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As far as I know yes with the mapping gating a research granted as an Omake reward
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The Lost Primarch Quest
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alright, I'm voting that we do that next then.
can blue viper and I get a third vote for Warp Mutation Mapping for our next research then? getting it means having both it and Warp Mutation (master) unlocked as a extra benifit.
It might help us get other researchs related to countering the warp-taint on the future planets we are attacking.
Alternatively give your argument for why not.
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For getting buffs to research, I would say making friends with Magnus or Malcador would be your best bet. For building a lab, I'll be adding that to the action options. Smart helpers are harder to find since a lot of this research would normally take centuries or millineia by normal people.
Also, Blue Viper is correct, getting Warp Mutation Modeling effectively gets 2 techs because of the Omake reward.
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alright, I added warp mutation modeling to the suggestion list, once again I request that people vote for this.
daemon hunter doesnt count (sorry DM, you can't vote in your own quest....you can recommend it tho and this makes it easy for actions to be voted for however)
daemon hunter doesnt count (sorry DM, you can't vote in your own quest....you can recommend it tho and this makes it easy for actions to be voted for however)
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You guys make the vote and when I get back on here again, I shall follow suit.
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I like how this vote is basically two updates out but it's already being planned for. GM approves.
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alright, thats 3 people, I'm moving the item from suggested to priority as it will likely win the actual vote now. (I am placing it at #1 and gellar fields at priority 2 )
BTW: I would remind people that this list can be anything, not just researchs...they are just the ones that have been added so far.
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To use God From Ash again, it's currently planned about two to three updates in advance. Other popular quests also tend to have that occur.
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I didn't know that. Seems rather interesting.
Ruminations on Gellar Field Mechanics
Ruminations on Geller Fields Mechanics
Kesar sat in his private quarters, taking notes in his datapad regarding some stray thoughts for the mechanics of how the Geller Field works. It required a closed system to operate on. No openings into the ship proper could exist, else the field would fail to keep the Warp out. For even the smallest warp capable ships of a kilometer long and a quarter that wide with a similar height. It's still a volume of roughly 42,087,385 cubic meters. All of it had to be filled by the unique particles that kept the rules of reality acting properly within the confines of the ship. He had initially thought that they simply created a bubble around the ship keeping it safe, requiring an area of roughly 883,573 square meters worth of these particles. However with the requirement for there to be no openings, that idea no longer made sense.
The energy requirements for creating all these particles and flooding the ship with them seemed incredible to him. Looking at the conversion between matter and energy unless these particles had virtually no mass at all, even by the standard of regular particles the energy requirements were far outside the range of even the strongest plasma reactors. Though, perhaps the distance each individual particle could cover was significantly higher than he had initially assumed. If for instance, each particle of the field, increased the strength of the effect each of the particles generated, starting at a planck length in all directions and doubling from there... it would take hmm, only 135-136 particles to cover the whole area. Though, that's probably not how they operate, as the energy draw from the Geller Field Generator was far too high for that. Hmm, instead...
Perhaps creating something akin to an inverse electric charge, that pushed against the warps own charge even though they are opposite? Hmm, if it was like that, wouldn't the particles all collapse on each other? Hmm, maybe it was something closer to an inverse of gravity, in which instead of always pulling together, it pushed apart? That would explain why a ship's field had to be filled, and the amount of it needed, though what would be the mechanism for the warp entering if a hull-breach occurred? Was it a matter of pressure? Perhaps while contained within the ship, the particles strained against each-other and when an opening in the ship occurred, those particles pushed out of the ship, leaving empty space that gets filled with warp energies, allowing Daemons to form?
Hmm, maybe? That would explain why such a thing could cause a cascade of failures... As they pushed ever further into the ship, until pushed back. But what could be the mechanism by which it worked?
No, no, best to focus on the task at hand. The energy levels required for different sized ships is proportional to its size. Though not always directly proportional. The shape of the ship seems to have an effect as well, its design seems to have an impact on the functioning of the Geller Field, possible a result of geometric effects changing the shaped fields? Or perhaps a matter of resonance with the collective consciousness of the crew of the ship, and their belief in the ships effectiveness in design? Something to look into further.
Even without a fuller understanding of the mechanics, it seems that to a degree overcharging a Geller Field Generator can further increase its effectiveness in keeping the Warp away from a ship, at least according to Psykers on board said ships. Not the most reliable measuring tool, but until I can figure out how to create a reliable measuring device for such, probably the best I can get for data regarding it.
As they continue to travel through the warp, Kesar continues working on these models, and potential tests of different ways to effect the Geller Field safely, looking for ways to understand them, as but a first step in improving them.
