in numbers and stay in the imperium

Otherwise how willing is cegorch to sell out the deldar to the imperium

People sadly aren't rational when faced with situations like that.

Cegorach isn't willing to do so, mainly as the Dark Eldar have changed rather considerably. And they're technically not doing anything illegal, besides being xenos.
 
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