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Altered warned me this would happen. I am surprisingly ok with this. Alright, I like the Omake, it works well with my current theory of how gellar fields work and builds on them, so it is cannon. For this you can get one of these four options
[] Gellar Field Mathematical Modelling Completes
[] Gellar Field Engine Interaction Completes (Requires Gellar Field Mathematical Modelling to be useful though)
[] Gellar Expert - Kesar halves DCs for Gellar Field technology checks
[] Alpharius gets a gift
[] Gellar Field Mathematical Modelling Completes
[] Gellar Field Engine Interaction Completes (Requires Gellar Field Mathematical Modelling to be useful though)
[] Gellar Expert - Kesar halves DCs for Gellar Field technology checks
[] Alpharius gets a gift
I gotta admit, that omake was hard. I was trying to find data to use for it, but other than ship sizes I couldn't really figure anything out. If I had a copy of the rouge trader rpg book, I could have checked the energy levels required for different ship sizes geller fields and used that as a helpful baseline. I mean, if I knew the mass of a ship, and the energy its sublight drives took to move it, I could get a very general calculation as to the energy that the geller field uses to achieve its effect based on its relative energy cost to the engines. Then divided that by the approximate volume of said ship to get an extremely rough approximation of the amount of energy per cubic meter of ship size, get that for a few different ship sizes and gotten some really rough numbers... but I don't have any of those values to use, so had to just well... ruminate.
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YEESS....I will ponder on ways of throwing some psudo-science at this to act as fuel for you. I got several physics classes and a dozen mathz classes for some wack-o equations and symbols for usage....no gurantee that it will actually make any sense if you look at it proper however.
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Yeah, 40k is rather sparse on details which is both good and bad. My personal theory on gellar fields is they do something with gravity and exotic particles. I can to this conclusion based on pseudo-40k-science and half remembered lore.
I will say though, technobabble is the greatest. Justifications and explanations for how sci fi technology works is always fun.
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I recommend the gellar expert perk as that half-DC will apply to like 6 researchs directly and then another 4 indirect.
followed by Gellar Fields Engine Interaction (or the secret gift if your especally curious about it) as its master rather then advanced like [] Gellar Field Mathematical Modelling Completes is.
followed by Gellar Fields Engine Interaction (or the secret gift if your especally curious about it) as its master rather then advanced like [] Gellar Field Mathematical Modelling Completes is.
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Now see. This is super rough. Because I really want Geller Expert. And I'm extremely curious about that Alpharius Gift. But I had a whole sequence of ideas for the Geller Field tech-tree. And just... would it be acceptable to do Kesar ruminating on the various Geller tech levels without necessarily having previous levels unlocked? Because... I have plans for basically the entire Geller Tech Tree. Further beyond that, would additional omakes of this type have similar potential rewards? Because I kinda want to give Alpharius a gift... But I also desperately want Kesar to have Geller Expert, and if this is the only way I can get either one, I have to go with Expert.
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hm...maybe we can ask that kesar gets a perk that lets him apply his knowledge of gellar-fields on other techs occasionally? seems reasonable to say that the interactions that gellar fields work on would apply in lots of cases as thats basically any time warp+reality interact.
Then later o-makes cna just upgrade it.
-EDIT- it even kinda makes sense as "gellar fields" is probably the biggest thing that might come from good understanding of warp-tech as-is kesar's specialty. So him looking at tech in general from the perspective that gellar tech requires might make narrative sense.
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I will let you bank this reward for a later date. If you want, these can come back. Also, he can definetely ruminate without having the previous levels unlocked. If you want a different reward, just let me know and I'll tell you if that works. Future Omakes of this type will have similar potential rewards btw.
For gellar fields providing a bonus for other warp tech, that would only apply to a select few things. Such as warp engines or some very specific runes.
Edit: Let me know if that was unclear.
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Narratively and mechanically, it's more sustainable and suitable for us to get Geller (pretty sure it should be Gellar) Expert. Getting Alpharius a gift is wonderful, however, we need to make sure our people are okay and getting GE allows for us to knock out the tech-tree faster. A big necessity regarding what we're about to be tossed at and the fact that Chaos is planning a Heresy of some sort. That said, if you want to get Alpharius a gift, create an omake regarding Kesar thinking up various gifts for his brothers both suitable in managing to be useful, but also looking cool. That way you receive the benefit of both.
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Well on one side Emperor gave us shitty job and no rewards (i don't care for his opinion about us).
On other side our chances to fall to chaos skyrocket (if Emperor doesn't give us any shines ), so ... the point is either he gives us shine or we put him on the throne made by Slaanesh, damn asshole.
On other side our chances to fall to chaos skyrocket (if Emperor doesn't give us any shines ), so ... the point is either he gives us shine or we put him on the throne made by Slaanesh, damn asshole.
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Everything about this post is glorious. Honestly though, the dice have decided that this Legion will be the proto Lamenters.
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yeah...maybe we can trigger a re-roll of his thoughts on us at some point.
@Daemon Hunter if/when can we trigger a re-roll on that?\
you make a good point, o-make creation is both powerful and flexable.
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Yeah, I get that. But I wonder about the gift this omake gives him, is it related to Geller fields? If so, that could be super helpful, possibly helping to ensure he sticks to the loyalist track. Just so much I don't know...
we haven't rolled for it yet at all. There is someone who called dibs on it, for when it actually happens though.
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oooh, maybe the gifts that we give could be a crate-full of banish runes and detection runes with requests that people use them in places that deamon's or chaos psykers would want to get into. only a couple of the primarchs would be against getting a gift like this afterall and it might help make sure that none are completely caught off guard from chaos.
also, I just realized that even tho it is over-all bad that emps gave us the crap-job....it DID offically validate us as the people-to-ask in regards to dealing with chaos and daemons. When the time comes that emps makes a decision about psykers he will at least sort of pay attention to our recommendation about it. espeally if we get more bonus's and runes and stuff in regards to the warp (which we almost certainly will).
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